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Don’t see how anybody could be by voting for and supporting this pos potus

Should I be shocked that there are a dozen folks willing to step out and proclaim their racism? How big of a deal should I make of it?

JC...

This is the reason why I don't even come to the boards... this is is just wild.

I appreciate Swish and Pit trying to lay down some knowledge and debate this topic.

Sidenote: I am amazed and sad that some of yall believe what yall typing?

jc

long freaking post. i doubt some of you will even bother to read it, but i dont want ANYBODY ever claiming that i didnt answer the questions or break this crap down.


Refs, dont delete these post (pretty please), since we're in this thread, might as well address Rocky's question (about AA's and murder rates, even though we all know what his intentions were. i figured maybe we can actually get a good discussion going (lol). worth a try, lets go.

lets start by posting some basic stats. we all know that typically when we're discussing issues on race, we're primarily talking about the big 3; black, white, latino.

US Population: 327 million
White: 60.4%, about 197.5 million
Black: 13.4%, about 43.8 million
Hispanic/latino: 18.3%, about 59.8 million

now...already we have a problem. why?

hispanics can be of any race. so we have to account for hispanics who also identify as white, which means:

Whites (including hispanic): 76.5%, about 250.1 million

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045218

^^^ why do i point this particular out?

no particular reason. i just wanted to troll the white people who always talk about their "european heritage", yet guess what, white people?

spanish was the first european language spoken in this country. so its funny watching white conservatives talk about their heritage and wanting to force people to speak english, acting like spanish isn't part of european culture yall so hilariously hold on to.

but thats for another history lesson lol.

anyways, so we have the demographic numbers. now lets get into the fun stuff: MURDER RATES!!

so, we're gonna use the FBI's numbers to keep everyone on the same page:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/201...ata-table-3.xls

grand total of 6,676 murders.

total amount of white offenders: 3196
total amount of black offenders: 3156

so, in 2016, 3499 whites died by the hands of 2854 whites.

in other words, white on white homicides is at a rate of 81%. meanwhile, 2870 blacks were killed by the hands of 2570 blacks, at a rate of 89%.

blacks killed whites that year at a rate of 15%, while whites killed blacks at a rate of 8%.

so, whites accounted for 47% of the murders, while blacks accounted for 48% of murders.

now, maybe somebody can read that chart better than i can, but its a bit difficult figuring out the numbers for hispanic/latino.

but anyway, basically the common saying that you're FAR FAR more likely to die by the hands of someone you know and the same race as you is most certainly true. thats no longer up for debate. and based on demographic, its obviously true that blacks have a larger percentage of murders.

also, its men as a whole doing far more of the killing than women. so there's that.

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So now we get into the less stat driven topics and get into the far more complex issue of WHY are the murder rates so high?

well, lets start with one thing first:

we have no idea what number of blacks are in prison for a murder they didn't commit, as we've all (hopefully) seen how many blacks have been exonerated by dna evidence for murders they didn't commit. so we have to ask ourselves how accurate are the numbers? how many blacks have already been put to death over murders they didn't commit?

and have those numbers been revised? probably not. we have to also consider that due to inherent racism and bias within the justice system, blacks are especially more likely to get convicted of a murder if the victim was white and/or a woman.

we also have to account for representation, as whites are more likely to have their own attorney, and blacks more likely to have a public defender.

even with those revisions, the numbers are still bleak. but it does matter, as it feeds into stereotypes.

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then, we need to address environments and situations.

*disclaimer* this isn't an excuse, just a reality to consider *disclaimer*
*disclaimer* this isn't an excuse, just a reality to consider *disclaimer*
*disclaimer* this isn't an excuse, just a reality to consider *disclaimer*
*disclaimer* this isn't an excuse, just a reality to consider *disclaimer*

blacks are more likely to grow up in the inner city/ghetto's than whites, which means less economic opportunities. as such, poverty plays a major roll, as drugs and poverty are rampant in those communities. and with drugs and poverty comes gangs, cartels, and mafia's.

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so for right now im trying to JUST address Rocky's murder question. topics of overall poverty and crime are all fine and well but murder is a different thing.

my own personal opinion on the murder rates is that its overblown. white on white murders is 81% and black on black is 89%. looking at that from a big picture standpoint, thats not a big difference.

looking at it from a tribalistic viewpoint? i see why the Rocky's and other stormfront narrative guys love bringing it up.

anyway, i did my best to address it. i left two big sections there for us to discuss and dissect further. i hope i get some good responses, but i doubt it.

Murders???

Who said anything about Murders???

Rocky made an entire thread that got deleted about the murders.

really dude?

The white hispanics bit hit home with a good laugh on my end... My wife has told me for twenty years that her great grandmother on her father's side was full blooded spanish living in the Laredo Texas area... one day about 2 years ago, it occured to me that she was more likely Mexican than spanish. I told and teased her that she was not in fact spanish but more likely mexican. Her dad even looked a little mexican upon reflection...

I pointed out the area she was raised and even though I acknowledged spanish colonization, the chances were much greater that she was mexican than spanish. My wife refused to believe it like Liz Warren on the indian blood. She is in no way a bigot, but she stuck to here guns on being of spanish descent.

Fast forward 6 months, she's at her brothers to see her niece who is now living in DC working for the government. The niece told her she had one of those heredity DNA test done and she was shocked to find out they are like 15% mexican! My wife's mind was blown.

I imagine there are a ton of 'white' Trump supporters that have no idea they share a heritage with the people they hate.

