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Swish, I really appreciate that you addressed it.

I'm confused by this...



Are you saying there are less economic opportunities for a black person from a poor neighborhood in Baltimore than say... a poor white person in Keyser, WV or Camden, AR? Not comparing poor black to suburban white, trying to compare poor black to poor white...

Why does it seem that "poor urban" is a much greater indicator of crime than "poor rural" and that's independent of race as well... there are a lot of small towns scattered around the south that are predominantly black and poor but are still relatively safe? I don't have time to look up the numbers at the moment but I bet the 10 biggest metro areas in the US account for 20% of the population and closer to 50% of the murders... What is it about population density that seems to be an indicator? Is it the lack of that "home town feel"? Is it that there is not as much help in the city as a small town? Is it the depersonalization of living in an urban area? is it that there is more organized crime (drug trafficking, prostitution, etc) in cities and the presence of nonviolent crime breeds more violent crime?

Anecdotally, I grew up white, poor, and rural. Out of boredom at times we did things that could have gotten us into minor trouble... except the town that I grew up in didn’t have a police officer. Being so rural kept me and many of my peers from ever having run ins with the law. If we’d had had similar behaviors in an urban setting we would have likely had police intervention at some point in our youths.

I will feed you what ever i want to. Now eat up.

i would say that its easier - maybe 'more likely' is the better term - for an economically poor white person to change their class than it is for a poor black person.

obviously being poor no matter what the race is sad, but as Portland said, i'd bet money that cops in the rural poor white areas still overlook far more crimes than cops in the inner city/ghetto. discrepancies in not only the laws themselves, but enforcement is treated much different based on rural/urban communities.

economic opportunities isnt just about the opportunity itself, but the state in which a particular person even has a shot of obtaining. even poor whites have more economic mobility than blacks or latino's.

i think your point about population density is valid, with more people obviously comes more crime. but, while its a factor, its easily countered by the fact that large metro areas also dont have the murder rates that unfortunately some other metro cities have.

for example, metro seattle is 65.7% white, but only 7% black.

metro detroit is 79% black, but only 14% white.

their crime rates are also much more different. as it relates to economic opportunity, thats where and why we see the differences.

from the 70's on, detroit and the rest of the rust belt states had whats called white flight. where economic opportunity combined demographic shifts had white people fleeing urban cities for the suburbs. combine THAT with the steel mills closing down, the auto industry slowing rotting away, plus other economic factors, and you're left with minority populations with low skillsets in a city thats been all but abandoned.

well, what happens is what ALWAYS happens: people left there will create their own economic ecosystem since their institutions abandoned them.

and whats the easiest economic opportunity to create for yourself when there's no jobs, and a depressed population? drugs. and other vices.

i dont think seattle experienced anything like that.

however, seattle has a massive drug problem, specifically opiates and all those other fun drugs that unfortunately tend to be associated with white americans. and yet their still not policed as hard as inner city communities are with predominately black demographics.

i think all the other factors you named is accurate. i think race also plays a major part. i guess the big issue is which factor is the larger contributor...

i dunno the answer to that. what i DO know is that being discriminated against for your skin tone, something thats literally out of anyones control, is a big part of that.

economic opportunities can be changed, and its not all that difficult in the big picture.

racial discrimination COMBINED with the control of economic opportunities? well, we have plenty of evidence throughout our american history that says its still a big problem.

two words: population density.

So very many excuses for bad behavior. Pfft

My bud Diam would, at this point, infer that math eludes you.
He'd be right.
I'd also infer that many things non-math elude you, as well.

This most recent post of your provides ample evidence.


#umakethis2easy

Just keep on making that easy catch look hard. Pfft

Twist it anyway you want but 1 + 1 still equals 2.

I think the question of poor urban vs poor rural is something to consider.

I grew up in a poor urban area. It was tough because of all the fights, the crime, the harassment, etc.

As a former educator, I think living in poor rural area isn't as dangerous as living in a poor urban area, but the schools in poor urban areas receive way, way more funding than those in poor rural areas. Thus, I think it's easier to escape poor urban areas than it is a poor rural area. Of course, you have to be willing to work, sacrifice, and persevere to do so. But, I think education is important. Not sure how many Americans agree w/me about the importance of education.

With all of that said...........poverty sucks! I don't care where you are poor. It sucks. Being hungry. Not having many opportunities. Seeing older folks who have given up because they have been run over so many times. That's tough on a kid, you know?

The hardest thing for me was how other folks who had some money looked at me. Shoot, my clothes were always clean. My hair was washed. My nails were cleaned. My shoes were shined. But damn, the teachers knew where I lived and this was back in the day, y'all........and how they looked down their freaking noses at me and others like me. Always w/a quick reprimand of how I would turn out to be nothing. How I wasn't good enough. How they bragged about their vacations and their damn charitable work for poor people. How they oozed disdain from every pore of their body because they had to teach us poor kids. That's hard to overcome. It wears you down. Every time you make a mistake, it's like.........."See, I knew he was no good...."

