DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus IMPEACHMENT: James Madison warned us that Trump is dangerously un-American

Of course not. I just find it amazing that the "strong on defense" "hawkish" "neo-conservative" Republicans have lost their stinking minds over defending Trump.

I really think that Trump has some strings attached to his vital body parts, and Putin is the puppet master.

All of this is tied to Russia and Ukraine. Russia wants the sanctions lifted that were tied to the Crimea invasion, ongoing war Ukraine, and 2016 election.

Russia was behind the Pro-Russia government in Ukraine that was associated with the Ukraine that Biden and the got the prosecutor tossed. And Manifort was working for them for millions of dollars.

Now there is talk of Russia coming to some sort of truce with Ukraine, something that Trump has been advocating.... why... to get rid of the sanctions.

No wonder Bolton bailed.

Trump says he's becoming victim of a 'coup'

President Trump on Tuesday escalated his criticism of the Democrats' impeachment inquiry, claiming the process resembled a "coup."

"As I learn more and more each day, I am coming to the conclusion that what is taking place is not an impeachment, it is a COUP," Trump tweeted.

The president wrote that the investigation into his alleged abuse of power is "intended to take away the Power of the People, their VOTE, their Freedoms, their Second Amendment, Religion, Military, Border Wall, and their God-given rights as a Citizen of The United States of America!"




House Democrats last week formally launched an impeachment inquiry against Trump, spurred largely by his conduct on a call with the Ukrainian president in which Trump urged the foreign leader to "look into" Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden.

The White House last week released a rough transcript of the July 25 call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, which showed Trump urging Zelensky to get in touch with his personal attorney and the attorney general to investigate possible wrongdoing by Biden.

A whistleblower complaint made public last Thursday shed further light on how the White House sought to conceal the contents of the call by limiting those who had access to the transcript.

Trump's tweet on Tuesday mirrored the rhetoric he deployed during former special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. The president regularly decried the probe as a "witch hunt" and referred to it earlier this year as "a coup," likening it to something that would happen in "a third world country."

But Mueller's report did not establish that Trump conspired with Russia, and it failed to deliver a verdict on whether he obstructed justice.

The Ukraine controversy represents a more urgent threat to Trump's presidency, as Democrats have indicated they are prepared to move quickly toward impeachment. In response, Trump's attacks on his critics have become increasingly hostile.

The president on Monday suggested House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), who has been at the forefront of the impeachment inquiry, should be arrested for treason for his exaggerated description of Trump's call with Zelensky.

Trump has also been fiercely critical of the whistleblower, deriding them as partisan and questioning whether they are loyal to the country.

The president said Monday that the White House is trying to find out who the whistleblower is, and he has claimed that he has the right to interview the individual, despite protections in place to keep the person's identity anonymous.

Democrats and some Republicans have pushed back against Trump's attacks on the whistleblower, saying the individual followed the proper protocols in filing their complaint.

"No one should be making judgments or pronouncements without hearing from the whistleblower first and carefully following up on the facts," Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) said in a statement on Tuesday. "Uninformed speculation wielded by politicians or media commentators as a partisan weapon is counterproductive and doesn’t serve the country."

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/463943-trump-likens-impeachment-inquiry-to-a-coup

I would enjoy some freedom from the Trump saga these days.

No adult supervision leads to terrible results.

This quote right here tells me almost everything I need to know about your world view... and exemplifies why you and I can't ever really talk about stuff like this. You have just stated with total candor what you actually believe- and it bears no resemblance to what I see when I view the world around me. Fascinating.

I want to thank you, Erik from the Great Dismal Swamp. I've been taking a deep dive into the Mueller Report, and have been waiting for an opportunity to start a new thread that might actually lead somewhere. It will be interesting to see who on this board will actually make the commitment.

New post coming soon...

I can tell by his support for trump. And I’m not under that impression at all.

AG Barr made an unusual call to Trump to give him political advice about how Rudy Giuliani should handle the Russia probe

https://www.businessinsider.com/barr-unusual-call-trump-give-advice-giuliani-russia-2019-10

Odd. Last time I checked, the AG wasn’t a president’s personal lawyer.

Pompeo confirms he was on Trump call with Ukraine president

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Wednesday that he was on a phone call between President Trump and Ukraine's president that contributed to the launch of a House impeachment inquiry.

"I was on the phone call," he said at a press conference in Rome. "I know precisely what the American policy is with respect to Ukraine. It's been remarkably consistent and we will continue to try to drive those set of outcomes."



A whistleblower complaint released last week accused Trump of asking Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to look into Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden and his son for Trump's personal gain.

"Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me," Trump said on the July 25 call, according to a memo released by the White House.

House Democrats looking into the incident have called for five current and former State Department officials to testify, but Pompeo said Tuesday that they would not show up.

On Wednesday, he said the demands "deeply violate fundamental principles of separation of powers."

