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ahhhh winning cures all ills right? wrong. Love the W, but the D needs to be cured. 34 + 45 = several, alot, too many.
Especially for the upcoming Oakland game in which we try to turn the corner into a good team.
What can fix our D.
Here's my thoughts, im also very interested in you guys's thoughts.
I think...
That we need to (much like our O gameplan) plan to the strengths of our D. Kam and Peek get to the QB very well. Thats their thing. Why not set it up for them to do their job. This week I saw Peek get into the backfield every play in the 4th quarter, only to be about 2 steps behind Carson. Same move every time, same result. Willie Anderson is good though, so that can attribute. Kam was double teamed, and we never sent extra rushers to keep that from happening.
Pool has a knack for getting through the LOS when he gets sent, we could send him more. Eric Wright is a guy that can be left on an island. Leigh, might be able to, if he's in full health, if not, Daven too could if hes healthy.
Sean Jones is a good cover safety, he'd be good picking up the extra pass catcher being sent. Kam gets there well, so do Leon and Chaun. BRING EM. DQwell is good too, blitz the snot out of these teams. Especially Oaktown and their suspect OL.
I thought, what if Kam and Peek came on the same side? Oh my goodness. thatd be dynamite. I think we need to blitz more. I think we're the only team that doesnt blitz heavy on 3rd down. We dont mix it up. Theres no motion. we seem to play a preseason style offense.
I thought Romeo was a guy who made a name for his confusing defenses. Defenses that dont necessarily pound you in the mouth, but will have you shaking your head at the end of the day, thinking, man what were they doing? I've seen none of that yet.
I think that we need to rely on our corners a little more, blitz more, and mix things up. We have very little pre-snap motion and it upsets me, because I think that we could really confuse teams, and our soft coverages could work better (as much as i hate them) because opposing O's wont know where theyre sitting, or whos sitting. Can we do that please?
Outside of that, I'm not sure what we can do to improve. I think we need to just play to our strengths. our LBs.
what do you guys think....What can cure our defensive ills?
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Oakland and Baltimore will allow the defense to look better.
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This next game will be all about the Defense. And Field Position. We put on a showing of what our O can do... but now we need to tighten it down and show that our Defense are no slouches either. As I said the Offense relies heavily on LaMont Jordan. Don't get me wrong Jerry Porter is still a very very good WR... but that whole team is about pounding the ball down your throat. You make 'em throw you have either have a QB who hasn't played in a game since the beginning of last season or you have a banged up QB.
We throw heavy pressure in the way of the QB's, throw some stuff out of sync and we can create a decent amount of Turnovers. The problem would be getting into the backfield, if we can blow open and exploit the O-line of a developing Raiders team... Our defense will look like an actual defense.
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steve...WE GOT PROBLEMS...BIG PROBLEMS...ON DEFENSE!
I realize the Bengals have a great offense but giving up 45 points, over 500 total yards, nearly 400 in the air and its a great indication, WE GOT SERIOUS PROBLEMS ON DEFENSE.
I do not understand how this Browns defense can be this bad. Crennel a defensive guru, Grantham, a defensive guru, the entire defensive coaching staff intact now beginning their 3rd season of coaching this defense.
The defense could not stop the run as the Bengals averaged 6.9 yds per carry nor could the defense stop the pass giving up 7.7 yds per completion.
And, only one sack in 50 pass attempts by the Browns.
The only thing that saved this game for the Browns was the fact that as bad as the Browns defense was, the Bengals defense was worse.
It's a shame to set and watch our offense finally show some production, only to have our defense giving up more production (except pts) to the Bengal offense.
How do we "fix" the problems?....ask our defensive "gurus".
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steve...WE GOT PROBLEMS...BIG PROBLEMS...ON DEFENSE!
I can't agree more. This defense has been atrocious. If we want to win, this problem has to be fixed. We're not stopping anything!
Our line is old, and it looks that way. That has to be addressed in the offseason. I thought our secondary was solid, but they've looked bad as well. I can't put my finger on the problem.
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How do we "fix" the problems?....ask our defensive "gurus".
By showing the D-line some love in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds of the 2008 NFL Draft.
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Grantham needs to work on disguising the blitzes. They are not very good at hiding them.
Tank Johnson would help too.
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I thought, what if Kam and Peek came on the same side? Oh my goodness. thatd be dynamite.
While a neat idea, I think most QBs would see this and audible away from that side, leaving us vulnerable on the other.
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I agree completely!
