I think the fact that players are vocalizing their feelings and lack of respect for Gregg Williams speaks volumes. We all know his past & also that Peppers didn't gel nor like how he was being used in GWs defense. I still think Peppers can be a stud, but his first two years in the league have arguably been stunted due to GW. OBJ and now Randall speaking out definitely confirms to me that we hired the right guy.
For those who are worried about all the "talk" coming from our locker room....imagine what it would be like if we also had GW as our coach!?
I think the fact that players are vocalizing their feelings and lack of respect for Gregg Williams speaks volumes. We all know his past & also that Peppers didn't gel nor like how he was being used in GWs defense. I still think Peppers can be a stud, but his first two years in the league have arguably been stunted due to GW. OBJ and now Randall speaking out definitely confirms to me that we hired the right guy.
For those who are worried about all the "talk" coming from our locker room....imagine what it would be like if we also had GW as our coach!?
I don't think it would require much imagination to think that this team would have been more disciplined last week if GW was still here.
And if OBJ is that much of a wuss, he needs to just pack it in. I think it was in his comments about 'what he heard' from other players, he even said that GW was telling them to hit him if they get the chance, to hit him hard and make it hurt' (I paraphrase). Ok? And....? That's not the same as telling your guys to play like a Steeler and eat a 15yrd penalty in order to put someone out of the game.
Hitting someone so hard they feel it, wasn't that the dude's speech in Remember the Titans? LOL
This is what OBJ is crying about. No flag, no claims by the announcers about it being even marginally dirty or unnecessary, and OBJ himself wasn't throwing a tantrum over it like you would expect if he thought it was a dirty hit.
If Randall is upset about being played out of position, ok, that's valid. That team last year may not have liked GW, but they sure as hell played like they respected him.
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
If Randall is upset about being played out of position, ok, that's valid. That team last year may not have liked GW, but they sure as hell played like they respected him.
They also respected Freddie. So, I'm good with Freddie's hire and have moved forward from last year.
If Randall is upset about being played out of position, ok, that's valid. That team last year may not have liked GW, but they sure as hell played like they respected him.
They also respected Freddie. So, I'm good with Freddie's hire and have moved forward from last year.
I think most everyone has. There were legit pros and cons to retaining either as HC. No matter who ended up being retained, I think the expectation from most fans was to see a continuation and improvement from last year so to see that kind of a performance was a real punch in the gut.
But we'll see. Hopefully that was an aberration.
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
I’m starting to agree w/this ... we were way more likable last season when we were more under the radar and humble. We are becoming obnoxious without any results
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Tom Landry - Had to no head coaching experience before becoming the head coach of the Cowboys.
Chuck Knoll - Had no head coaching before the Steelers.
John Madden - Was a head coach for one year at Allan Hancock College
Sean McVay - No head coaching experience before the Rams
Bill Cowher - No head coach experience before the Steelers
Sean Payton - No head coaching experience before the New Orleans.
I could go on. Maybe a little research doesn't hurt.
Freddie was the QB at Alabama under Gene Stallings. Freddie coached under Nick Saban, Bill Parcells, Ken Whisenhunt, Bruce Arians.
Do you believe he may have learned anything?
John Dorsey. Again not sure what you know about Dorsey? Check his resume.
Dorsey had a full year to evaluate Freddie as a coach and leader. He was moved in the position of OC. The team responded well.
There were 20 head coaching candidates which were paired down to eight. Dorsey then hired Freddie. If you believe Dorsey is qualified as a GM? Then maybe he is qualified to hire a head coach?
To somehow imply Freddie Kitchens is not qualified is basically saying the others before him who also had no previous head coaching experience were also unqualified.
That guy Bill Belichick never was a head coach before he was hired as the head coach of the Browns.
So FK = BB? Sorry but everyone on your list had alot more experience and were actually coordinators for more than 8 games before becoming HC..BB was a DC for 2 super bowl wins. I get what you're saying but FK has always been a career position coach. You're naming some of the best coaches in history, for each one of those theres atleast 10 that didn't make it...probably more
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
There is a much larger list of first time HC's who have failed. And that's just over the past few seasons.
Now I'm not saying that Freddie will fail. That's not the objective of my post.
