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Phil's first draft class getting hard to find:
2005 - Cleveland Browns
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1 3 Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
2 34 Brodney Pool DB Oklahoma
3 67 Charlie Frye QB Akron - Traded
4 103 Antonio Perkins DB Oklahoma - Cut
5 139 David McMillan LB Kansas - He made the final roster right? ST?
6 176 Nick Speegle LB New Mexico - Cut
6 203 Andrew Hoffman DT Virginia - Cut
7 217 Jon Dunn T Virginia Tech -Cut
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2006 - Cleveland Browns
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1 13 Kamerion Wimbley OLB Florida State
2 34 D'Qwell Jackson ILB Maryland
3 78 Travis Wilson WR Oklahoma - Only Reason He's Not Cut is To Save Face
4 110 Leon Williams LB Miami (Fla.)
4 112 Isaac Sowells G Indiana
5 145 Jerome Harrison RB Washington State
5 152 DeMario Minter CB Georgia - Cut
6 180 Lawrence Vickers FB Colorado - A FB keeper in the 6th is about as impressive as a longsnapper keeper in the fifth
6 181 Baba Oshinowo DT Stanford -Cut
7 222 Justin Hamilton DB Virginia Tech
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2007 - Cleveland Browns
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1 3 Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
1 22 Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
2 53 Eric Wright CB Nevada-Las Vegas
5 140 Brandon McDonald DB Memphis
6 200 Melila Purcell DE Hawaii - Cut
7 213 Chase Pittman DE Louisiana State -Cut
7 234 Syndric Steptoe WR Arizona -Cut
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I believe justin hamlilton is gone too
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I never did get the real story on Hamilton ????????
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ooops, you're correct, Hamilton is not on the roster.
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The 2005 NFL draft was considered weak by many. Braylon Edwards was the only player that year who was considered to be a starter right off the bat.
This year was considered a weak draft by many , so I don't understand why people bother with these type of stat's it's one sided, and doesn't show all the factors that go into place with each and every move.
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The 2005 NFL draft was considered weak by many. Braylon Edwards was the only player that year who was considered to be a starter right off the bat.
This year was considered a weak draft by many , so I don't understand why people bother with these type of stat's it's one sided, and doesn't show all the factors that go into place with each and every move.
Draft class strength will average out and every team faces the same draft decisions. If Phil is only going to add two players per year it's going to take a while to field 22 starters - like 11 years 
Double it and call it four starters and it's still 5 1/2 years  If players are signing four year contracts that's going to be tough.
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7 out of 9 players taken on the first day have the abiltiy to be pro-bowl type players. Frye is gone and Wilson looks to be a bust. So I don't see your reason for complaining. The second day of the darft isn't exactly loaded with talent so your lucky if you manage to find a starter in it. However we did manage to get a few special players in those later rounds in Williams, Vickers and eventually Sowells and Harrison.
I don't see the reason to complain. How many guys in any round are still here from the Butch Davis era or even still in the league?
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How many guys in any round are still here from the Butch Davis era or even still in the league?
Quite a few:
4 97 Anthony Henry DB South Florida
5 141 Andra Davis LB Florida
4 122 Darnell Sanders TE Ohio State
4 111 Ben Taylor LB Virginia Tech
4 101 Kevin Bentley LB Northwestern
6 195 Antonio Garay DE Boston College
5 152 Michael Lehan DB Minnesota
5 142 Ryan Pontbriand C Rice
7 208 Adimchinobe Echemandu RB California
5 161 Amon Gordon DE Stanford
4 106 Luke McCown QB Louisiana Tech
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if you ask me, his second draft was outstanding by any measure.
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Wimbley and DQ are certainly quality players, giving up a starter in FAine to get DQ kinda offsets it from "outstanding" down to "good".
Travis Wilson is terrible and shouldn't be on our roster. He plays like a bum all preseason and then has one night that he makes some catches and makes the team - no thanks.
Leon Williams I think is great! For a fourth round pick he's gold. With a few years under his belt I think he could be a superstar.