R Smith and Roye WERE getting pressure on Palmer...even though that's not so much their job. I didn't expect as much pressure from them as we got, nor do I expect more in the future.
Too many times we rushed 4 against a blocking 5-6. Anytime a team tries to play mini-prevent against the Bengals they get their butts handed to them.
I know we don't want to give up the big play via the blitz, but we gave up the big play anyway...6 TD passes!
Maybe having Holly dinged forced the coaches to stay conservative...problem is, it could have cost us the game.
Now regarding our run D...those DL were not good at holding up the line...no question.
Then again, the Bengals O is darn good.
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Our D isn't "that" bad...sheesh
we replaced our Safety, and a DL...things need to "gell" a bit
look i don't care what team plays cinci, their gonan get their normal 28-35 points...its just a gimme...T.J and Chad both would be number 1 receivers on any other team in the league..those 2 are big "playmakers"...be glad we made the big plays on D when we needed it...Boddens INT for example...when the game was on the line they came through. Carson Palmer is one of the 3 "elite" Qb;s in the league...with Manning and Brady being the other two.
We backed off blitzing because the Bengal's were killing us...so we tried to rush 4 drop 7 and maybe force them down the field...little by little...when we realized our blitzes just was openign up huge lanes for TJ and Chad.
i think this D will come around
but If today is any indication of what this O can do with a QB that has a strong arm..look out...no one through Kurt Warner was anyobody..look at him...i'll take a 99 Rams type of Offense and a garbage D anyday of the week...the Rams won a Sb like that...all Offense...
The Best D is a good O..as long as chud continues to be "Aggressive" and takes those deep shots downfield...and gets the ball in the hands of our playmakers(Winslow and Edwards)...who the heck needs a good D? Honestly
we can win more games like this
I just hoping Anderson can continue to play well...he don't have to do what he did today every game, but as long as he can continue to feed Winslow and Edwards the ball, and Chud continues to take shots deep to Edwards...this O "could" potentially put up 35+ points a game....as long as Anderson continues to atleast play "average"..today he just looked like Peyton "friggin" Manning...im not expecting that, but if he can atleast play "average" this O could put up some serious points
i could careless how good our D is or how ugly we look, as long as we get the "W"..i could careless
our D isn't that bad, ..they just need some time like the O to gell a little bit
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I do not understand how this Browns defense can be this bad. Crennel a defensive guru, Grantham, a defensive guru, the entire defensive coaching staff intact now beginning their 3rd season of coaching this defense.
This wouldn't be the first time that a guru coordinator became head coach and excelled on the other side of the ball.. look at the offensive guru Brian Billick... there are others...
The defense will work itself out, right now the biggest thing we need to get going is the pass rush.
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Cinci is just one of those teams you have to outscore.
Rudi can hurt you with the run, or dump passes out of the backfield, and Chad, TJ, perry and Holt are all good fast receivers, with Carson being as accurate and poised as he is, it's easy for them to beat you either way.
basically, their offense forces you to play a little more conservative to cover all facets of their game.
Next week in Oakland, we will see a better D, since we can focus a little more toward one side of the offense and force them to beat us with the other. Much like teams knew we couldn't throw all of last year, so they stacked the box, left their corners and safety's to enjoy tea down field, while they attacked our line.
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I agree with you there. When you have receivers as good as T.J and Chad Johnson you really cant afford to send any safety or corner blitzes, Palmer would eat you alive if you did. Hell, we didnt send any blitzes yesterday and he still tore us up. I expect to see a much improved D next week.
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I thought about that. What would be nice, is if we sent the corner in on that opposite side, and let Leon and DQwell sit on that far side too. They could audible right into a strength.
I see this our O can outscore talk, and thats good and all, but I'd like to see our defense win us some games. Thats what Browns football is about sorta, its the smashmouth football, where is that from us.
Look at what Pittsburgh has done this year. To us and Buffalo. If you watched them against Buffalo. They blitzed 6 for alot of the early parts, and didnt get to JP that much, so what did LeBeau do? send 7 and 8. I love that.
I think with our personnel thats things we can do. I cant understand why we arent doing that. I mean, Kam, Peek, Chaun, Leon, Qwell, Sean, Brodney. These guys can all get to the QB very well. Yet we drop them all into coverage almost every play (cept Peek, who came off the left side ALL day and ran 2 steps behind Carson ALL day because willie anderson did the same thing cuz so did Peek).
It just a little unnerving that pass rushing could be a strength of ours, but we dont do it. It could mask our deficiencies in pass coverage because we'll be forcing bad throws.
