DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Freddie Kitchens..what was a crowning achievement before this year?

We are asking ourselves if John Dorsey made
The right call as making Kitchens the Browns
HC.
my question is before this season,
What did Kitchens accomplish that was so great
Or what stood out the most
On his resume?
He is the 1st coach that I know of
That has not been a HC at any level before this
Year.
If a team truly wants to be a legit playoff contender for years and beyond can you
Chance it on a HC that is basically learn
This position at the highest level?

I bet razor blade sales are through the roof with all this wrist slitting after one game.

I didn't like Freddie being hired as head coach at first and until the end of the season the jury is out on his ability to do the job, but give the guy a chance to fix yesterday's issues before you hang him out to dry. smh

and here we go - 1 game and let's run Freddie out of town. You people never cease to amaze me.

Im not ready to run him out of town. that would be counter productive simply because im tired of starting over.

I said it all offseason, and i'll say it again:

"the Browns made a mistake not promoting and keeping Greg Williams as HC" Every other team in the league would have retained Williams after that stint as interim head coach with how awful we had been.

The only reason Williams wasn't kept was because of Dorsey's insecurity. He knew if he kept Williams, that Williams, because he is winning, would have a bit more say with ownership than he liked and he figured he would get pushed out like another good coach by the name of Andy Reid did in KC. I don't think Williams would have tried to push Dorsey out, but Dorsey is a very insecure man.

It was very very obvious that Greg Williams learned from his mistakes from being a head coach before with the Bills. This is why he was able to be successful here. Williams was the cog in the wheel that made things turn around here last year, not Kitchens.

Williams would have retained most of the staff here including Kitchens and Ken Zampese. Dorsey instead blew everything up because were learning a whole new O and D system with a bunch of new coaches..its going to be a long year.

A Greg Williams HC Browns yesterday doesn't commit a record of penalties like we did yesterday.

Its my hope Kitchens can grow into the position because we are stuck with him now, but he won't begin to do that until he relinquishes his play calling duties to the OC. He needs to hand the play calling over to Monken and focus being a head coach and instilling a sense of discipline, pride, and winning in the hearts of these players...not the complete unruly out of control wheels falling off nonsense we saw yesterday...

Wow.

Conjecture, conspiracy theory, wild opinion and brash rush-to-judgement. I nearly stopped after the comparison of Gregg Williams to Andy Ried, I only finished because there were still three Fritos left on my plate.

"Dorsey is a very insecure man" lmbo

Nobody realizes he was outcoached and outclassed more than himself. He'll look in the mirror and say, "Unacceptable ".

This team will buckle down now and play so.e football.

I rarely ever notice a football game in terms of “this team outcoached that team” ... at least not during the actually game. But yesterday was different; they were legit running circles around us.

Not to say Freddie is a bad coach or won’t turn out to be a good hire; but yesterday was NOT good

We are? ... speak for yourself ... I’m not ...

I’m gonna go ahead and give him two games ... maybe even a few more after that cause i’m a wild and crazy dude ....

[quote=OldColdDawg]I bet razor blade sales are through the roof with all this wrist slitting after one game.

I didn't like Freddie being hired as head coach at first and until the end of the season the jury is out on his ability to do the job, but give the guy a chance to fix yesterday's issues before you hang him out to dry. smh [/quote

I'm definitely not in the "run Freddie out of town" crowd as I think that is pretty extreme.

But I think most everything just short of that is justified.

A LOT of trust has been put in to Freddie this off season.
-when OBJ hadn't shown up to voluntary workouts, he said that was just OBJ doing what works for him (and fair enough, I don't think OBJ was any of our problem last Sunday)
-when this team was going all 'try hard' at the Colts practices, we trusted that this team was just trying to cut it's teeth
-when the starting D-Line only played one series in 4 pre-season games...
-When our complete starting O didn't play at all through 4 games of pre-season...

and all the other little things that seemed a little odd, but were looked over because people were willing to trust that he had a plan...

For the team to come out and play the way it did... with ZERO half time adjustments of consequence? I think it's totally justifiable to wonder just what the heck had they been doing the last few months.

Yes, Freddie absolutely deserves the opportunity to fix things this week. But the lack of preparedness, discipline, composure... and lack of respect for themselves as professionals didn't just happen in the pre-game walk through.

I LOVE Baker and I think he's the future, but he needs to grow up and get rid of this "chip on the shoulder" crap. This team needs to stop with the "targets on our back", "us against everyone" drivel. On Sunday, their opponents don't give a crap about who the Browns think they are.

Grow up... learn your craft, learn how to be a professional. The rest.. the W's, the accolades, the respect...will follow.

Freddie

Don't worry man. It's just message board crap.