Sowells and Harrison seem to be in the same boat - "Look how much ptential they have" and yet they never see the field in the regular season. Tough for me to say if they're any good or not - they haven't really played.
I think "outstanding" is a little generous but I'd agree it was a good class with the "potential" to be better.
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O.k so we got 5 players left on our team for a grand total of 16 players left in the league including Big Money (Raiders), Faine (Saints),Thompson, Winslow and Sean Jones left out of all of Butch's drafts and only six of those are starters and one of them is a starting long snapper.
If I were you I wouldn't be complaining. Yeah I question some of Savages descisions but not many on the first day where it counts.
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Yeah I question some of Savages descisions but not many on the first day where it counts.
Wasn't Phil brought in here because he was going to do something special with our mid round picks? If all we're measuring is 1st and 2nd round then Butch did fine too. Butch drafted:
KW2
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Faine
C Thompson
W Green -complete bust
A Davis- very bad pick
GW
QM
That's three out of four years that he drafted players that have earned starting spots in the NFL. Browns fans have an unnatural hatred of GW but the guy has been a starter for six years straight and is rarely injured.
Phil was supposed to "deepen" our draft by doing impressive things in the 3rd and 4th rounds. So far that's:
Frye -traded for nothing
Perkins - cut
Wilson - should be cut
Williams - great back up with potential to be a quality starter
Sowells - has only appeared in one game
traded pick
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Wimbley and DQ are certainly quality players, giving up a starter in FAine to get DQ kinda offsets it from "outstanding" down to "good".
Well Gee, it's easy to second guess it now given what's happened to Bentley.. Getting him made Faine expendable. Too bad that Bentley got injured.,. I thought the move was great when it took place.. so did lots of people,,
Losing faine doesn't effect this draft in the least...
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I can't say i'm completely impressed but Willimas is going to end up taking Davis' job, Harrison has alot of potential but he doesn't get many touches for what reason I don't know. I think Wilson has the potential to be a good receiver but something just seems to be wrong with the guy, he just isn't playing with any passion and he is putting the ball on the ground. Sowells could develop over time. Frye, what can I say? He got hammered because the line wasn't up to par and became gunshy. Then when the line was half way descent it didn't even matter.
The only problem with drafting in the 3rd, 4th and so on is that they need time to develop and we need talent now so all of those picks don't have the courtesy of waiting and I thik that's why we are seeing alot of these guy's getting cut. If you look at all the positions we have drafted in the 3rd and 4th rounds they are positions that we have brought in fa's for. So with guy's already on the roster and players brought in, if these draftees can't outplay what we have they just don't get a roster spot and I don't see why they should if they can't step up.
You can look at it any way you want but there is only one thing that matters. The talent on this team before Savage and the talent now.
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Wimbley and DQ are certainly quality players, giving up a starter in FAine to get DQ kinda offsets it from "outstanding" down to "good".
Well Gee, it's easy to second guess it now given what's happened to Bentley.. Getting him made Faine expendable. Too bad that Bentley got injured.,. I thought the move was great when it took place.. so did lots of people,,
Losing faine doesn't effect this draft in the least...
In the context of this thread, I think you are offbase.
Yes, Faine was expendable, but this thread is about building the TEAM through the draft. There is a net effect of getting DQ but giving up Faine in the process as it relates to the TEAM.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Also consider the talent around those mid-round selections.
On a team like Indy or NE, those mid-round selections can shine. On a team with limited talent like Cleveland, those mid-round selections don't look as good.
Hence why many say that Football is a TEAM sport, a couple really good player, or even a couple really bad players on the field can make a team look good or bad.
Take out Peyton Manning and insert Kyle Boller, how do the Colts look?
Take out LT and put in some 4th rnd hack, how does that change San Diego.
Take out Chad Johnson and TJ "Hoosyurmamma" and put in Quincy Morgan and Dennis Northcut, how does that change Cinci?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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First off you're making Crapola up to justify your agenda or opinion take your pick.
