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with all the positive things going on this year I think the sooner he is cut the better even though AC could be a dynamic player. Josh Gorden II
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It really sucks to again be looking at possibly losing an immense talent at WR over this crap.
As my old boss was always fond of saying: You Can't Fix Stupid
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j/c: This is from an article that Grateful posted on another thread. Support system Landry made it clear he has the back of Antonio Callaway in the aftermath of the NFL suspending the second-year Browns receiver last week for four regular-season games because he violated the league’s substance-abuse policy. “He already has his support system. He continues to grow with that,” Landry said. “As players, we stand behind Antonio. We’re here for him. Whenever he wants to talk, we talk to him. It’s just the relationship that we have, and everybody goes through things. We need people to be there for him, and we’re there for him.” Landry said he’s “absolutely” hopeful Callaway can turn everything around. “The kid has all the abilities,” Landry said. “He has all of the tools to be a guy that can make plays at a high level. He has the speed, the catching ability, the route-running, all of those things. If we can get that all together, he’s going to be a hell of a player.” https://www.ohio.com/sports/20190812/bro...eing-carted-off--A couple of thoughts. Landry's leadership and attitude are irreplaceable. --I think the Browns are correct for giving Callaway one more shot. --I have no proof of this, but I do believe it's his last shot w/the club. --I have no idea if Callaway will reward the Browns for their patience and belief in him. Guys like him typically make the same mistakes over and over. However, I am hoping he can get his stuff together.
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It really sucks to again be looking at possibly losing an immense talent at WR over this crap.
As my old boss was always fond of saying: You Can't Fix Stupid
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with all the positive things going on this year I think the sooner he is cut the better even though AC could be a dynamic player. Josh Gorden II All of those who keep comparing him to Gordon...I think this is unfair. Nobody knows the extent of his issues. We only know one side and it's the bare minimum based on reports that have emerged. Gordon had serious substance abuse issues that were well documented and he had many demons he was fighting. To just blanket this kid with some flippant comparison is wrong and unfair. I agree with Landry and as fans we too should support him.
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I’m talking about now not on hard knocks ... if Freddie “backed” John then I’d have lost some respect for Freddie now ...
I never had any respect for KJ in that regard ... he’s a whore when it comes to that .. *L* ...
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with all the positive things going on this year I think the sooner he is cut the better even though AC could be a dynamic player. Josh Gorden II All of those who keep comparing him to Gordon...I think this is unfair. Nobody knows the extent of his issues. We only know one side and it's the bare minimum based on reports that have emerged. Gordon had serious substance abuse issues that were well documented and he had many demons he was fighting. To just blanket this kid with some flippant comparison is wrong and unfair. I agree with Landry and as fans we too should support him. It's completely fair, and unfair..... while the story MAY be different, the current results are the same. He created the identical situation with his actions. I will support him as long as he is in Orange & Brown, but I will not put on a happy face and say "aww, schucks". Same as Gordon - change won't happen until/unless the pain of staying the course exceeds the pain of changing. That only happens through consequences.
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I’m talking about now not on hard knocks ... if Freddie “backed” John then I’d have lost some respect for Freddie now ...
I never had any respect for KJ in that regard ... he’s a whore when it comes to that .. *L* ... The word "whore" is not the correct word for what Dorsey does. It's also a very vulgar word.
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I'm not going to judge Dorsey for any statements he made under the microscope of Hard Knocks. Particularly when the cameras were catching a bird's eye view of a situation just beginning to transpire. The whole crux of that meeting was "you better come clean, you better not be lying and you better come to us first in the future".
Flash forward to another incident, this one after a successful rookie campaign and a full year of staff getting to know "Callaway, the person". Talent still undeniable, and it has translated to the NFL. Apples and oranges to me.
This is the time when you sit the young man down and spell things out in no uncertain terms... This IS your last chance.
If I'm GM, Callaway has also just cemented his place on the trading block for me. Let him serve his suspension, come back, showcase his talent, and go get yourself the 4th back that you invested in him. If I can't get a 4th or equivalent talent (at a position of need) in return, he remains on the team. Flowchart is simple after that - either he rights the ship, is a productive member of the WR corps, or he screws up and gets dropped. In the mean time, his stock increases as long as he continues without incident and the risk level stays low, since WR is a position of strength.
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Totally agree.
You would think when you get suspended in college and lose a year that would be a "scared straight" moment.
But no. Callaway goes to the Combine and tests positive. Dumb and dumber.
Then the car stop. Weed in the car along with gun parts. After that he was talked too at length.
Then he comes to camp out of shape.
And now he fails another drug test.
Yes, he will get this chance. But like you said "this is it".
Hard to understand what is inside Callaway's head?
I mean damn. Do you want to be rich or poor?
There is no defending his actions. But like Gordon any GM struggles with releasing young guys who have the skills to be great.
Callaway better show up and prove he wants a job or his career will be a short one.
