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Lol no you don’t. Or you’d be asking yourself how humans can help stop their impact on global warming.

BULLcrap.

Why is it you and everybody else can't answer the question I asked?

I will save you the trouble.... the truth is nobody knows.

There are no answers. The sun is currently entering a minimum phase. This will drop temperatures over about a dozen years. The global warmist will claim they were right, those of us that don't believe them will know they were right.

The sun has more to do with the climate than anything we can ever do to this planet, short of nuclear war.

The midieval warm period was warmer than now. The Roman warm period was warmer than now. The Little Ice Age was caused by the Maunder minimum. The Year Without A Summer was caused by another minimum and the eruption of mount Tamboura.

Our effects on the climate are minimal at best.

Guess you can’t handle the truth. So I’ll help you... The truth is you don’t want to find solutions because you are denying humans have an effect on global warming.

Total lie, total bullcrap. Go wash your hands because your going to leave feces all over your keyboard after pulling that one out of your ass.

I have already said I believe humans can have an effect on global warming. What I have asked is how much effect, which you and nobody else has been able to answer.

Yeah, let's keep our troops dying over oil because we're waiting to figure out how much man is impacting climate change.

Renerwable energy will make America stronger and independent from foreign oil. No more troops dying in the middle east. At that point we can just sit back and watch them kill each other.

Well, you were looking for an answer and I gave you one.

We just sent 200 troops and millions on defensive missiles to Saudi Arabia. Why? Because somebody blew up their oil.

And just think about what you're saying here.

"I know man is adding to global warming but I don't want to do anything about until I know exactly how much!"

Maybe you should use that as the sales pitch for renewable energy instead of "the world is going to end in 10 years"

Well some people don't believe that when you keep trashing our air that anything will happen. You know, they refuse to believe one of Newton's basic laws.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

You really can't make that crap up!

And actually, fighting wars and having troops being killed over oil isn't a sales pitch. It's reality.

GM...are you serious? The science community has provided many answers, much data and a lot of research to your questions, yet you and others refuse to read or listen to them. If you really want answers to these questions you will need to take the time to read what the scientists have provided and not ask for them on a on a fan site for an American football team!

Climate change is a friggin democratic political bogus hoax!

No scientific data proves any facts.

I believe everyone should be environmentally conscious, but there is no real scientific data that can prove the end of the word via climate change.

If the lib's scientific data was correct, we would already be history.

Translation: I don't have a clue about anything but I want you to pay attention to me.

That's what all 14 year-olds do.

Most grow out of it. Those who don't, end up living lives that allow the rest of us to totally ignore them.

Irrelevance: a fate earned by those with nothing of substance to contribute the world.

*Hands Pit a Q-tip* here clean out your ears bro. I already told you I don't support sending our troops to the middle east over oil.



You didn't answer my question. You made up your own and answered it.



That's exactly what I am saying. If the earth is going to warm up so much that it wipes out most humans in 500 years if we do nothing, and it will take 525 years to warm up if we all do everything we can to stop it, then don't bother wasting our time and resources trying to change it. If however it's going to happen in 100 years if we do nothing but 525 years if we do everything we can to stop it, then I am all for doing everything we can to stop it.

The scientific community hasn't answered jack sheet, and neither have you.

I gave you the perfect reason to move to alternative energy. One you actually agree with. Yet it seems that reason isn't good enough for you.

I am all for moving to alternative energy, once it is cost effective to do so. Not when the government forces us to.

Renewable energy is now a compelling alternative as it costs less than fossil fuels, says Michael Milken

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/19/renewable-energy-is-cost-effective-says-michael-milken.html

So let me see if I'm reading you right. Depending on foreign oil is most certainly costing the life of our troops. We're sending them to fight and die in foreign soil over oil.

But the only way you would be willing to help stop that is if it's the cheapest way to go?

You don't even consider the cost of the military spending and loss of life into those costs? So it's okay to spend trillions on those wars and the loss of life of our troops, but not save all of that by paying slightly more for your energy? Am I reading this right?

That’s just it, nobody is forcing anything on you. Geez. Freaking some people can’t get it through their thick skulls to do the right thing while others do the right things in spite of the naysayers and deniers anyways. What freedoms are you losing in all of this? Your freedom to pollute maybe.

Did you read the green new deal? I'd they ever force that monstrosity on us, we'd be forced to do a lot.

The green new deal got smacked in the senate. Literally NO ONE voted for it.

All you’re doing is fear mongering now. The same crap you excuse others of doing. What a hypocrite.

Here's the silliness in all of this. The New Green Deal was non binding. It wasn't something mandated. It was more of a goal to strive for. And the GOP crapped their pants over it. And of course Eric still is.

I just don’t understand why people rather go backwards than forward. Yea, there was some pie and the sky goals in that paper, but like you said, why knock it?

I mean we can use the infrastructure bill to invest heavily in renewable and green energy. It will create thousands of jobs in the process, as well as make us less energy dependent.

The last time a checked, more jobs and more energy independence are conservative goals, yet here they are arguing against it.

It’s mind blowing.

Well see, that makes the assumption that Trump actually has or even had any intention if signing an infrastructure bill to being with. That was never going to happen.

Tell me this crap wasn't forced down peoples throats

https://www.rpc.senate.gov/policy-papers/obamas-war-on-coal

War on coal tell me that coal dust isn’t literally being forced down our throats first.


When the industry talks about “clean coal,” it is referring to a range of technologies that burn coal more efficiently, and pollution controls that remove some of the nastiest pollutants from the smokestack. Yet even the most efficient coal-fired power plants only operate at around 44% efficiency, meaning that 56% of the energy content of the coal is lost. These plants emit 15 times more carbon dioxide than renewable energy systems and twice as much CO2 as gas-fired power plants.