"Phil was supposed to "deepen" our draft by doing impressive things in the 3rd and 4th rounds. So far that's:"
What a LIE!!! How can you say that and the basis of my making Crapola remark. 
Phil's main purpose to bring to this franchise what was sorely missed and the number one proponent of the Browns still enboweled in Expansionism was Success with our first day picks specifically the 1st two round picks! Anything else would be bonus. But it was imperitive for this franchise to have success with the first 2 rounds!
You made up that crap about rounds 3 n 4 
So lets see what Savage has really brought us.
BE - Getting in his year 3 the year that most stud WRs start to make a name for themselves. He also fought through a serious knee injury along the way. Hard to judge his progress till we actually get an Offense that flows and there is data. But his potential is there.
Pool - just 23 as he gains his first start at the FS position. drubbed by the Lord of Flies participatants but he did make one crucial error in his cover 2 responsibilities...other than that...nothing stellar but not as grim as many who are led by the low-lite film clips of one play profess. He has nothing but upside all over him. He is the same age as most rookies!
Wimbley - Stud Pass rusher. My son who farts more football than some of you all (trust me he farts a lot) and is a diehard Cowboy fan. Laments and wishes they had Wimbley instead of Ware. The kid is a stud! Pass Rusher is known as one of the 5 keys of success for our Team! Check one off for Savage.
DQ - His whole game has to do with knowledge and instincts....learning a new defense that did not permeate much last season. But in preseason and in our first game. DQ has arrived. The kid is a stud!
Joe Thomas - just a great prospect at LT one of the rare positions in the NFL. Already as a rookie he has given us a better look than we have had before. He handled his one on one's with the Steelers pass rushers - we need better adjustments as a new OL on the whole and that includes JT with blitzes but no team blitzes as well as the Steelers. Oh and Left Tackle is also one of the 5 keys to success on our team.
Brady Quinn - just a great prospect at QB one of the rare positions in the NFL.
We should be seeing him sometime this season. But he should be our Franchise QB one can never tell but from what I saw of him so far - he looks to be the ONE.
Oh and QB is also one of the 5 keys to success on our team!
Eric Wright - just a great prospect at CB one of the rare positions in the NFL.
The most talented Cover Corner in the NFL - but has already shown that he is special. Year 3 is when Cover Corner's start to shine...this kid is special!
Oh and Cover Corner is also one of hte 5 keys to success on our team!
6 200 Melila Purcell DE Hawaii - Cut
7 213 Chase Pittman DE Louisiana State -Cut
7 234 Syndric Steptoe WR Arizona -Cut
Made up Crapola #2.
Cut, cut, cut???? Sorry last I looked all three are on our team - The practice squad is on our team. Did you realize that the Steelers have cut their 4th round 3-4 DE picks the last two season and place them on their Practice Squad?
They are still on the team not cut. It will be hard for them to make our team in the future as our Young talent mounts on this team.
So all those that succeed on this team after the first two rounds are definately welcomed additions but what makes a team successful is hitting on those first two rounds which since 99 We did not and why we were stuck in expansionism.
Also just a note the 05 draft was a very weak draft...06 n 07 were pretty good ones.
But the bonuses so far are McMillan, Leon, Sowells, Harrison, Vickers and Brandon McDonald (who btw I'm real impressed with).
our 3 Practice Squad players from this 07 draft are in development we will see how they progress and what they bring after an entire year in our strength and conditioning program.
You are blowing hot air and just doing your rendition of the Lord of the Flies.
Kill Piggy, Kill Savage, Kill Piggy, Kill Savage.
Come to me with some real facts...not made up Crapola!
I'll be waiting for your football arguments
Waterdawg...the story on Hamilton.
Healthy he probably would have made the team instead of Perry.
He sustained an injury (think it was an ankle??? but not sure) that would have made him inactive for around 4 games. We put him on the Waived injured list.