I'm just really bored/tired of the preseason D all year.
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Romeo's System is not like Lebeau's
Romeo's 3-4 replies on "patience"
stunting the DL occasionally to create pressure, and a few LB blitzes thrown in here and there. but other wise...our D looks "Exactly" like the New england Patriots...straight blueprint
the Pats get pressue with 4-5 guys usually..we usually rush 4-5..the Steelers and Begals have very good OL....the Steelers do sends 7-8...and Manning and Brady has made them pay for it dearly in the NFL playoffs....
The Steelers are the same old ugly hag.....
They look good in the regular season, gamble and blitz all season long, say they are oh so good, then when they go against an "Elite" Qb like Manning, Brady, ect in the playoffs, their weak secondary gets exposed because them risking it all with their blitzs and they get toasted hard
Troy getting burnt for a 90 yard TD by marvin Harrison on National TV one night proves my point
Not to mention the whoppings Tom Brady has put on them...he seriosuly makes them pay for their blitzes
Romeo and Bellichik's style is very different from the Steelers, it relies on flooding the passing lanes, patience, cover 2 with a blitz about 10-12 % of the time to change things up
the Steelers blitz about 40-50% of the time..and they will pay the piper for it soon enough
Don't be fooled by the Steelers...their not as good as they think they are...the Pats will wax them hard, Seattle will beat them, heck San Fran has a shot this week..better than average shot i would say. plus they will lose 1 to Baltimore for sure...not to mention Cincy..
the Steelers D does not match up very well with Cincy's O at all...i mean at all...Palmer will get a lead on them early and force the steelers to abadon Parker, and Ben will throw his 3 picks and Cinci will bury the Stoolers
the Stoolers are in for a big dissapointment this year, they are pretenders...,not contenders...
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Our big problem yesterday was that our offence kept scoring too fast.  Seriously: no exuses for 45 points, but our 'D' for whatever reason does not match up well with Bengals' weaponry. They shut down Wimbley and we got no rush, but CP got rid of the ball quickly and their WRs kept beating us. I do love blitzing esp. with safeties, just not sure if Palmer is the QB we should blitz too often.
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Younger more talented D-lineman, and more experience from our DB's.
Short and sweet, but that sums it up pretty well.
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The only fix I see is the DL. Look at what happened to the offense now that we have a legitimate line. The same thing will happen once our young guys step up, or we get youth in the offseason. Probably going to be a combination of both, some have said Shaun Smith looks good at the Nose. Our backup ends show some signs of promise, hopefully they continue to get better. But each and every play starts at the LOS, how well you control that determines what the rest of the team looks like.
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Grantham needs to work on disguising the blitzes. They are not very good at hiding them.
Tank Johnson would help too.
I noticed they dont do a good job diguising the blitzes. Pitsburgh has always been good at doing this. You would think Romeo would have some input.
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After watching the 2 great defenses play (Ravens and Steelers) I noticed they had a few things and more in common, which we are lacking.....for now.
1) Dominate and driving type of motivator at LB.(Ray Lewis; James Farrior)
2) Safety type with same qualities as above. (Ed Reed, Troy Pomalamu)
3) Nose tackle (Casey Hampton and Hagata)
I know we have potentional in Pool/Jones at safties and Wimbley/Jackson at linebacker, but, they're young and we can only hope as they grow with experience and wisdom they will become the great leaders a team needs to be champions. JMHO
Also and no slight to our D coordinator; Ravens & Steelers have great coordinators in Dick Lebeau and Rex Ryan (following in his father's foot steps).
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The Browns have to upgrade every D-Line spot, starters and depth... They made imprvements this off season but much more work is needed... The guys we have now are better than years past, but they are not occuping enough and penetrating consistantly... They did get better pocket push and pressure this week... The FO and CS knows this like the back of their hands...
The front seven is below average... We have a couple of young LB's that can play... The starting quality and depth @ LB needs upgraded too... We need two more high quality LB staters and a couple of the LB's on the roster now that are seeing significant playing time would be good depth... Still not enough tackles made @ or behind the LOS by our LB's... The LB's and D-Line men are missing too many tackles inside the 0 guards and in cut back lanes...
Until the Browns can stop the run they will continue to be an under 500 team... Let alone contend to make the playoffs...
I like the quality of the youth movement in the secondary... They just need more time and experience... IMO, we need to upgrade the qualtiy and depth @ safety as well...