"They contacted State Department employees directly, told them not to contact legal counsel at the State Department," he said. "They said that the State Department wouldn't be able to be present."

https://thehill.com/policy/international...raine-president

Putin says 'nothing compromising' in Trump call to Ukraine leader

https://news.yahoo.com/putin-says-nothing-compromising-trump-call-ukraine-leader-130954230.html

see, putin says there's nothing to see here!

- MAGA hatters

j/c:

Somewhere, Rosie O'Donnell is flipping out.

also, Pompeo is now saying he was on the phone call, but nothing was wrong with it.

so why did he lie and said he knew nothing about it initially? lol

j/c:

I found this interesting:

i dont.

Looking at the one tweet... it could be said that trump IS performing “to the best of his ability”. Sadly he’s got the same ability to execute the job as many of the dementia riddled folks I care for.

Remember, trumps tweets are official White House statements, so all I did was post an official WH statement

It would be extremely difficult for me to vote for him again.

Time travel? I can make it happen for the low.

thought it was established history that you didn’t vote for trump.

Mueller agrees lies by Trump officials impeded his investigation

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/45451...s-investigation

How many times does this need to be seen by you until you figure out you can't get to the truth when the witnesses you call are lying?

Well we all know FOX News viewers are pretty evenly split between Republicans and Democrats. That's about as credible as posting a survey from an MSNBC host.

C'mon. You can do better than this. Yes, Donna Brazile, a lifelong Democratic political strategist, past chair of the Democratic National Committee, analyst, and who managed Gore's campaign just decided to open up a twitter account when she left CNN and joined Fox News as a contributor-- and all/most of her followers are Republicans.

Good one!

That aside, my posting this had very little to do with Repubs/Democrats and simply views on the presidential seat overall. Now, the Rosie O'Donnell tweet. No that was to take a shot at O'Donnell. She sucks.

What percentage of Democrats do you think follow anyone on FOX News? Are you even trying to be serious here?

I'm pretty sure you don't know who Donna Brazile is.

I'm fully aware of who she is. I'm also fully aware that when she went to work for FOX News she lost a lot of followers and gained a lot of new ones. In case you missed it, the political divide in our country is very strong.

It shouldn't matter what any polling says. You don't prosecute or choose not to according to polling. What is a democracy? Rule of law over and above the rule individuals. Did he break the law? That's the only debate. Not if we should look the other way or not. Or if other people have done similar things.

Care to quantify her twitter follower detraction or is this some anecodatal attempt to save face?

All of her posts are Democratic-leaning and she has countless followers on her feed re-tweeting, postively commenting on, and supporting her stances/agenda. Did she gain new followers that watch FOX? Of course. But to make the claim that so many stopped following her and THAT is the reason for the results is pretty funny. Thanks for the laugh.

I encourage you to take a look at her twitter. Nothing has changed from her time and CNN and her time at FOX.

Side Note: I give her credit for going to FOX. So many people stay in their eco-chamber ** cough, cough** and tend to only listen to and engage with people who share the same beliefs. To challenge those ideas with a different audience takes a lot of balls.

Oh, so now you're accusing a woman of having the anatomy of a man. There's no depths you won't stoop to.

Right.... Great rebuttal.

In all candor, the questions posed weren't complicated or even inaccurate. Under the electoral college system, there's no doubt that the election of Trump was legitimate. A lot of people are getting sick of the fact their vote is worth less than others but that's a topic for anther time.

When it comes to impeachment, this poll is actually only about 5% off from the polls I've seen elsewhere. Polls can easily vary by that much.

I think a lot of the problem is that most people are more likely to believe what they're told on both sides of the aisle far more than they're willing to look into the laws and the facts.

Trump has now accused almost every Democrat of treason, seems to be ignoring whistle blower laws by saying he/she should be exposed and basically living one huge rant. He obviously was engaging in what the GOP has been bragging about couldn't be proven by Mueller, collusion. Working to interfere in our elections by having a foreign government investigate a political opponent. And he even went back to the Hillary well in that phone call. He just can't get over that Hillary beat him in the popular vote. Mentioned that if he's impeached it would be like the civil war.

I'm not sure how much more a president would have to do until people figure out he's unhinged and dangerous.

Speaking of polls and my comment about people being more likely to believe what they're told, or not told as the case may be......

Poll: Only 4 in 10 Republicans think Trump mentioned Biden on Ukraine call even though he acknowledged doing so

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...ans/3829338002/

Edit:

Nvm, good job. At least it's related to the topic.

Impeachment Bombshell That Wasn’t: Mysterious Packet Sends Rumor Mill Into Overdrive

WASHINGTON — The cryptically worded request marked urgent from the State Department’s independent watchdog set Congress on edge.

The message, according to Steven A. Linick, the department’s inspector general, was that he needed to meet — and right away — with senior congressional staff members to give them copies of documents related to the State Department and Ukraine. He signaled that they could be relevant to the House investigation into whether President Trump pressured Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his son Hunter Biden.