If there is no injury settlement made we can retain him on our roster. Possibly when this punter is no longer needed and Z is ready 100% it would be timely for Hamilton to rejoin us not Perry? Keep in mind we got to make room for Tucker in 3 games.
That was the deal with Hamilton...please note we are only officially carrying 3 safeties where the norm in the past was 4. So I'm not sure what that means? Does Baxter start his return as back up SS? or was that meant for Hamilton's return?
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all we need is one more of the 5 keys to sucess then  i think that bax will return as a safety. i read somewhere that rac had talked to him about that being his role. that was what he was drafted by balt. for.
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In the context of this thread, I think you are offbase
You, thinking I'm off base,,, well, isn't that a novel idea... Never would have guessed that!
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Yes, Faine was expendable, but this thread is about building the TEAM through the draft. There is a net effect of getting DQ but giving up Faine in the process as it relates to the TEAM.
Are you just making that up so you don't have to agree with me for once
The 'net effect" as you put it, was us getting a very nice LBer and having Faine be replaced by Bentley... It's not always what you get in the draft, it's the overall effect of the draft on the team. In this case, it was a sound decision...
But be revisionistic if you wish,,,, I prefer to deal with it as it is....
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I guess it's "that time of the month" for you, eh? I think you need a nap.
First to the "Liar Liar" nut-uh! You are! -GMAFB this isn't third grade.
Second, anyone knows we can even begin to consider this years draft until we see them play and a few years go by. Quinn winning a game or two doesn't make him great and losing a couple doesn't make him a bust. We'll know what we have from the 2007 draft class in 2009.
Wimbley and DQ look good and we all know it. The question is what can Williams become and will Sowells ever play?
BE and Pool are alright, but does BE look like one of the best WR's in the NFL? The guy has looked mediocre-to-invisible for significant periods of time. He's one of the reasons Frye is in Seattle.
Pool I think is overhyped. I know everyone of this board loves him but I have my concerns. I certainly didn't see him making any game changing plays last week. Hanging Phil's hat on those two picks is awfully thin.
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Cut, cut, cut???? Sorry last I looked all three are on our team - The practice squad is on our team.
Don't embarass yourself man! Do you want me to cut and paste the "cuts" off the Browns webiste?? Guess what the first step in getting to the practice squad is? It's GETTING CUT FROM THE TEAM.
They're unprotected and have a week to week contract. They can be signed by any other team at any time without compensation. That's not "on the team". GMAFB
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How many guys in any round are still here from the Butch Davis era or even still in the league?
Quite a few:
4 97 Anthony Henry DB South Florida
5 141 Andra Davis LB Florida
4 122 Darnell Sanders TE Ohio State
4 111 Ben Taylor LB Virginia Tech
4 101 Kevin Bentley LB Northwestern
6 195 Antonio Garay DE Boston College
5 152 Michael Lehan DB Minnesota
5 142 Ryan Pontbriand C Rice
7 208 Adimchinobe Echemandu RB California
5 161 Amon Gordon DE Stanford
4 106 Luke McCown QB Louisiana Tech
Now name some first day people
My point is Butch was NOT a better GM than Savage...that is a fact.....games aren't won by few "good" 3rd 4th n 5th rounders..they r won by playmakers drafted on the first day...savage has given us at least 1-2 in each draft...sure that isn't nuf to make the franchice...but u forget that he also added TONS of GREAT players in the FA....steini....Bentley(yes i kno he is down for the count), Jamal Lewis(jurry is still out on that one) just to name a few...wht about Joe J? good consistant WR....the point is...he tried to add FAs whenever he could...when he says "built through draft" he means the teams future has to be built through draft...but that doesn't mean he wont' pick up ppl frm FA if he sees fit..how can u ignore that?
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How is it being revisionistic?
Savage felt it necessary to give up a player to get a player. He could have stood pat and drafted someone else (or maybe still have gotten DQ) without giving anything up. We could have kept Faine and had some depth on the OL, thus strengthening the team.
If you have to give something up to get something in the draft then there has to be a cancellation effect. I'm not saying it's 1 for 1, but you have to consider it in the equation.