Thank God that a couple of guys saw something in me. And thank God for sports.

I also want to add that the main reason I became a teacher is because I wanted to undo all the bad those nasty ass teachers heaped upon me and the kids from my neighborhood. When I was in sixth grade, I promised myself that if I ever got the chance, I would build kids up and help them grow instead of ripping them apart. I wanted to right a wrong. And I did! No one can ever take that from me.

And cops. Store clerks. Librarians. Etc. They always looked at us like we were about to commit a crime. I could elaborate, but this post is already long. I just want to say I remember feeling guilty when being followed around by a security guard or a cop and I hadn't even done a damn thing wrong. Seriously..........what the hell is up w/that? Feeling guilty for something you didn't even do. The only thing I could come up with was that I was guilty of being born into this world being poor. It's like a damn sentence.

Sorry for the emotional stuff, but I just know this.....it's dead ass wrong to treat another human being in a derogatory manner because they belong to a certain group. Maybe you guys can now understand why I despise labels so much and I don't care who is assigning them. They are wrong. And it's even worse when folks treat innocent children in such a manner.

Don't snuff out the candle before it can shine brightly!

Actually, I think the church has a stronger first amendment position than the baker. It is protected by the constitution.

Now that does not make it right, moral or just. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. And I hope that there are consequences.

minorities need to keep voting for Democrats . That always works out for them.

1st prize for dumbest post of the thread. Because nothing ever works out for minorities. Even when they protest for equality peacefully by taking a knee during the national anthem.

LOL............it worked out for him in a huge way! Hell, it's still working out for him.

How is it working out for him? Sure, he has his Nike commercial and we are still talking about him, but he is still unsigned and basically shunned by the white owners and majority white FOs of the league. You can't tell me that Kap isn't better than some of the #2 and even #3s who are currently on 53 rosters.

Research it.

I respect the guy who exercised his 1st amendment right. I don't honor those who want to silence him or who spin it into something it wasn't. And, anyone who argues that there isn't racism in the league has to be blind or completely oblivious to racism, and in particular systemic & institutionalized racism.

I respect your right to have an opinion.

Well we were talking about minorities and their plight of inequality and yet you focus on the individual and continue to ignore the inequality’s minorities face in the USA. Typical. Pfft trump era.

I support everyone's right to free speech as long as they are representing only themselves.

But when they wear the uniform of an team while exercising their personal right, they are representing that institution, their teammates, the fans, the league and the sport itself.

Even Baker has to wear a crazy uniform when making a commercial because he does not represent the team or organization when he is selling stuff.

A time and place for everything.

Kap was out of line.

You are the most hateful poster on here. For the record, I despise Trump, am married to a minority, have done more work for minorities than probably anyone on this freaking board..............and you act like I am a Trump supporter because I don't agree w/you.

You have become as hateful........and actually even more hateful...........than those you oppose. That makes you no better than them!

jc…

I've always felt that racism....at its root....is simply a product of fear and insecurity....and people that hold these beliefs have a lot of fragility within themselves. They are afraid of not being good enough, not smart enough, not attractive enough, not virtuous enough etc..etc...etc.

And so, they subscribe to these ideas that their race is superior; therefore, they themselves are superior to a whole spectrum of other people.

Its a way for some to buoy their own self-worth at the expense of other human beings that they can easily differentiate from themselves or ppl "like" them.

That's a lot of it, for sure.
I think other factors contribute, but that's a post for some other time. Perhaps some other place, as well.

I agree. Obviously, it's more complicated, but yeah.........you are right.

I don't feel like writing a long, detailed post right now......but one thing that is tied to your post is that ignorance goes hand in hand w/what you are saying. People fear the unknown. They don't understand something, so they attach a label to it. That somehow comforts them.

I find that somewhat astounding because I personally have no idea how one can be comforted by remaining ignorant on a subject, but it is indeed a reality.

I continue to think part of the reason "racism" exists is based upon the way people think about themselves (and others.) We often define ourselves by the groups we belong to. It's easy to lose track of the individual when we think this way.

If someone says I'm a black/white/Asian man, we tend to focus on the first part rather than the man part. But, what does black/white/Asian really mean? They are simple facts, but they take on a multitude of associations depending on who is interpreting such seemingly simple words.

People argue that others can't understand what it's like to be a different "race." While there is a modicum of truth to that, they overlook the commonality of being human. Emotions and events can be explained if people aren't caught up on their differences.

The whole you can't understand because you are different argument is almost an argument for racism. If there is no common ground that can be found, how are they the same?

Are experiences different? Yes, but this is true even within groups.

If people insist on the you wouldn't understand because you're different argument. How is an understanding ever supposed to be reached?

While I agree with your reasons, I also think it goes further than that. It's the fear of losing power. Demographics have changed and continue to change. As such, those who have held all of the power fear losing it. They feel if their race loses control, they will no longer have a say.