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Well I agree and one more time..when Davis becomes a backup it means we have a solid attacking MLB who doesn't take bad angles and plugs holes.. Anyone notice him yesterday? One play stood out and I SAID THIS on Eo's thread.. He made the defensive call at the LOS..shot through the gap... had RJ nailed for a 6 yard loss BUT HE TOOK A BAD ANGLE and tried to arm tackle Johnson who got away.. 
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The front seven is below average... We have a couple of young LB's that can play... The starting quality and depth @ LB needs upgraded too... We need two more high quality LB staters and a couple of the LB's on the roster now that are seeing significant playing time would be good depth... Still not enough tackles made @ or behind the LOS by our LB's... The LB's and D-Line men are missing too many tackles inside the 0 guards and in cut back lanes...
I don't know about this. i think our starting backers of Davis, Kam Wim, DQ, and Peek are all players that can possibly contend for pro bowl honors. And also, LB is one of the DEEPEST positions we have; with Leon Williams, Chaun Thompson, David McMillan, and Matt Stewart(though he's injured) serving as back-ups and McGinest working his way back from injury.
Bottomline--this is one of the areas where we are SET!!! We've got the guys, and the back-ups.
Even at CB, we are starting to look somewhat respectable--with one savvy veteran, a highly regarded, starting, rookie prospect. And some decent depth with Kenny Wright, Davin Holly, and our other rook Macdonald. Still though, some more depth here would be nice.
At the safety positions we are little thin, and a little inexperienced. With Pool starting his first season at FS--he is bound to get burnt on some plays; but his athleticism suggests that this guy has a lot of upside, and as he gains some gametime experience he will become a lot better. Sean Jones showed us last year that he is more than capable to start at SS. But as for Back-ups, we've only Mike Adams, and Gary Baxter, who we don't really know what to expect from. So some more depth here would be nice.
That leaves the D-line. Which is our biggest area of need. We are getting really old on our line and all we've got waiting in the wings are a situational pass-rusher in Simon Fraser. And a two-gap NT prospect who we got out of Cincy--Shaun Smith. But thats about it; and with Roye and Washington get too the end of their careers--we are pretty desperate for some young guys who can play for the bulk of the downs.
So, on D we need some first day talent on the D-Line, and some depth at D-Line, safety and cornerback. At linebacker--we are good.
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I agree, but I think we're closer than you think. IF Pool does a Jones and arrives this year, we're set in the secondary as soon as Eric Wright gets a little seasoning to let him step up his game a bit. He's been getting toasted well so far, hopefully he seasons before he's burnt  The DLine... we need one IMPACT guy there. So far, The Smiths have been doing decently. Add that big time impact guy that is capable of stuffing the run as well as penetrating on passing down and things will get interesting in a hurry. LBer - We need a premier ILB to step ahead of Davis and anchor this thing down. We're not there, but we're damn close.
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I'm now of the opinion that Andra Davis is barely average as an NFL linebacker. I've seen him miss enough tackles.
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I think that he only gets the nod over Leon Williams is because he has more "experience."
But I would consider him to be an average MLB, and he definitely has some leadership qualities for this young LB core.
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With our DL old and relatively bad...Why arent Melila Purcell and Chase Pittman on the roster? These are DL guys we could be giving valuable experience.
Those were a couple moves I wish we wouldnt have made, I'm not sure who we could cut from the squad, but that would be nice. We could add one of them (preferably Purcell) when we ditch Ernster being that we cut Jerame Perry to get him. Or did we replace that roster spot yet? if so, who with, because I'd like to see us add one of our rook DLers there. Get them some minutes. See what we have.
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Well, the first thing we need to do is relax a little.. that was a Hell of an offense we played yesterday,,, one of the best we will face all year to be honest. so if your gonna give up points to someone, make it someone good.. The Bengals are good.
Second thing is this, I believe that Phil and the team know they still need some better talent on the Dline. We also have a rookie starting at CB on one side and a gimp (who played well) on the other. That coupled with an inexperienced Safety in Pool.
So, lacking a Line stud, and having one Rookie and one first time starter in the secondary says that maybe we need to let them learn...
I guess what I'm saying is stay the course.. actually not much we could do about it at this point anyway...
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Knight I like youre read. My question I guess, is if our D is the exact same as the Patriots. Why have they given up 28 to our 79. I know theyre more talented, way more talented but, 51 points better? I dunno about that, even with our lack of experience.
What are they doing differently than us to be so much better? I know we played Cincy and Pittsburgh on half a field, but they played a good Chargers D, and dominated them completely. the Jets arent that good, but im more concerned about the Chargers
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We're not there, but we're damn close.