Pollution controls can remove sulphur dioxide, nitrous oxides, PM2.5 and mercury from the smokestacks. However, installing these pollution controls can add hundreds of millions of dollars to the cost of a new coal plant, making them more expensive than other renewable options, and discouraging their adoption. Today many countries continue to build new coal plants and run existing coal plants without modern pollution controls, seriously affecting the health of their citizens.

While pollution controls can remove a lot of the toxic waste from the smokestake, these toxins end up in the coal ash. This ash is stored in waste ponds or landfills which leach sulfur dioxide and heavy metals into surface and groundwater. Studies in the United States show an increase in water pollution after installation of scrubbers on coal plants.

The coal industry advocates that carbon capture and storage (CCS) can reduce carbon dioxide emissions from coal-fired power plants. However, CCS is an unproven technology which has not yet been implemented at a large-scale fossil fuel plant. The greatest barrier to CCS is its economic viability. Between 25-40% more coal would be required to produce the same amount of energy using this technology. Consequently, more coal would be mined, transported, processed and burned, increasing the amount of air pollution and hazardous waste generated by coal plants. The cost of construction of CCS facilities and the “energy penalty” would almost double the costs of electricity generation from coal, making it economically unviable.

Furthermore, there are considerable questions about the technical viability of CCS. It is unclear whether CO2 can be permanently sequestered underground and what seismic risks underground storage poses.

Ultimately, coal cannot be considered “clean” when you factor in the air and water pollution generated by coal mining, preparation, transport and combustion. Pollution from the coal life cycle harms human health and the environment. Clean coal is a dirty lie.

I’ll be waiting for the typical that’s all bull crap response.

LMFAO Now your going to lecture me on coal. I owned a coal mine, worked in it, and sold the coal to the power plants.

Now as I said before "Tell me this crap wasn't forced down peoples throats"

It was.

Renewable energy is now a compelling alternative as it costs less than fossil fuels, says Michael Milken

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/19/renewable-energy-is-cost-effective-says-michael-milken.html

So let me see if I'm reading you right. Depending on foreign oil is most certainly costing the life of our troops. We're sending them to fight and die in foreign soil over oil.

But the only way you would be willing to help stop that is if it's the cheapest way to go?

You don't even consider the cost of the military spending and loss of life into those costs? So it's okay to spend trillions on those wars and the loss of life of our troops, but not save all of that by paying slightly more for your energy? Am I reading this right?

All but one of my projects was municipal land that had been used as one thing and was being repurposed, there was no land transfer involved.

And municipalities do operate with pretty tight budgets so most weren't doing the 100% solution, more like the 80% solution that allowed them to get their project built, but still create something the community could be proud of and that was safe going forward.

Bullcrap

Since it looks like you don't know bro here are a few facts for you.

In 2018 (that's the latest year I could find) The USA produced 89 percent of our own oil. We only imported 11 percent. 9which was the lowest amount since 1957) 40 percent of the petroleum we imported came from Canada, Saudi Arabia (11%), Venezuela (9%), Mexico (8%), and Colombia (4%).

How many of our troops fought and were killed over oil in the USA, Canada, Venezuela, Mexico, or Columbia?

Spraying this on PS

1. Renewable energy is not ready. Until it is leave me alone. Right now it works like crap compared to oil sources.

For example until I can drive to Yellowstone, go through Wyoming anyway I want, charge a car in 10 minutes to full power, I know electric vehicles aren't ready. Currently YOU CANNOT take a road trip across the United States in an electric car. That means go anyway you want, not contained or limited by charging stations forcing you to go a certain way. I'd say that's pretty lame. Not a good start to that conversation for E-vehicles!!!!!

What are they doing about how long it takes to charge a car? The time is laughable. I can fill up my tank in less than 5 minutes. I'm not going to take extra time out of my schedule just to charge something that doesn't give me any benefit, and right now it does not. Its a waste of time.

2. You keep going on about oil. The US is officially the WORLD's largest oil producer. That's what machines and the world run on.

as someone who is into cars a lot, there's a lot wrong with this post. i've made the argument previously about charge times and such, but its an absolute lie that you can't do a long distance road trip.

you can currently drive from NYC to LA in an electric car, as there are quite a few charging stations along the route. also, they are putting up more and more charging stations by the month, so what was somewhat true a year ago isn't true today.

no offense but you're kinda running on outdated information.

Kinda lol they don’t care to get updates. Their heads are in the sand. They’ll be left behind like the elderly were with smart phones.

Ummmm...you can't drive to Yellowstone and across WY without filling up either. And, you do know that you can charge the car overnight while you sleep, right?

Not all older folks were left behind, some led the way.

You mean like me? I was collecting news papers to recycle them for profit in the late 70s. I got most of my neighborhood to participate.

No I didn't mean like you. I can't imagine you leading anything fruitful.

Yet we just sent 200 troops and missiles to Saudi Arabia. It's a funny thing. Earlier in this thread you seemed to admit we sent troops to fight and die over oil. Now you are backtracking on that.

I think you have your head so far up coals azz you can't see the forest for the trees. I mean that in the nicest of ways.

Do you even believe that if you keep doing the wrong thing that eventually there is a price to be paid? If so, can you explain how it is you believe we can keep bellowing a mass amount of pollution into our air and there are zero consequences to pay for that? You know that makes zero sense bro.

And are you trying to pretend that if the rest of the world's oil supply is interrupted that somehow fuel prices do not soar? Because that's why we send troops to fight for oil.

As much as many would like and seem to like a nationalist type of policy, we are intertwined with the rest of the globe. What happens on the rest of the planet effects us as a nation. As much as some dislike it, we don't live in our own bubble.

These guys spending their second childhood playing hide their heads in the sand will.