This is the falsehood the middle class and poor have been convinced of. Here's what has happened. There are 100 cookies. The rich have 98 of those cookies. So what they've managed to do is convince the middle class who have one of the two cookies left, that all of their problems revolve around the poor who only have one of the two cookies that are left. And so far it has worked for them.

Economic disparity is a big problem in tUSA. I could tell you race relations lie at the root of this problem, but it would probably be lost in the mix.

I’m trying to bring to light, a fundamental flaw in The United States of America.

Oh, you mean Capitalism? I agree with you. There are definitely more humane options to govern your society where the populace are treated with dignity rather than how much they collect while they greedily ignore others trying to survive.

SIXTH GRADERS HOLD DOWN CLASSMATE, CUT HER DREADLOCKS AT PRIVATE CHRISTIAN SCHOOL WHERE KAREN PENCE TEACHES

A group of sixth-grade boys at the private Christian school where second lady Karen Pence is a teacher have been accused of holding down a classmate and forcibly cutting off her dreadlocks because they were "nappy" and "ugly."

The student, 12-year-old Amari Allen, attends Immanuel Christian School in Fairfax County, Virginia, just outside of Washington, D.C. She was allegedly attacked at the school's Springfield campus Monday, September 23, during recess by three white male students. Allen told CBS affiliate WUSA9 that one student covered her mouth with his hands while another held her arms behind her back and another cut her dreadlocks with scissors while taunting her.

"They kept laughing and calling me names," Allen said. "They called me 'ugly,' said, 'I shouldn't have been born.' They called me 'an attention-seeker.'"

Allen was initially afraid to admit what had been done to her. She did not speak up about the matter until Wednesday, when her grandmother, Cynthia Allen, noticed that her granddaughter's hair was shorter and cut unevenly.

"It's very painful," Cynthia Allen said. "I want to see them dismissed from the school. I want to see something done."

The Allen family has filed a complaint with the Fairfax County police department and met with school officials, according to ABC affiliate WJLA-TV. The officials reportedly advised them to pray about the situation and have Amari return to school on Monday.

Tuition to attend Immanuel Christian School for sixth-grade students like Allen is $11,500 per year, according to the school's official website.

The school received attention from news outlets earlier this year when Karen Pence, the wife of Vice President Mike Pence, began working there as an art teacher. Pence had formerly worked as a teacher in Indiana for 12 years before her husband was elected vice president.

According to reporting first conducted by the Huffington Post, Immanuel Christian School refuses to admit LGBT students or hire LGBT faculty and staff. An employee application form read that potential employees were not permitted to engage in homosexual acts if they were to be hired, and that God intended that sex only occur between "a man and a woman who are married to each other."

Regarding the hair accusation, Immanuel Christian School released an official comment, which read, "We take seriously the emotional and physical well-being of all our students, and have a zero-tolerance policy for any kind of bullying or abuse. We are deeply disturbed by the allegations being made, and are in communication with the family of the alleged victim to gather information and provide whatever support we can. We have also reached out to law enforcement to ask them to conduct a thorough investigation, and further inquiries should be directed to the Fairfax County Police."

Neither Karen nor Mike Pence had released an official comment on the matter by 4 p.m. Thursday, nor had First Lady Melania Trump, whose Be Best campaign seeks to end bullying in American schools, encouraging children to "#ChooseKind."

https://www.newsweek.com/dreadlocks-cut-bullies-karen-pence-immanuel-christian-school-1461662

Lol yeah ok I hate the NFL for what they did to Kap .. yes. I hate trump and I will speak out against his crap when ever I wish, and to who ever I wish here. Defend his crap, and I’ll torch you like I do the same to others, yes. Same goes for defending the crap the NFL pulled on kap. Enjoy.

Kap is a trator POS. Not surprised you love him.

That's pretty much how you describe anyone who doesn't share your views. It sounds like you get every talking point from Trump.

What’s a trator? Lol...sorry I digress. But at least be honest. Even if you could prove kap turned government secrets over to foreign countries, it’s not why you all hate Kap.

I don't hate Kap, tell us why "you" all hate Kap!

10,000 comedians out of work and you're trying to be funny.

Kap kneels in silence for racial justice and he’s a traitor.
The great orange turd tells everyone to clear out while he talks to his mistress Putin... no harm no foul.
You are a Faux News caricature of a human.
Disgraceful.

Did I miss something? I drag this thread out of near oblivion by posting an article about kids cutting the dreadlocks of a child at the Christian school Mrs. Pence works at and the next 7 comments are about Kaepernick? WTH?

Because she didn't cut the dreadlocks and had nothing to do with it. It's pretty much a non story. Idiots are in every crowd. Even liberal crowds.

I knew the story wasn't that big a deal other than another bad look on her school, but where did all the Kap hate suddenly come from again?

Somebody brought it up as part of an example of "hate" in general..

In the grand scheme of things, the story isn't a really big deal and has nothing to do with Mrs. Pence... but it had to be traumatizing for the kid that endured it and I hope the other kids get more than a "you need to pray about this"...

Especially the liberal crowds.