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You two seem to agree a lot

I don't think Baker's tweet has anything to do w/this game. I do think he needs to shut up and concentrate on football, but that tweet wasn't a huge deal.

I will also say that Browns fans deserve better.

This has to be the most loyal bunch of fans on this planet.

Yet we keep getting fed a poop sandwich. Then we get our hopes up, only to get another poop sandwich.

It's maddening.

Summary, The Browns don't look like a team that's ready to win this week, to me.

Question,
set up

I was watching the SNF packers last week and the Gbay offense looked so familiar, (I hated it) I don't think it fits the afc north, I think the Browns were running the exact same O, each play after play looked like one I've seen Baker run this year with the Browns,
And what I keep feeling they need to devolve from, back to normal looking plays to have a chance in afc north divisional matchups.

I feel the trash packer offense, was evident in the late season loss the Browns had to the Ravens in 2018.
and the result was needing a TD and failing to tie late in the game.

The BRowns last week's game, same looking O, same result, Browns need a TD late to tie, and fail to get it.

The Packers on SNF, same result, the Packers needed a TD late in the game, to tie the score and fail to get it.

I guess I don't have a question except what do you think about that.

So Mayfield posted some stuff on Instagram, and now we're going to lose because of it? Saying this team lacks leadership is a joke IMO. They are playing below their talent, but leadership has nothing to do with that.

Green Bay must be lacking leadership. They threw 4 passes from the one yard line and the last was a INT. Better check Roger's Instagram to see if he posted something that took away from his play.

So glad many have knowledge of what goes on in the locker room, while never stepping foot in it. When I hear the players talk, they all see Baker as a leader, and say it often. It's wishy washy fans and the media that start the narrative.

You don't know that. There is a good chance that it might be a real issue.

Nobody knows, but I don't see how people are claiming that there is none. The team seems tight, I just think it has to take time to become consistent when dealing with so many changes.

There is also a chance that it's not an issue, till someone shows me something besides some stupid Instagram posts as proof I won't believe it's a problem.

I* find it hard to believe that Baker is focusing more on social media than football. Players talk crap on social media all over the league, thinking that would effect their play on the field is ludicrous IMO.

Browns can't cover 'cuz Baker said AB froze his feet??

Disagree, Rish. I like the +7 quite a bit. Likely throw some on the ML for the Browns as well, but I certainly took the +7.

Not one person has said such a thing. What some are suggesting is that all the questions that are being asked by the media become a distraction for the team.

I can guarantee you that almost every coach who has ever lived that was worth a damn never encouraged their players to trash other people in the media. Keep making excuses for poor behavior.

It's deeper than that.

I don't believe the focus is where it needs to be. I would be uncomfortable putting my money on this team because of that. I'm tired of hearing Baker talk and not deliver. One of the reasons I don't believe he's delivering is because he's focused on things he shouldn't be focused about.

He's lacking confidence also. His Instagram post that this whole thing off was him trying to convince himself he can still play.

I'm smart enough, I'm good enough, and doggone it, people like me.

Maybe you should read this:
https://www.brownszone.com/2019/09/25/fr...omment-asinine/

I don't care about articles.

I care about wins.

When we start getting some of those I'd be happy to read articles about them.

So, you only care about what Baker has to say when it fits your negative narrative?

Because that article is full of Baker and Freddie talking about focusing on the right things.

But by all means you, and Vers, and all the other haters can keep crying.

So why isn't he doing it then?

If you read the article it tells you.

That article is just a regurgitation of their pressers this week.

The same presser where Mayfield displayed stubbornness, a reluctant accountability, and again treated the media like crap. While not performing on the field.

What was I supposed to get out of that article again?

That his focus is fine.

Yall are hopeless. In more ways than 1.

Whoopty hell!!!!

Lose this game and become irrelevant.

I’m slanging hyperbole, and a little truth

What were they going to say when called on it?

"We're sucking right now and we don't know what to do!"

Of course not. They're saying what they're supposed to be saying. Now just show us rather than talking about it. When did talk start meaning more than actions?

No if we lose and knock out jackson for the rest of the season
we win the division

I think this is a must win (at this point of the season) This team has under performed thus far. A win against the Ravens (whom look legit) will help propel this team, and shut off a lot of negative glow...

However...I don't think much will change from the past couple weeks, even though they like to talk that they are going to fix things...I think we will struggle again.

[quote Keep making excuses for poor behavior.][/quote]

Keep searching for negativity towards him.

See it was time to grind and the Rats ended up in the grinder.

Definitely made the necessary adjustments.

To answer ... YES it was a must win

Not sure how this happened because baker was clearly not focused. After all he tweeted some crap with brown earlier in the week and there is no way he could have gotten his focus back. And dang, he has made a couple of commercials too. Fortunately our qb and our team and our coach have way more faith in themselves than some of the “fans” on this board.

Agreed D4Life, it was definitely a must win, 1-3 is never a good place to be.

I really hope today was a must win, because we matched up well, and we passed our gut check. It had nothing to do with tweeting or other stuff mentioned about BM earlier this week. Realistically, it was good enough when it counted, an maybe a wee bit more. Sometimes, that is the most you can ask for, and all you can expect. Some of this other noise is just knitting distractions. Are we better off without it? Sure. Did it impact meaningfully today. Simply no.

Get ready. More on the way!

They need to earn the faith.

They took a big step today.

This was a huge win for the Browns. I really do think it was a must-win game and the team made a big statement. We beat them pretty bad on their home field.

The season looks entirely different now than it did before the game. This game was fun to watch.

I agree.

It's like the talking head said...we are a young team that needs to gel.

Well, we did a lot of gelling today. Our future opponents might be a bit concerned.

It was easy to forget that we were in their house when we whooped them. Our fans showed up.


I don't remember what I said earlier in the week in this thread. I don't know about the whole "must win" thing so early in the season (but I think I'm just getting caught up in silly semantics).

We waxed a divisional opponent that usually embarrasses us... in their house. They had all the momentum going into the game, and we had silly instagram/twitter feuds. With us getting such a convincing win, this is such a huge win for this team. I gotta rewatch, as I was mostly following around on the radio and/or online tracker. Sounds like we came a long way in terms of scheme, execution, and chemistry. That's almost better to hear than the final score.

I think we learned we could close out a game against a good team.

This is a "won" game.

I truly hope this is a sign of better things to come and I believe it is. Go Browns.

The next 3 games are the buzzsaw.. yes this was a must win game.

Travel to the 9ers as they're getting off their bye on a monday night. If that doesn't spell B-U-Z-Z-S-A-W then I don't know what does.

Then they get the Hawks at home.

Then they get a bye...

But come back against the fricken Patriots. (They have 2 weeks to prepare) There is no reason why they shouldn't come out and play inspired ball after the bye.

The next 8 after that are all winnable games. There is no excuse not to go 7-1 through the back half of this schedule. Steelers are without Ben... Miami is trash, Bengals are trash, Broncos are a tough 0-4 team. and they get a Home against the next Division contender.

Keep an eye on how well Balt does against the NFC West as that's gonna be the deciding factor.

Winning at Baltimore is a statement game.

I still say 10-6 can win the division and I still think 11-5 is where they might land.

Yesterdays big win had to ruin a few peoples day.