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I have no problem with this. I think Beto came across really good tonight (as did Pete & Cory). I have read Booker is in bed with big Pharma, which is worrisome (if true). I think if Warren won the nomination, strategically Beto could really help as he did very well in Texas. But, Booker would be good too as he understands the voices and perspectives of the black & brown communities. I think Pete is a stand up dude. He really comes across as a decent guy with a lot of knowledge and brings with him the LGBTQ & military vet lens.
The debate flowed a lot better with only 10 on stage.
It did. And I was happy to see you involved and actually admitting you like Warren. Kudos to you bro.
He might not like warren so much as he thinks she’s the biggest threat.
Cause I personally walked away from the debates thinking that Biden would get smoked in the generals against trump.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
The unfortunate reality is that into today’s country of citizens united, it’s gonna be tough to find a candidate who isn’t in bed with some questionable people.
Unfortunately that’s how the game has to be played now.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I like Bernies message. He is right about many things. I just dont agree with his methods of solving it.
I agree on all but your third sentence. What I think is, sadly, he is too old AND, more importantly, he doesn't connect with POC. I really think we need to hand that torch on and there are Gen Xers as well as Millennials amongst them.
I like Bernies message. He is right about many things. I just dont agree with his methods of solving it.
That's why I give him props for bringing these topics to the Dem platform. He made the idea medicare for all popular across the country. like a broken record everywhere he goes.
CNN constantly rails on Fox as being under the wing of the GOP. They are no better as they are clearly under the wing of the moderate DNC. CNN analysts are saying Biden WON the debate! I swear to god they want Biden as their candidate just as they wanted HRC and they will do anything to ensure it happens even if it means manipulation (people will read their praise on Biden and assume he is the frontrunner and vote blindly). Let this thing play out fairly!
i think CNN is folding to the ratings pressure now.
they have most certainly fallen off the wagon. when it comes to the big 3 (Fox, CNN, MSNBC) there are no unbiased sources.
i guess now its simply about the level of bias one is willing to put up with. CNN still isnt as biased as fox or msnbc so i gotta roll with that.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
they dont care about ratings just facts. those Mods last night were the best we've seen in a long time.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
i think CNN is folding to the ratings pressure now.
they have most certainly fallen off the wagon. when it comes to the big 3 (Fox, CNN, MSNBC) there are no unbiased sources.
i guess now its simply about the level of bias one is willing to put up with. CNN still isnt as biased as fox or msnbc so i gotta roll with that.
Dude...as I don't live in a swing state I will vote for the Green Party if the DNC and their media push this. Obviously if I were in a swing state I would vote Dem no matter what, but as it stands I have the luxury to use my vote that way and I will.
im voting for whoever is on the main ticket against trump.
except biden, especially because i set such a high standard when it comes to draft dodgers.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
im voting for whoever is on the main ticket against trump.
except biden, especially because i set such a high standard when it comes to draft dodgers.
You're in a swing state. I get that and I would do the same if I were still in Ohio. But, I am saying the same thing...of the top 5/6 I don't think Biden is a good candidate nor do I think he can win and if the DNC pushes/forces him on us as they did HRC I am voting Green.
But...what will you do as you're in Ohio if it is Biden? Ohio is much more important than Oregon (and Oregon isn't going back to Red anytime soon).
normally i would just vote biden and be done with it. but again, i railed against trump and the draft dodging, i have to keep that same energy when it comes to biden.
so im just hoping i wont even have to worry about it.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
if the gun is at my head, i guess ill vote for biden, and will fully expect the board to wreck me every chance yall get, and deservingly so.
but atleast ill show up.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
i compromised my values by getting deployed to iraq, a false war.
so this wont be new
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
anybody but him. ill even vote for klobuchar or castro if that what it takes.
but biden is.....ugh.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Warren isn't leading polls, but at debate she looks like front-runner
Former Vice President Joe Biden stood at center stage Thursday night, leading in the polls and earning the most attention from ABC’s debate moderators and his rivals alike.
But Biden acted less like the front-runner than Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), the candidate emerging as Biden’s chief rival from the progressive wing of the Democratic Party.
While many of the other candidates competed for audience attention with practiced zingers and dad jokes, Warren once again set much of the early agenda, defending her "Medicare for All" health care plan and swatting away the few attacks that came her way.
For weeks, the debate seemed to promise a much-anticipated showdown between Biden, who has led polls from the beginning of the race, and Warren, the upstart progressive who is slowly chipping away at his lead.
Tellingly, when Biden was prompted to critique the Medicare for All plan that both Warren and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) have made cornerstones of their campaigns, Biden turned to Warren first — even though Sanders is the measure’s prime sponsor in the Senate.
But Biden, in the language of the Senate, barely poked at Warren, whom he called “my distinguished friend, the senator on my left.”
Through the more than two and a half hours that followed, that was the extent of their interaction, less a throw-down than a detente.
Many of the other candidates took direct shots at Biden, including the night’s most aggressive attacks, from former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro. Castro both questioned Biden’s mental capacity and his ability to build on the Affordable Care Act.
“I’m fulfilling the legacy of Barack Obama, and you’re not,” Castro said.
“That’ll be a surprise to him,” Biden shot back.
“Come on guys,” businessman Andrew Yang sighed.
Warren, by contrast, was one of four candidates who did not attack one of her onstage rivals. And, reflecting a frustration among some other Democratic campaigns who have failed either to match Warren’s steady rise or to land a jab on her, she was one of the few who was not attacked herself, with the lone exception of Biden’s gentle poke.
Through three rounds of debates, where others have found momentary success in lobbing broadsides at their rivals on stage, Warren has not. She has emerged as the most confident in her own agenda, and the most capable of setting the agenda to which the rest of the field responds.