This is completely independent of anything related to Bentley. We could have kept both of them.
And btw...most of the time I disagree with you because 95% of the time you are full of crap. You must have the highest post count and the least number of substantive things to say of anyone on this board.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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How many guys in any round are still here from the Butch Davis era or even still in the league?
Quite a few:
4 97 Anthony Henry DB South Florida
5 141 Andra Davis LB Florida
4 122 Darnell Sanders TE Ohio State
4 111 Ben Taylor LB Virginia Tech
4 101 Kevin Bentley LB Northwestern
6 195 Antonio Garay DE Boston College
5 152 Michael Lehan DB Minnesota
5 142 Ryan Pontbriand C Rice
7 208 Adimchinobe Echemandu RB California
5 161 Amon Gordon DE Stanford
4 106 Luke McCown QB Louisiana Tech
HOW do you leave off Kellen Winslow Jr. and Sean Jones?
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Wimbley and DQ are certainly quality players, giving up a starter in FAine to get DQ kinda offsets it from "outstanding" down to "good".
Well Gee, it's easy to second guess it now given what's happened to Bentley.. Getting him made Faine expendable. Too bad that Bentley got injured.,. I thought the move was great when it took place.. so did lots of people,,
Losing faine doesn't effect this draft in the least...
All I'm saying is that Faine was worth something. DQ is a nice pick up and would have been a gem with our second round pick. He actually cost us Faine + our 2nd, so we paid a little extra, that's all.
You can't say "I just bought a new 2008 Ford Mustang for $15,000" and ignore that you traded in your old car (Faine) that was worth $10,000. In reality you paid more than $15k.....
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I have a question for you guys. Would Braylon still be with the team if he was a 2nd day pick instead of a 1st day? I'm not saying he is a bust but think about it. Attitude, route running, bad hands, clubhouse?
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he was listing 2nd day players
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Quite a few:
4 97 Anthony Henry DB South Florida
5 141 Andra Davis LB Florida
4 122 Darnell Sanders TE Ohio State
4 111 Ben Taylor LB Virginia Tech
4 101 Kevin Bentley LB Northwestern
6 195 Antonio Garay DE Boston College
5 152 Michael Lehan DB Minnesota
5 142 Ryan Pontbriand C Rice
7 208 Adimchinobe Echemandu RB California
5 161 Amon Gordon DE Stanford
4 106 Luke McCown QB Louisiana Tech
HOW do you leave off Kellen Winslow Jr. and Sean Jones?
I took the nature of the question to be about 4th round picks and later. I left off all 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. 
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Are you saying Butch was a better GM then Savage when it came to the draft?
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I have a question for you guys. Would Braylon still be with the team if he was a 2nd day pick instead of a 1st day? I'm not saying he is a bust but think about it. Attitude, route running, bad hands, clubhouse?
Honestly, I think there is too much untapped talent there so I don't think they would have parted ways with him.
Now Wilson, on the other hand, would be long gone had he been drafted later, IMO.
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Then you'd be bitchin' he was paying first round money for a back up Center.
That wouild've made a lot of sense!
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Are you saying Butch was a better GM then Savage when it came to the draft?
I'm saying that I wish the answer was more obvious...... Both have done pretty well with 1st and 2nd rounders, both have a few later round hits. Both presented us with teams that got beat like children.
Phil seems to be brilliant picking LB's and has done a nice job improving the OL. The whole Carthon-OC thing was a debacle.
I think/hope this team is better now than it was but I really wish I could tell by watching football on Sundays......
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We could have kept Faine and had some depth on the OL, thus strengthening the team.
Then you'd be bitchin' he was paying first round money for a back up Center.
That wouild've made a lot of sense!
Maybe, but my job isn't to build the team. It's Savage's.
In looking at building the team through the draft, you have to look at what he gave up to make those draft picks.
I think in most cases, building the team through the draft implies building on what you already have.