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with all the positive things going on this year I think the sooner he is cut the better even though AC could be a dynamic player. Josh Gorden II All of those who keep comparing him to Gordon...I think this is unfair. Nobody knows the extent of his issues. We only know one side and it's the bare minimum based on reports that have emerged. Gordon had serious substance abuse issues that were well documented and he had many demons he was fighting. To just blanket this kid with some flippant comparison is wrong and unfair. I agree with Landry and as fans we too should support him. It's completely fair, and unfair..... while the story MAY be different, the current results are the same. He created the identical situation with his actions. I will support him as long as he is in Orange & Brown, but I will not put on a happy face and say "aww, schucks". Same as Gordon - change won't happen until/unless the pain of staying the course exceeds the pain of changing. That only happens through consequences. It finally came out that Gordon was fighting a whole host of demons. That didn't come out until very late in the never-ending saga that was Gordon's time with the Browns. 95% of the time Gordon was on the roster, the narrative was weed (and more weed... and more weed). When I call Calloway 'Gordon 2.0', I'm only talking about the struggles with weed that defined the story with Gordon the vast majority of the time he was here. I think people (obviously, including myself) kinda forget about all the other stuff Gordon admitted to at the end of his time in Cle because the narrative was so entrenched in his smoking.
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As with Gordon, we have no idea if this latest infraction is, "just weed".
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This is good news about Callaway.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...-positive-test/
Apparently he has been clean for over a year and doing what he should be doing.
I would love to see him reach his true potential.
Hopefully he stays on the straight and narrow,
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If he's been clean for a year, why suspend him now and not like, 11 months and 30 days ago?
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If I recall....
Didn't Callaway suffer through playing an entire pre-season game as punishment last year because he lied about an incident?
Yes, but that was Hue's idea. Hue's an idiot.
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He’s been doing everything he’s suppose to be doing ... odd the browns told him to report to camp out of shape ...
I’m an action speaks louder than words kinds cat ... his actions don’t match up with the words ...
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Yep, if he proves to stay clean, work hard and right the ship ... i’m All about supporting him
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So... the article said last season... the skeptic in me is saying it very well could be right after the last game of the season. I have no evidence of any kind, but when the article cites an MKC 'source' and the player's agent... and that's it...? I'm skeptical.
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There is no question about AC's talent but I think even without the suspension he is 4 behind Higgins. Who continues to grow with Mayfield - they continue to make big plays with incredible small windows. AC would probably be one of the best #4 WR in the NFL but If he has failed a test knowing full well the consequences and this is his 3rd warning starting with a bad test at the combine. I see no reason why it will stop, sure give him another shot why not. But I learned my lesson with Gordon...you can't teach stupid. I don't trust him and will not count on him for the future, he goes 2 years without a hiccup, he is back in good reliable graces.
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Callaway is back today. That means someone else is off the roster.
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It might be Ratley IF Higgins is healthy enough
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Ratley had a bad game. It happens.
Why is everyone clamoring to cut the guy?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Ratley had a bad game. It happens.
Why is everyone clamoring to cut the guy? I don't know about "clamoring"...but he was 'on-the-bubble' after TC and he was glaringly bad yesterday. $.02
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It just seems we live in this world where if it isn't perfect every time all the time, we have to go to extreme decision making instead of recognizing the obvious - chit ain't perfect all the time.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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No, please be the guy behind Ratley. In all likelihood, it will be a Special Teamer that gets the axe.
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j/c:
Apparently there is a WR by the name of KhaDarel Hodge on the active roster. Maybe he is the odd man out.
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or Harvey could go on IR?
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Who is Harvey, and what's wrong with him?
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Who is Harvey, and what's wrong with him? A LB that played about 4 snaps yesterday before getting hurt. A shoulder?
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So is this a case of "last in, first out"? Or do we "shoot the wounded and march" type of philosophy? Do we know of someone labeled as expendable when the suspension came through initially? I really do not make much sense of some of the finagling with the roster that Dorsey is showing us. Not saying it is bad, just that it eludes me.
I hope he proves to be worth keeping for us and not a Gordon 2.0.
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Freddie gave Ratley props in his presser, saying that he had to fill in 3 different positions, and was valuable for his knowledge of the playbook.
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If it were me I'd cut the WR Taylor. Why he kept trying to run out those kickoffs and only getting to between the 15 to 20 yard lines is baffling to me.
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If it were me I'd cut the WR Taylor. Why he kept trying to run out those kickoffs and only getting to between the 15 to 20 yard lines is baffling to me. My guess is that is more game plan than him making a decision on the fly. If he's making that call on his own then, yes, he should be cut.
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Ahh, ok. The guy we signed when Kirksey went to IR.
Unless his injury is really severe, I'd expect we hang on to him as a "just-in-case" simply because of the position he plays. Even if we have guys filling in well right now, that's a place we can use depth.
I'd expect Taywan Taylor or another WR to be the one to go.
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I forgot about Harvey ... I think he’ll be IR
I’d like to keep Taylor around ... he has a bit of upside
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or Harvey could go on IR? Good call. I don't think that we get ridd of a WR. Especially with Juice in concussion protocol this week. If not Harvey. Then Jackson is another possibility.
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It just seems we live in this world where if it isn't perfect every time all the time, we have to go to extreme decision making instead of recognizing the obvious - chit ain't perfect all the time. I agree. I'm certainly not one clamoring for him to be cut. I think we cut a late-add WR - unless Landry is likely out - or a late-add CB if Ward/Williams are good to go. As stated IR is a factor and also is Practice Squad eligibility.
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