Some Democrats prepared for an explosive revelation that might show top administration officials had tried to obstruct their work. Speaker Nancy Pelosi told lawmakers on a caucus conference call that news reports were confirming that the heart of the briefing was about the White House retaliating against State Department staff who complied with the investigation. Representative Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, the chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, called Mr. Linick’s request “significant” and told lawmakers to “stay tuned.”

So what congressional aides received — a roughly 40-page packet of documents sheathed in a manila envelope decorated with cursive script and manipulated to look aged, with a return address portraying that it had come from the White House — may have been a bit of a letdown.

The packet included documents laying out a record of contacts between Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, and Ukrainian prosecutors, as well as accounts of Ukrainian law enforcement proceedings. Some of it was established fact and some was unsubstantiated speculation that cast the Bidens in a bad light.

“We thought this was about something else that the press had widely reported on,” Representative Jamie Raskin, Democrat of Maryland, told reporters as he emerged from the chamber reserved for classified briefings. “Instead, we got this.”

Mr. Raskin, apparently the lone member of Congress to attend the briefing — its original audience was intended to be aides — promptly assumed the role of narrator and myth-debunker, brandishing the dossier in disgust for good measure.

“A series of hallucinatory propagandist suggestions,” he said.

There were more questions remaining than answers on Wednesday. The packet contained a mysteriously curated collection of conspiratorial memos, news clippings and pages photocopied so poorly they were barely legible, according to a review of the dossier. The papers, contained in folders that appeared to be from a Trump hotel, were delivered to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s office in May — care of his secretary — by an unknown sender. The inspector general also included a series of emails between State Department officials that were not in the original file.

The memos referred to names that have played prominently in recent weeks, including Marie L. Yovanovitch, the former ambassador to Ukraine; Yuriy Lutsenko, the prosecutor general of Ukraine; Hunter Biden; and George Soros, a frequent target of conspiracies.

Perhaps most interestingly, a number of the memos listed a New York address — the Park Avenue office belonging to Mr. Giuliani.

Mr. Giuliani confirmed on Wednesday that the documents summarizing his interviews with the Ukrainian prosecutors were produced by a “professional investigator who works for my company.” Previously, Mr. Giuliani had recounted the interviews in a manner similar to that reflected in the documents. And he had previously described how his team had produced interview summaries modeled after those used by F.B.I. agents.

By the end of the day, some lawmakers, like Senator Robert Menendez of New Jersey, the top Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, were calling for further action.

“We also need to understand Secretary Pompeo’s role, given that it appears that he discussed these documents with at least one of his top aides and that the documents were distributed at the highest levels of the State Department,” Mr. Menendez said.

But others, like Mr. Raskin, had reached a somewhat more cynical conclusion.

This, he told reporters, was an “irrelevant distraction.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/02/us/politics/impeachment-packet-ukraine.html

Look at your choices though! Got to love it!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/...ence-committee/

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) did not notify Republicans on the committee of an intelligence official who came to one of his aides with concerns about President Trump before filing an official whistleblower complaint, according to the top Republican on the committee.
Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) said in a statement:

We learn from the press today that Chm Schiff had prior knowledge and involvement in the [whistleblower] complaint. He withheld this info from the American people and even from the Intel Cmte. In light of this news, it’s hard to view impeachment as anything aside from an orchestrated farce.

Rep. Elise Stefanik (NY), another Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, confirmed Schiff kept the information from Republicans and called upon him to step down. She tweeted:


Re-upping my tweet from last week given the breaking news today that Adam Schiff had early access to the whistleblower & DID NOT share it with his own committee – instead he manipulated this information & played partisan political games. He should immediately step down as Chair.

He did, and he’ll do it again. Even if trump went out in the street and shot someone they’d still support and vote for this pos.

Coming from your own Nazi fake news rag. Shoot the messenger. dumb trump did nothing wrong here.

Are you talking about Nunes? The Trump Stooge that was on the checks and balances committees investigating Trump, but back dooring all the information and coordinating with Trump throughout the entire time? Nunes who is a lying sack of human excrement? That guy?

Personally I am more interested in Trump actually coercing foreign governments to undermine his political opponents and withholding funds/support than i am about whether Schiff new about the report and kept it from Nunes ... because, based on the history of Nunes running straight to Trump with inside info - I have zero doubt that Nunes would have passed on the information to Trump. I know you don't actually care to keep POTUS in check and accountable - but thankfully a slim majority do.

DEBUNKED. Schiff knew there was somebody trying to come forward and that they were directed to get an attorney to assist them in filing the complaint through proper channels. STILL does not change the fact that TRUMP BROKE THE LAW AGAIN.

Facts don't matter.
Trump's actions don't matter.
The Trump supporters care only about one thing - Trump. They care about Trump more than anything including truth & country.

Facts don't matter.
Trump supporters only care about Trump - above everything including truth and country.