I don't necessarily disagree with the trading of Faine. I am simply contending you have to take his trade into consideration when evaluating that draft.
GiftHorse had a great analogy to buying a car I think said it best.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I have a question for you guys. Would Braylon still be with the team if he was a 2nd day pick instead of a 1st day? I'm not saying he is a bust but think about it. Attitude, route running, bad hands, clubhouse?
If he put up 800+ Yards and the numer of TDs he put up the past few years, Yes he would probably be around. He did have alot of hype coming out of college, remember his rookie year before he got hurt?
Then again after i think about it. Antonio Bryant didnt get much of a chance when he had over 1000 yards a few years ago. But he had a poor attitude also.
I really dont know what to think of the draft over the past few years, maybe if we compared it to other teams it would be easier to see, but just like recruiting, drafts have busts, underachievers and problems like every other player on any other sport or level.
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I have a question for you guys. Would Braylon still be with the team if he was a 2nd day pick instead of a 1st day? I'm not saying he is a bust but think about it. Attitude, route running, bad hands, clubhouse?
If he put up 800+ Yards and the numer of TDs he put up the past few years, Yes he would probably be around.
Then again after i think about it. Antonio Bryant didnt get much of a chance when he had over 1000 yards a few years ago. But he had a poor attitude also.
I'm thinking BE's attitude doesn't even come close to the head case Bryant is. There's something wrong with that dude.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Hopefully that's Nose tackle
make that 1 NT and 2 big ol' uglies to stuff the run for the DE position. then our LB'ers can wreak havoc 
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Phil Savage's lack of a impact players from his 1st draft is really hurting the Browns progress as a franchise right now.
Since you use a 3 year window for a players development,so far the Browns have netted vs little from his 1st draft class.
Braylon Edwards is very inconsistant. he's flashed from time to time.He's got everything thing you want in WR..huge size,good speed...but he looks to me he doesn't go all out every play. His route running I don't think he works to be good at. If he doesn't achieve 1,000 yards this year..there is something not right with him.
Brodney Pool,eh hasn't done anything to make any think he's a good pick.
Doesn't make alot of game changing plays from a position that demands it.
Charlie Frye....his plight here is well documented.One of Phil's worse picks.
Antonio Perkins....out of the league...Can't play CB and can't even return punts to justify being the 45th guy on a roster.
David McMillan...good for depth only..does nothing sepcial
Nick Speegle and Nick Hoffman..want fries with that?
After that draft..Phil has done fairly well,other than the Travis Wilson pick..he can't even beat out Joe Jurevious and Josh Cribbs who never played WR at Kent State.
D-Qwell Jackson is a future All-Pro and Kamerion Wimbley can be true force.he's needs to get better at playing the run....
Lawrence Vickers is a good value pick.
Thomas and Quinn will be future cornerstones of a Browns revival...
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but u forget that he also added TONS of GREAT players in the FA.
More of this team is made up of FA's than you might think. By my count 29 0f the 53 man roster are FA pick ups and that's not even counting UDFA's.
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That kind of happens when you pretty much let go of the whole team and try to replace them with people...however, if you notice we are playing more young players now on this team(mostly from draft) then ever before...that is the trend he was talking about in my opnion that we should build through the draft....
The D has almost all Draft picks cept the D line..and it sure as hell looks 10x better than the O...wouldn't u agree? (still not great but better than our O)
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He could have stood pat and drafted someone else (or maybe still have gotten DQ) without giving anything up. We could have kept Faine and had some depth on the OL, thus strengthening the team.
See this is the stuff I hate,,, Coulda shoulda woulda,,, it's history,, it is what it is and the thinking was sound,,,
We get a FA Pro Bowl level Center in Bentley,,, we no longer need Faine, but if we can't get something worth while,, we keep him,, but we DO get something worthwhile and we draft DQ. THE DECISION MAKING WAS SOUND, ,,,,,,,
YOU Can't find anything wrong with it unless you look at REVISING history to include what coulda happened instead of what did...
Deal with it, it's what it is!
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