I think last year the Pats lost a few games early and Belicheck said something to the effect...teams don't lose the Championship in game 3 of the season.

It was a bad loss. We may have lost anyway. The Titans are a solid team.

We went 1 and whatever under Hue....we can deal with 0-1 at this point.

I never once said fire Kitchens.
I simply asked what is so glowing on his resume before
He got the Browns job as HC.
Most head coaches had a measure of success at some kind
Of coaching on their proverbial ladder to head coach
Was he truly the best candidate.?

I don't know what your intentions are but asking the question after yesterday makes it seem like you don't like/want the head coach. You can see how that would happen right? If we had won yesterday would this thread have been started?

They are. Those questions would have been asked when he was hired. Not after a week 1 loss.

Just pass over his comments.

The fact that I have yet to get a precise answer
Is intriqing.

what was glowing is how he turned the offense around. Greg Williams turned the team around. However, Baker wanted his buddy boy to be the HC. GW out and FK in.

Like I said, you area little late to the dance.

My question is why question the Kitchens hire months after the fact?
We lost a game.

I agree, the game sucked. I was there and just got home after a 10 hour drive a 3 hours ago.

I think when a team loses by 30 at home nobody is immune
From any question.especially a home opener.
Only the Dolphins took a worse beatdown.
And they got Sashi 2.0 running that front office.

Every head coach the Browns have had since
Has been in over his head.
The job was too big for them.

I'm just asking what qualified FK to be HC.

Did you look at my link? The man has credentials.

Easy to lay blame, difficult to give credit. The Titans beat us. Deal with it.

I have questioned Freddie's credentials long before yesterday's game. A lot of people across the country have. Hell, I remember when posters got irritated w/me because I said I would wait to evaluate him until I see him a HC because he has never been a HC before. Phrases like "Freddie is Ready" were premature.

With that said, I am not saying he is a bad coach. He may end up being a good HC. However, his resume isn't the type of resume that typically results in getting a HC gig. I wish the guy all the luck in the world and I'll probably have to start defending him sooner rather than later.

Well see how long everyone defends him if 10+ penalty games becomes consistent this season.

I certainly hope not, but that level of undisciplined play is something I’ve never seen before, and I’m not encouraged.

I have this feeling if Kitchens doesn't get the Browns to the playoffs
This year then he's one and done
Dorsey made off season moves that had him aiming for playoffs and beyond
I'm just surprised Dorsey would roll the dice on a hire that's never
Even been a college or high school head coach.
If the Browns make the playoffs I can't see FK out coaching a Reid or Tomlin.

J/c

I’d never call for a guy’s head this early (and probably not for this entire year) ... but he did not have the same resume as other candidates I’m sure and he’s not the typical hire in the NFL.

Not saying it can’t work, but it’s not going to be easy (as we’ve seen already). My fear is that we lose the next couple and things get dicey

September 9th 2019. Mark it down.

Panic is in the DNA of this fan base.

I wanted to keep Williams as head coach, we were 5-3 and almost knocked the Ravens out of the playoffs in thier own house. We had attitude, discipline, pride and hope. We had good coaches in place who could have all probably been retained. It wasn't broken..why fix it. WHY??

Because Gregg Williams is the douchiest douche of them all?

It's not panic, we've just seen this movie before. A head coach who is soft on his players, tries to take on coaching duties and playcalling biting off more than they can chew. Fields and undisciplined penalty ridden team. Freddie Jackson anyone? Except I will say I think Hue's team played harder for him than Freddies did and really worries me. We lose to the Jets next week the wheels are really going to start to fall off. Think Gregg Willaims has this game circled on his schedule??? LoL

But he was the first winning coach this team had in how many years?

The Browns might have enough talent on this team to advance to
The playoffs in spite of FK severe inexperience as a HC.

Does him being inexperienced make him a poor choice for the job?

We don't have enough data to support either way.

How was Greg Williams a douche?

And what? Being a good interim coach and being a good long term coach is not the same thing.

Have you ever heard him speak?

Name the last good long term coach we had.

Not Gregg Williams. I believe he coaches for the Jets now as their defensive coordinator. He did such a great job with us that he got a token interview and a lateral move to the Jets.

Was he an effective coach? Or do you only grade coaches on their pressers?

J/K ..... the Colts started 1-5 last year before putting it all together to finish at 10-6, and a playoff berth, winning the WC game before losing in the divisional round.

Do effective coaches bounce from team to team every two years because they are fired? What was our defense’s ranking under the tutelage of Gregg Williams?

Back to the topic at hand:

Questioning the viability of any NFL coach after they have coached only one NFL game is ludicrous and only brought up because people are irrational when discussing a team that they love.