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Gotcha. I will start copying and pasting all of the nasty comments you have made towards people so that you can see just how often you do it, yet get upset when people call you on it. Your insults and general nastiness towards Arch & WSU are good ones to begin with, but you know...it will be fairly easy to find others (inc towards me) as they occur so often.

Here was my OP in this thread:



Who did I insult?

Moving on................




A worthy pursuit, to be sure.

I could reciprocate, but I won't. I am not going to lower myself to such standards. Quote away, PDX!

Meanwhile................if anyone wants to look at the OP in this thread, go ahead and take a look and decide for yourselves who is insulting whom?

The insults are peppered throughout every thread in every section. No, please don't lower your standards...do something better....Raise them.

For somebody who often mentions "fairness" in the political section the standards you set yourself in other places on this board are actually not fair at all and read like a bully.

But, I'll let others chime in as I have made my point.

Honestly, enjoy your evening. I do mean that (I actually do).

j/c:

Here is the initial post in this thread again in case anyone wants to discuss it:

I despise extremists on both sides, but I have to admit that I have always opposed the majority who made fun of other people.

Look at this thread. Almost..if not all..of the insults have been hurled by the left. That resonates w/me and people like me. Good luck in the election, y'all.

When I was young there were Liberals.

The Liberals were always going on about spending our tax dollars on the poor and needy. Housing and Food Stamps.

I voted against them but I did respect them for caring about people. They were Peace Nicks, Make Love Not War folks.
They said things like, "You can only judge the success of a nation by what it does for it's lowest income people."

Today, you rarely hear from those Liberals as they have been crushed and replaced by the Progressives.

I see the streets full of homeless in Progressive run cities.
I hear how everyone is a victim of corporations and white people.
I see the division in our society.
I hear how you can't say this and you can't say that.
I see people who have lost their jobs, their reputations and their businesses because they didn't think, speak or vote a certain way.
I experience their hate of all things American.

This is destructive to our society, our youth, and our Nation.

Give me those old time Liberals who fought for people instead of power and destruction of anyone who disagrees with their views.

There are homeless people in every city in this nation. They are more visible in Progressive cities because we don't paint them as bad people and we offer them a variety of services. They don't feel demonized so they migrate here. Also, there are conservative cities that give their homeless one way tickets to cities like Portland, Seattle, SF so that they become "somebody else's problem".

I was back in Cleveland this summer and you are right...I didn't see tents around and about like I do here on the west coast, however, I was told there are many abandoned houses that people squat in AND the police move people on from sitting or sleeping on the streets/sidewalks. Just because they are not visible doesn't mean that they don't exist, however. It is a seriously complex problem that involves capitalism, education, the price of rent/real estate, mental health, addiction and, there are people who actually WANT to live on the streets because of the freedom of being off the grid.

See! Vers tries to create a nice little thread outlining the subject and rules and you guys ruin it. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

I disagree, on a fundamental level.

The course of this thread is the actual answer to the OP's question, if we are all aware enough to see it.



The initial question (the title of the thread, in fact) has now been asked and answered.

In Real Time.
In honest, free-flowing exchange.
By Real People.


The entire question/answer dynamic on this subject has already been settled.


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My father-in-law and I can do it, and we do it on the regular when we see each other.

He's center-right (probably somewhere around libertarian), and I'm very left. We learn from each other, and we can talk things out. We recognize we'll probably never change each others minds but we learn from each other.

It's very much like how DawgTalkers was from 2011-2015. It was a great time here to discuss these issues.

That period feels like it was 30 years ago.
I'm not blameless in the recent 'acceleration of time,' but I do still remember those threads.

We get told to "police our own" yet when the police don't police...

I'm a Democrat (I guess).

Improves

Dems: Like DC, I wish they did a better job of explaining the 'how would we pay for it' in regards to free programs and policies.

But to provide a different answer for discussion sake, Democrats are too focused on Trump. At this point, they aren't going to change anyone's mind on how they personally feel toward Trump. His supporters will likely continue to support him, and those who don't like him don't need to be told about how 'bad' he is.

Reps: Stand by what you claim your party is all about, specifically fiscal responsibility. Our deficit continues to rise and there really doesn't seem to be a difference in spending between either party.


Does Well

Dems: Dems are pretty good at reaching and appealing to the younger generations and minorities and continue to try and implement programs to assist these groups.

Reps: Reps are really good at appealing to their base supporters and know the buttons to push and talking points to hit to keep their core engaged.

Wish i would have ventured over back then ... i’d love to have actual discussions .... by the time i wandered over it had all ready gone to hell and i dove right into the muck like a dope .... shame on me!

Nice post. Thank you.

I think the exchanging of ideas is a good thing. It's one the main venues to understanding and higher level learning. I really despise all the name-calling and insults that dominate almost every thread on this forum.

If you really think about it, the two-party system isn't such a bad thing. While it's true that both parties are more similar than what most believe, their differences in ideology create a natural balance for key issues in our country. That's a good thing things don't typically lean too far in either direction.

I really didn't participate or even read much of the political threads in the time period you are mentioning. I was a supporter of Obama and the hostility directed his way upset me. Thus, I tended to not even bother reading the conversations.

I do wish we could have more civil conversations on here. I am not very knowledgeable about politics, but I like to learn. I feel I can add some insight due my experience as a teacher and my many years on the planet. But mostly, I want to learn. It's hard to learn when almost every thread is dominated by narrow-mindedness and where insults are the norm.

I believe a lot of people who are intelligent deliberately stay off this forum due to its nasty nature. I think that is a shame because we miss out on their insights. I think more alternative opinions are a great thing for discussion and have never believed in only having discussions w/people who think the way I do.

I'm really not trying to argue with you, and I think your premise is a good idea. However, I don't quite interpret things the same.

I think improving ethical standards isn't just a Republican problem.

I'm also not sure I entirely agree with your positive point on the Democratic party. While I'm sure that is what they want their constituents to believe, and it does hold some truth, at times it crosses over into "patting minorities on the head", implying they aren't inherently good enough, and saying, "There, there, let us make things easier for you." All that in the expectation that it will get them votes.

I think it is similar with the Republican party. They want their constituents to think they are all about "free market" capitalism, when their actions show it is more about protecting their tax breaks and keeping the pork/kickbacks flowing.

I don't like the two party system. I don't like (political) parties in general. Much like has come up in the race discussions, identifying with a group can at times subtly compromise individuals. People are more likely to make exceptions for and try to see the best in others in the same group as it reflects upon them. On the other, the worst is often expected of different groups. Different becomes "Opposing", which is all too often replaced with "completely opposite" in our subconscious shorthand.

I try to focus on specifics and individuals over vague generalities and buzzword proclamations. Sadly, specifics and generalities often blur when dealing with numbers, as in population studies presented in percentages. (Specifics also often become tangents, my apologies.)

I'm not sure how we fix our government. Both sides contribute to the brokenness. I'm not sure if "the sides" can fix it without shoring up/scrapping the underlying political system. Sadly, it is also not in their financial best interest to fix the system. It is working swimmingly for the politicians.

That is a really hard thing to do. Trump is the elephant in the room, yet cannot be discussed?

His strategy have always been to troll the media to incite conversation about him.

I don't have a problem w/you disagreeing. I appreciate that you did not resort to insults and tried to stay on topic.

Which one of you wasn't being fair, you or him?

So much for following your own advice. So this is your display of common decency?

It's funny how you think that if people don't kiss your ass they aren't being decent. That's some pretty low life BS right there.

That didn't come out right. I don't think either of us was being unfair. I can see how you interpreted my comment that way. I did a poor job of writing in that situation.