My objective is to state that you can cherry pick anything to punctuate a point you're trying to make. That doesn't mean it's an accurate assessment of a situation.
Freddie is very early in the process. Nobody can say with any certainty how it will all play out. But for every Chuck Knoll there are at least 20 Chip Kelly's.
Or Eric Mangini's, or Bill Callahan's, or Mike Tice's, or Jim Caldwell's, or Romeo Crennel's, or Cam Cameron's, or Rod Marinelli's, or..... Well I think you get my point.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
That was my point when you made this comment on the "Freddie" thread you started not long ago.
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Freddie is not going to accept excuses. There is zero tolerance for not knowing what you are supposed to do. Mental errors (penalties, assignment mistakes, etc) are not acceptable.
Physical play. He expects the Browns to have a playing personality that emphasizes physical. We will play hard. Play smart. Be prepared. And be physical to the last play.
From what I see. The players respect Freddie and love playing for him.
The season will be here soon. But from what I have seen so far. I have full confidence in Freddie as our head coach.
bone, I agree w/you that it is much too early to write Freddie off. Only the extremists would do that. On the other hand, I think some of you gave him too much credit even though he had never won a game as a HC.
All we can do is judge him on a game-by-game basis and then make evaluations much later down the line. This team has talent, so he does not have that excuse. He isn't coaching the Dolphins. We are loaded w/talent.
Grade for Game One: F! The team was undisciplined. They lacked focus. They have been running their mouths before and after the game about things they should shut the hell up about. They also freaking quit w/a ton of time left in the game.
I hope he earns an A for game two. That would put him at a solid C and trending upward.
Freddie is the head coach. He will be the head coach at least for this year.
I don't believe it is appropriate at to pass judgement on him at this time.
I know he will be judged after each game. So be it. I will refrain. We have played enough pinball with head coaches. I want to see what he can do over this year.
There is alot of history in this game that deserves looking at regarding how coaches have started and finished their careers.
If we would have won 42-0 I would not be fitting him for a gold jacket either.
Freddie Kitchens after Titans CB doubted their integrity: ‘Nobody is going to question our heart’
Yahoo Sports Ryan Young,Yahoo Sports 20 hours ago
The Cleveland Browns struggled in their season opener last week, giving up 21 points in the fourth quarter in their 43-13 blowout loss to the Tennessee Titans at FirstEnergy Stadium.
Coach Freddie Kitchens, though, isn’t having any slander that’s directed at the team — particularly from Titans cornerback Malcolm Butler.
During that game, Butler told Browns wide receiver Jarvis Landry the team has no heart, Landry revealed in a new episode of “Building the Browns” — a series put out by the Browns each week.
“He does not know our locker room,” Kitchens said, via Cleveland.com. “I am sure some of our guys will read this and I want to be affirmative that everybody will find out what our team has, OK? Nobody is going to question our heart.
“There was nothing about heart with the way that game happened the other day. I don’t know who the hell is saying that, but they really do not know. They are not going to question our heart. If they do, they do not know what the hell they are talking about, whoever it is writing it or saying it.”
In Butler’s defense, things got bad late in Cleveland on Sunday.
The Browns entered the fourth quarter down just nine points before Marcus Mariota put together two touchdown drives for the Titans in less than five combined minutes. Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield threw two interceptions that quarter, too, one of which was returned for a touchdown to seal the deal.
And then there were the penalties. The Browns racked up 18 penalties for 182 yards on the day, the most the team has had in 68 years.
“What we have to refrain from doing right now is overreacting,’’ Kitchens said after the loss, via Cleveland.com. “It’s one game in a 16-game schedule. We’re very disappointed in the lack of discipline that we showed, the loss of composure that we showed at times.’’
At the end of the day, though, Landry isn’t taking what Butler said seriously.
He, like Kitchens and the rest of the team, are more focused on bouncing back in their Monday night matchup against the New York Jets.
“I know the guys that’s in the building, I know the guys I go to work with every day and how hard they work,” Landry said, via Cleveland.com. “It’s definitely [a dig] for somebody to say that. It definitely kind of took me by surprise for a second.
“But at the same time, opponents are willing to say anything, you’ve just got to take it for what it is. Again, in that matter, I know the guys here, I know everybody is going to play under four quarters, 0:00 on the clock and a winner is decided.’’