But close to who and what Purple? If we use Ravens D as example and why not.......their in our division and we have to beat them.
D/L: Ngata and Trevor Price. Price can penetrate & Ngata can plug.
ILB: Ray Lewis & Bart Scott - Toughness, Leadership.
OLB: Terrell Suggs & Jarrett Johnson w/ young Dan Cody - Speed, technique and smarts.
Safeties: Ed Reed & Dawan Landry - Reed can do it all and Landry will be a great one in time.
Corners: Chris McAllistar & Samari Rolle. Steady and reliable. Don't make too many mistakes in judgment.
Now, grant you Baltimore D is rated maybe the best in the league and if not then near it. I can't wait to see the Steelers and Ravens go at it this year. I would say Big Ben would make the difference if I had to choose between the two.
No, IMHO, I think we still have a few drafts to match up with these two teams but, at least we have a captain to steer and keep the ship on course, in Phil Savage. As someone once stated if you look at winning teams in most sports....it's that they are STRONG/GREAT up the middle and both these two teams meet that criteria 100%.
I hope Andra Davis will start to elevate his play, because right now after all his playing experience he IMHO is underachieving and needs to step it up a notch or two. 
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Our D isn't "that" bad...sheesh
we replaced our Safety, and a DL...things need to "gell" a bit
look i don't care what team plays cinci, their gonan get their normal 28-35 points...its just a gimme...T.J and Chad both would be number 1 receivers on any other team in the league..those 2 are big "playmakers"...be glad we made the big plays on D when we needed it...Boddens INT for example...when the game was on the line they came through. Carson Palmer is one of the 3 "elite" Qb;s in the league...with Manning and Brady being the other two.
We backed off blitzing because the Bengal's were killing us...so we tried to rush 4 drop 7 and maybe force them down the field...little by little...when we realized our blitzes just was openign up huge lanes for TJ and Chad.
i think this D will come around
but If today is any indication of what this O can do with a QB that has a strong arm..look out...no one through Kurt Warner was anyobody..look at him...i'll take a 99 Rams type of Offense and a garbage D anyday of the week...the Rams won a Sb like that...all Offense...
The Best D is a good O..as long as chud continues to be "Aggressive" and takes those deep shots downfield...and gets the ball in the hands of our playmakers(Winslow and Edwards)...who the heck needs a good D? Honestly
we can win more games like this
I just hoping Anderson can continue to play well...he don't have to do what he did today every game, but as long as he can continue to feed Winslow and Edwards the ball, and Chud continues to take shots deep to Edwards...this O "could" potentially put up 35+ points a game....as long as Anderson continues to atleast play "average"..today he just looked like Peyton "friggin" Manning...im not expecting that, but if he can atleast play "average" this O could put up some serious points
i could careless how good our D is or how ugly we look, as long as we get the "W"..i could careless
our D isn't that bad, ..they just need some time like the O to gell a little bit
I agree. Give them some time to iron out their deficiencies (hopefully before NE). I see the browns being like Indy was 2 years ago where the team has to outscore the other opponent to win. We do have the offensive talent to outscore opponents. There was proof Sunday.
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look at your list again and I would say that we are just as close as I said to that very list.
Ngata & Price... well, I say The Smiths and <insert IMPACT DL here> .. I think that matches up well
Lewis & Scott... I say a Premier ILB and then we have D'Qwell & Leon Williams... I call that matches up well
Suggs/Johnson meet Wimbley/Peek
Reed & Landry - This goes back to IF Pool arrives like Jones did last year, then we're set
McAllister/Rolle - I'm perfectly happy with Bodden and a seasoned Eric Wright.
I think we're VERY close and we're Young and on the Upswing, they..while currently better, are old and sliding.
Browns is the Browns
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That's what I was trying to say.. we have a guy that's hurtin at one CB, one that's a rookie, a safety that hasn't started before and a Dline where 2 out of 3 are approaching the point where they are more suited for rockin chairs...
Phil is gonna have to do something about that next year.. what, I don't know, but something.. FA, Draft,, whatever it takes to fix that DLine. (does anyone remember saying the same thing about the Oline last year and look at it now)
If Phil can find a way to address the Dline, then I think the Secondary should come along fine with what we have.
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Pryce is now out for 3 weeks according to another thread so, he probably won't be available come Sept. 30th game and then we shall see just how close we are to playing with one of the best defenses in the NFL. I want to be a optimistic as a lot us here on the board but, I just know we are not that close and have some ways to go to match up with the Ravens in D.
