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I think we did run intermediate plays over the middle but the QB didn't throw the ball to those receivers.

The QB has to be able to go through his reads quickly to find the open man. If your primary WR is that outside guy and you focus on that, you may never see the open guy in the middle of the field until it's too late.

I don't believe those where the first reads tho. The first read for just about every play has been a 20 yard route downfield.

By that time, the rush is on baker and hes scrambling to find his second read. He needs to be better at this, yes.

Im talking about those intermediate plays being the first read. I know of one, the quick hitter to OBJ, and from I understand, that was an option play to begin with.

Oooops ...

Dorsey might be building for 10 years of winning, but I'm worried about our QB making it through 4 games right now.

The mix of our current scheme, QB's mindset, and o-line is not conducive to a healthy QB at the end of the season.

We need more Chubb and more quick passes in this offense for right now. Keep the QB upright so he can live long enough to grow into the offense.

I'm convinced we are going to see a different football team on Sunday.

I think 11 Personnel is a good package for our many dynamic receivers, and I am counting Callaway in that group.

However, I don't think it fits our QB and OL right now. We ran a lot of 21 last year and we got rid of all our guys who could line up at FB. We haven't been running much 12 or 13 personnel, but I did see more of them in our second game vs the Jets.

Btw----------does anyone know the name of the site that contains the information on the percentages of personnel packages? I would like to look them up for myself and not have to rely on others to provide that information for me.

Hey can someone take this video and overlay the SPanish announcer's play call from Chubb's 92 yrd TD from last year? Or at least Jimmy Donovan's?

I don’t think there’s going to be a noticeable shift toward 12 and 13 personnel without Njoku.

Whether it’s a function of design, personnel, or a combination of the two, it’s become clear that we’re going to base out of 11 personnel. And we’re likely going to have a heavy pass-run split in it.

So it becomes a matter of improving from within (Baker, the offensive line) and reducing the exposure to the aforementioned areas in the meantime.

Some possible solutions:

- More RPOs.

- Clear, defined, half-field, high-low concepts and reads. Dagger, Flood, Level, Mesh, Spacing, Spot, Switch, etc. Quick decisions to relieve the stress on the offensive line.

- Condensing the formation. Use Landry as a “crack” blocker from the slot on occasion. Also serves to expand Landry’s route tree.

- Use swing tackle McCray as a pass-blocking tight end.

- More 01 personnel. More 3x1 receiver formations.

- More pre-snap motion, but that necessitates faster huddling and signaling procedures.

- Going uptempo when catching the defense with disadvantaged personnel.

And the link to the personnel groupings:

https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/personnel-grouping-frequency.html

Still hasn’t updated for MNF.

Good points and options. Also, thank you for the link. I really like the Landry option and using more motion. We did both successfully last year.

I still think we could run more 12 and 13 packages. I'm not convinced that we need great receivers at TE when we have so many other weapons at WR and RB. I do think we need more protection because Baker holds the ball a bit too long and because our OTs are not the best.

I also wouldn't mind if we signed a FB so we could run some 21 like we did last year. Orson Charles is still available.

Regarding the Browns running so much 11 personnel....

Yep, we play the Rams.

I have been reading this thread off and on but can't swear I read every post so I apologize if this is a repeat observation.

We seemed to take a lot of snaps Monday night with the play clock at 1 or 2 seconds and I think we even had a delay of game at a time where it did not make sense to.

Are the plays getting in too slow or is Baker taking too long getting the team set? Combination of both could be possible. It just seemed to be consistently close to the end of the play clock.

That is the Monken influence.

I am not saying that is bad, but it might be best to work in to that. As of now we have a unsettled line, and a TE group that even with Njoku is the weakest unit on the team.

I can see doing that once Dorsey pays some attention to the OL and TE group.

I'm surprised we didn't have more delay of game calls. In fact, there were at least 2 snaps that I think came after '0' that weren't called.