Freddie sounds like a dumb-ass who gets easily angered. What does he mean when he says he doesn't know who is saying that? LOL.............he already knew who said it when it was brought to his attention.
This team is a lightning rod due to our personnel and circumstances ... and our players/coach are exacerbating the situation IMO without ANY good results yet.
I wish we’d just answer things and be humble, especially given last Sunday
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Yes, I even started a thread that was titled "Did Hue Quit on His Team" or something very similar. Along w/cfrs, I was first to question Hue. I defended him later on, just like I have almost every other coach we have had. I stopped defending him after he was fired. I am questioning Freddie now, but he is the one who made the dumb ass comment. Not me. And I will probably be defending Freddie when you are calling him names.
I think obviously FK has this season to get it done. But I really believe it's playoffs or being unemployed For him. I just find it fascinating to hand a guy a coaching job At the highest level when in the past he's never left A imprint of any sorts before 2018. Let me rephrase that. A lasting imprint It's almost like if their was temporary staffing service For NFL assistants Freddie would be a model of that Maybe Freddie can sail this ship into the playoffs. He has 100x talent than Hue ever had to work with
“There was nothing about heart with the way that game happened the other day. I don’t know who the hell is saying that, but they really do not know. They are not going to question our heart. If they do, they do not know what the hell they are talking about, whoever it is writing it or saying it.”
Freddie sounds like a dumb-ass who gets easily angered. What does he mean when he says he doesn't know who is saying that? LOL.............he already knew who said it when it was brought to his attention.
He sounds like another one of our windbags.
Freddie should be angry. He should be downright embarrassed. But he starts to sound like an idiot and totally justifies the doubt about him when he acts like this team didn't lack heart.
What the hell else do you call a team who folds at the end of the 3rd quarter because they are down by a whopping, insurmountable NINE friggin points!??
And then give up 21 points in the final quarter?
I certainly don't expect any coach to publicly admit his team lacked heart, but at least take the high road and say you don't get involved with the Twitter stuff.
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
I think everyone from the waterboy to the hardest core fan has to refrain from overreacting.
The loss was disturbing and I think the mindset of the team was that they could mail it in and beat the Titans they now know for certain that isn't so.
I think Freddie needs to take control of his team and his players and refocus everyone on what needs to happen.
I also think that Freddie made a blunder when he made his impose your will statement leading into the Colt's preseason game.
I also think this team needs to understand that NFL football is all about the grind. There is so little room between winning and losing you simply have to be grinders. The teams that grinds the best win the most, understanding that imposing your will like your the school yard bully is for teams far more accomplished then the Browns are at this juncture. So for me the focus is grinding and stop committing stupid self inflicted penalties.
At the end of the day this hopefully serves the purpose of refocusing, some times a good old fashioned ass whipping can serve as a reminder that any given Sunday still applies and being focused and doing your job is far more impotant then imposing your will.
BTTB
AKA Upbeat Dawg
Can't believe I am in a group that is comprised of the best NOT just fans but people on the planet.
I don't believe it is appropriate at to pass judgement on him at this time.
I agree, but that also doesn't mean he can't or shouldn't be evaluated along the way. I think everyone is hoping that game was a fluke, but first impressions are important.
"Hey, I'm a reasonable guy. But I've just experienced some very unreasonable things." -Jack Burton
-It looks like the Harvard Boys know what they are doing after all.
All of the Browns pressers, coaches and players, are on YouTube. I would suggest watching them in addition to reading the quotes. The written word, without body language and tone, doesn't always tell the whole story. For example, Ward appeared to make a disparaging mark about Gregg and the way Gregg criticized his tackling when he was here. I myself reacted to the quote as another player running his mouth. It was actually stated in a kind of a self deprecating joking manner and completely harmless after I watched the presser. My opinion changed 180 degrees.
I'm not saying that every single time your opinion will be changed. But it's an important piece of information in forming that opinion.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
I think there’s no doubt the Titans staff talked to the Colts about the Browns ... Colts relayed our propensity to get into fights and take the bait, so the Titans had that plan in place
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Well, who did the Titans play in the preseason who the Titans would want to know about? Coaches do that all the time
Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Why would the Colts want to give a division rival 'advice'?
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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