On Thursday, where Biden consulted his notes and corrected himself, Warren parried skepticism over Medicare for All when a rival or a moderator raised a question. Where Biden studiously obeyed the time limits, Warren barreled through the yellow and red warning signs to land her final points.
Warren still trails Biden in most state and national polls, though many of those surveys show Biden’s advantage narrowing. Where Biden played defense, the other candidates seemed unable or unwilling to take on Warren directly.
That included Sanders, who stands the most to lose to his longtime friend as they both compete for votes among the most progressive set within the Democratic electorate. Sanders routinely turned to Biden, finger waving, nearly shouting. The one time he mentioned Warren, it was to amplify her point about the political power of the gun lobby.
Biden seemed pleased with the chance to contrast himself with Sanders, who began his second bid for president as something of a front-runner himself. Biden said Sanders was misguided for thinking an employer would give employees the savings they would reap from Medicare for All.
“For a socialist, you've got a lot more confidence in corporate America than I do,” Biden quipped.
“Let us be clear, Joe, in the United States of America, we [are] spending twice as much per capita on health care as the Canadians or any other major country on earth,” Sanders said.
“This is America,” Biden responded.
“Yeah, but Americans don't want to pay twice as much as other countries,” Sanders shot back.
Three hours later, when ABC moderators said goodnight, Warren walked off stage, once again unscathed by rivals who barely attempted a shot at the woman who is acting like the front-runner.
Twitter takes down Texas GOP lawmaker's AR tweet about O'Rourke
Twitter took down a tweet from a Republican state lawmaker in Texas who wrote that his “AR is ready” for Beto O'Rourke, the presidential candidate who at Thursday night's debate said "Hell yes we're going to take your AR-15s."
Twitter told The Hill the tweet from Texas state Rep. Briscoe Cain violated its rules against making violent threats, and that it had removed the tweet on Friday morning.
“The Tweet was in violation of the Twitter Rules, which prohibit violent threats,” a Twitter spokesperson said.
Cain tweeted, “my AR is ready for you Robert Francis” after the debate.
O'Rourke's birth name is Robert Francis O'Rourke.
Cain’s tweet came in response to another post shared from O’Rourke’s account on Thursday that quoted remarks he made during the debate in Houston when he declared, "Hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15."
O’Rourke responded by calling Cain’s tweet a “death threat.”
“Clearly, you shouldn't own an AR-15—and neither should anyone else,” O’Rourke added.
Cain tweeted in response to O'Rourke, calling the Democratic presidential hopeful "a child."
In an interview with CNN after the debate, O’Rourke praised Twitter for taking down the tweet from someone “with a weapon of war threatening to use it against somebody who is talking about gun violence in this country.”
A spokesperson for O'Rourke said that his campaign reported the post to the FBI.
“Anytime you have somebody threatening to use violence against somebody in this country to resolve a political issue — or really for any reason — that’s a matter for law enforcement,” O’Rourke said.
Yea, making death threats with your gun is really gonna help push that pro 2nd amendment agenda.
Lol god these morons don’t even realize they are pushing the anti 2nd amendment movement by saying nonsense like this.
Beto is right, a perfect example of a guy who shouldn’t have a rifle. Red flag laws should apply to this dude
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
FBI- Representative Cane, Robert Francis says you threatened his life.
Cane- Wha? By calling him a child???
FBI- We believe it was when you said your AR is ready for him, sir.
Cane- Wha? It is ready for him, to pick up any time. He did say he was gonna take them away didn't he?
FBI- You didn't mean to threaten him with that AR?
Cane- Wha? Lord no! People named Briscoe don't hurt nobody!
FBI- Have a good day sir, sorry to bother you on the false accusations. Just because Beto says its a death threat doesn't make it one. We do have Due Process in this Country.
defend the wannabe school shooter all you want bro
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
OCD, check out these crazy ass conservatives and this add
lmfao, what in the war on christmas is going on here?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
The thing you guys don't understand about America is...
1- What your candidates espouse as "our" values are only "your" values.
Finally admitting you have deplorable values. 1st step.
This cracks me up.
A union can endorse anyone they want.
The problem is, they aren't the people that work there. They aren't each individual that will be voting.
You're not going to win over working people by saying, "We're taking away your choice in healthcare. You're going to take what we give you and you're going to like it!"
You're not going to win with people like Beto saying, we're going to take away your guns.
Wanting what you want is fine. It's funny how you all call realists, centrists. Some of us are more concerned with winning the election that trying to go all left stream extremist.
40 is 100% correct. Acting like a common sense approach to winning an election and making strides forward is some kind of bad thing is what will help Trump get re-elected of you're not careful.
Taking away people's guns and taking choices away from Americans is not a winning strategy.
Most people in America want everyone to have healthcare. They just don't want you to tell them or force them into what healthcare they have to have.
Most people want things like better background checks and closing some loopholes in the gun laws.
But sanity isn't a bad thing and going off the deep end won't win you the presidency.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Serious fear mongering for the sheep from the party that brought fascist nationalism to the White House! Give me socialism any day over that, Bernie or Liz Warrens brand. And burning AOC's pic is disturbing as hell, who thinks this way other than fascist?
Actually, Bernie voted against the Brady Bill five times. Once this becomes a national campaign issue, it's not going to go well.
What are you talking about? When dems take the WH in 2020, BETO will be named gun czar and will personally be out confiscating all the Trump loyalists guns! Don't you know that? That's what they'll be saying on fox for the next 12 months +.
And the centrist 'realist' have been puting corporatist dems in power long enough bro, time to switch it up. The republicans cry about dems needing to be more center to win an election because it makes it easier to take the country to the right. What you call extreme left is really just course correction at this point.
Don't you know that? That's what they'll be saying on fox for the next 12 months +.