I don't like any coach that tries to make the players fit his scheme vs. scheming to the strengths of your players.

Wouldn't play less talented players be forcing players into a scheme the doesn't work?

Now that is some funny Sh#@t. Love how the guy tried steering with his left hand, then decided to bail. Tuck and roll, grandma, tuck and roll.

I'm confused. What scheme doesn't work? It appears you are talking about last year's scheme under Freddie or am I reading it wrong?

I think this offense looked good under that scheme. Better than what we have seen before Freddie took over for Haley and better than what we have seen this year.

Sorry for my poorly worded response.

What I meant was that forcing a certain position onto the field just to play a certain personnel is not a great idea.

I think we are playing 11 personnel so much because we have/had one good tight end and no fullback. That would mean we are scheming to the strengths of our players.

Perhaps.

We chose our personnel during free agency and who we cut/kept.

I think what we are seeing has more to do w/philosophical beliefs.

With that said, I could be wrong about what suits us best. Perhaps the OL will start blocking great w/out any help from TEs, backs, and quick plays? Perhaps Baker will start reading coverages better and getting rid of the ball quicker? Perhaps we will start lighting it up and all this angst will be for nothing?

But............as of right now, I do not think we are not utilizing our personnel correctly. I could very well be wrong. Just discussing...

Then the question goes back to which players should be on the field?

My 2 cents, if I can..

One of the problems I see, and one of the major differences, is that last year we got the run game going first, and that helped a lot when Baker started.

Now we don't have a running game, and even with all the weapons, and specially an OL that was not built to protect the QB, Defenses are making Baker beat them... which is not a simple thing to do in the NFL, specially in a consistent base.

But all things in consideration, I think the O will do good, just don't ask them to carry all the weight. Balance is what we need,so if D plays well, O will do the job.

Since we don't have better OT's or TE's sitting on the bench, maybe it's not who is on the field but the scheme we're running.

This speaks to the poor game plan AND Baker’s struggles

Well, this is all good conversation, but it simply boils down to this; if Freddie isn't happy with how the offense strategy is unfolding than he needs to put his foot down as the head coach and say this isn't working and we are going to do it this way! You don't like it Monken? There is the door....

monken is the OC in title only. It’s Freddie’s offense he’s calling the plays. Poorly at that

The jets game was a perfect example. By nfl standards baker had days to throw and still couldn’t get it done. He’s been the biggest disappointment on the team easily. FK a close second

I don't think this is true at all.

It's Monken's offense. Plenty of evidence of that.

This will largely ignored by the majority of the board and they will continue to act like our OL is the major problem w/this team.

There’s no evidence of that. This looks nothing like the Tampa offense he ran. Plenty of articles that said in camp it was Freddie’s offense and actually Monken was struggling to get it installed as quick as they wanted

I think you are wrong about it's nothing like TB's offense. Actually, it looks nothing like what Freddie ran last year.

I am not excusing Freddie, because he is sticking w/this crap that doesn't fit our QB, but to say Monken has no influence is wrong.

To be honest, it looked to me like they were tweaking the scheme back to what we saw last year, as a good staff should. See what is working do more of that. See what isn’t, do less of that.

What?

I am not asking that harshly. I just don't know what you mean. Can you please expound?

Freddie said last year that he only modified Haley's offense and let the players insert plays into the offense.

He also said something along the lines that he would install his offense and run the offense he wants and that him and Monken run the same type of offensive scheme.

This appears to be FK's offense.

If that is true, this sucks and it's worse than I thought.

Indeed , that’s what I was referring to. And by all accounts I believe the scheme changes and game plan was zampese. When I say it looks nothing like TB it’s because even TB wasn’t monken. Monken has never called plays. It was koettners offense down here. I think FK should have just hire zampese as his OC . Maybe even tried to keep the whole offensive staff together

I think we saw a little bit of a shift to what worked last year Monday night. I think this week will feature much more of that. I am surprised by that report on the line. I would never had thought they were good at all.