We'll just have to wait and see come Sept. 30th. JMHO
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You hit the nail on the head. There are two different schools of thought on the 3-4 really. Marty and people who have coached under him tend to be VERY aggressive in their calls, While Parcells/Belichick tend to be more patient...and get pressure with 4 or 5. While allowing more in coverage to make the plays.
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I agree with that too.
We also don't seem to be very good at disguising who is going to pressure the qb.
Seems like half the time we put one of our defenders down as a 4th lineman.
If we are only going to rush 4....the normal amount, we have to do a better job of confusing the line just who the 4th player is going to be.
And to add to that comment.....in most cases they have to be looking towards Wimbly as the 4th.
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yea, i wish we'd utilize the delayed blitz. I love watching teams do that, and I know NE does it. It'd be a nice way to disguise that 4th rusher, or that 5th
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I thought, what if Kam and Peek came on the same side? Oh my goodness. thatd be dynamite.
The Steelers use a simple technique...overload one side so there are more rushers than blockers wait untill the T is engaged and come around him or go inside to confuse the Oline so they don't know whether to block a zone or a man.
We had a very good rush with Jamir Miller and McKenzie DE and got 52 sacks that year 2001...we have since only had 30 or less. A speedy DE or LB can make things work but you must have a push from the middle to prevent the QB from stepping up. Another thing is to play the ball and knock the pass down at the line...that is almost as good. We really don't need to get the QB every time just make him run which reduces the accuracy.
McKnown didn't look very good last Sunday. We should be able to do much better without so many tall WRs to cover.
What happened to Hamilton did we drop him? He seemed to be a very good safety.
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OK...  If Pool continues to improve I'm with ya... I hope and think he will... My concern right now is the depth behind Jones and Pool... If either one goes down... Adams is serviceable/adequate... But a serviceable/adequate safety is not a good thing in the middle of the field or in the Browns or any D... Tackling, decision making and being in the right position are concerns for the secondary... They are improving... Baxter might be the safety wild card if he can get back on the field, stay healthy and coverts well as a safety... IMO this a reach... CB's... I like EW... ALOT... Needs some time and exposure, playing well for a very young rookie... LB is good when healthy but when is he ever healthy? KW & B-Mc are good quality veteran and youth depth. Perry and holly need upgraded. LB's... Are the key to having a successful 3-4 D... IMO the Browns are two solid to very good LB's away from where they need to be... KW & DJ are playing well... AD should be the 5th LB in the rotation, IMO... I'm not sure he would start on many teams around the league... Maybe Williams is the guy for the inside... Maybe not... Time will tell... I'd like to see KG get some more PT... He is still catching up coming over from KC... Thompson is one dimensional and lousy in coverage, he gets caught in no mans land far to often. I like CT's ST effort and production. Wil-Mc & Stewart are heading south... David Mc is a waste of a roster spot...  In the 3-4, IMO, you must have 3 studs and two solid guys competing for the other spot and depth... The other two should be for ST's and depth... This is not the current state of the Browns LB core... D-Line needs two more solid starter quality guys ASAP. Period. RS is the one real starter on the roster... OR & SS are guys who should rotate in, or be the 4th and 5th guys... OR may well be done after this year... TW is done after this year and Kelley and Fraser should be battling for the final D-Line spot on the roster... I realize that PS and crew can only fix so much every year... I think we are a ways away from damn close... We shall see... THX 4 rappin'
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Grantham needs to work on disguising the blitzes. They are not very good at hiding them.
Tank Johnson would help too.
Wasn't Johnson just signed by someone? I thought i saw it on a highlight on ESPN somewhere....maybe not another story or somthing.
Our Defensive Line is defintly a problem we all know we need to address in FA and the Draft next offseason.
Too tell you the truth i don't think our secondary is as bad as it looks, we just need to bring our linebackers into play putting pressure on the QB, giving the WRs less time to get open away from our Secondary. You might say that will leave our corners valnurable...but i think if we can put the pressure on....it will protect our defense more.
About our LBs,
Davis has been consitant, thats all i ask, wether up or down the field hes been decent.
Peek is a big sleeper this year, with him and Wimbley they are too big guys you will see flying around the field.
DQ is a stud.
Williams should also be thrown in the mix showing some good play.
Not so sure on Griffin don't know him that well but he stuck with the team so he must show somthing.
Stewarts hurt, if he can be healthy i think he can be decent...hes from the Central Catholic Leauge which my high school is in so i gotta favor him lol.
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