I see people of all colors bashing whites, blacks, browns, yellows, reds, and any other color God made people It's just sickening, and disgusting that anybody bashes another person because of the color of their skin.

"I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

It has been that way in my household for over 70 years.

A peek into the content of his character.

. trolls are out.

My character is just fine. You should look in the mirror DTchan.

Well for a teacher you don't read very well now do you. I said you condone those statements and show tolerance for trumpian posters who do spread that hate. You do, admit it. You disgust me.

NRTU....

The concept that “All men (and women) are created equal” is not that difficult to understand, but we really struggle with the concept.

Take those words to heart and life becomes a bit simpler.

Jc

So yep. My post was a waste of time. I got suckered in, yet again.

You devoted a lot of time.
You spent a lot of energy.
Your energy got sucked into the Black Hole of the Shallow and Vacuous.

I don't try around here any more.
Welcome to the 'Effed-up, Jaded Clan Of The Formerly Hopeful" club.

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I've found other addresses that actually reward talk like yours. It's why I make zero effort at this community these days.

The grass really IS greener, some times.

And yet you voted for a pos racist for the potus and probably will again. Don’t feed us that bs.

Who said anything about being shocked? You said you didn’t find it fairly significant. I got it. That statement sums up where we are. Nobody thinks these known domestic terrorist groups are fairly significant anymore around here unless it’s that anti fascist group.

All I can really say about the murder #’s in the US...is it’s out of control across the board. It’s not a racial issue it’s a gun issue. There are just too many guns on our city streets and they are too easy to get both legally and illegally. Tighten up the laws. This crap is happening under the GOP’rs watch right now so they deserve the typical backlashes. Help fix this mess.

Not everyone that says something that doesn't make sense meant it that way. Have you never mixed thoughts and words and/or combined thoughts that just end up sounding weird?

And even worse, 40 posted on that thread and even mentioned you LOL

in this manner?

absolutely not. never in my life have i confused 'belief' with 'race'.

and are you forgetting that she said this in the ACTIVE situation of denying an interracial couple permission to wed there?

and yet somehow you think thats a mix up?

this is exactly the crap im talking about. here is a clear sign of racism, and yet guys like you who claim arent racist will try anything imaginable to make an excuse for blatant racism.

at some point, you cant expect people to give you the benefit of the doubt when you keep doing this.

And she corrected herself immediately.

I just don't think she said it with any intention of being hateful.

Just my opinion. It has nothing to defending racism or making excuses. Just trying to point out possibility of a misstep.

Maybe you are right, maybe not. Maybe I just like to give people the benefit of the doubt. Especially from a video that was edited, so we didn't see start to finish the conversation.

I hope I am right, but truth is we will never know, because public opinion generated the truth more than the truth generates itself.

Man what?

Ok, let’s try this then. She absolutely said she won’t allow an interracial couple to get married there because of her Christian beliefs.

You seem to keep glossing over that. Is that or isn’t that racist? Can you point to a passage in the Bible that says people from a different race can’t get married?

So refusing to let an interracial couple wed at your venue over your Christian beliefs isn’t hateful.

That’s your stance, correct?

It’s clear cut with video evidence and we STILL got people trying to claim it isn’t racism.

I just don’t get it.

Oh, you're not referring to the "Race" usage, I'm sorry my reading comprehension sucks.

As far as not allowing interracial couples to get married, I think she's wrong, but if that is what her belief is, then it's HER belief.

Not all Christian beliefs come from direct passages in the bible, many were formed over hundreds of years ago as a means to control the culture, and sadly, many have continued to be spread and taught today.

I think she is wrong in her beliefs, but if she owns that hall and that is her belief, then she should be allowed to do business with whoever she wants.

No different than Walmart deciding not to sell ammo. Or the bakery not baking the cake.

She can do business with whatever.

It doesn’t change the fact that it’s racist as hell.

See my post above your last reply.

This is different than the baker and cake though.

I would hear the baker story because he was not refusing to sell them a cake, just not CREATING the one they wanted because that particular cake went against his beliefs.

This story does not fall into that line of thinking. They specifically denying that service and hall based on a skin color. Which is racist. Which is also against discrimination laws.

I can agree with this take.

What would make real journalism, would be research if they had allowed the hall be used for couples in the past, regardless of race.

I find it funny that people can see her actions of not letting an interracial couple to get married there is a racial thing. Then try to pretend they can't seem to draw a direct connection between her words and her actions. Astounding. How much sense does that make? Let's try it in sentence form.....

"Yeah, what she did was clearly racist but even though what she did was racist and what she said sounded racist, I don't think she meant what she said to be racist."

Bro I bet money that lady has said “Christian race” in her own home Atleast a thousand times.

I would tend to agree with you. It just doesn't sound like something someone would, "slip up and say".

That's not how it works. For Christians, the Bible is God's word and a guideline on how we are supposed to live our life. She referenced her Christians beliefs...Here is a quote from the bible.


Numbers 12:1
Then Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married; for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

So two people spoke out but nothing from Jesus or God.

I was posting that to show if she believed in "Christian beliefs" she should have seen the biblical evidence of interracial marriage.

To answer your question Pit, in the book of Numbers, God was upset , came down and cast Leprosy on Miriam for disrespecting Moses. Moses prayed and ask God for forgiveness for her.

I know that, that's why I specifically said "many were formed over hundreds of years ago as a means to control the culture, and sadly, many have continued to be spread and taught today."