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Yep, but we're talking about Trump.

Racism is nothing more that a tool used by the powers that be and the media to keep people divided against one another.

Literally everything the news reports be it racism, trump, social issues, all are designed to keep us divided. Racism only exists today because people just won’t let go of something that happened over a century ago.

That cop that got convicted yesterday, the news media says that justice for people of color. Justice is meant to be blind, it’s meant to be fair, not a tool used for retribution from some wrongs in the past.

Like any system people make mistakes, we all could do better. Racism and it’s narratives are designed intentionally to divide us all and nothing will change until people wake up to the reality of that.

Cops don’t want to shoot anyone. The narrative cops like killing minorities is BS made up by the media. There is an epidemic of cops committing suicide. Simply because they find it hard to live with having to shoot someone regardless of color. It easy to judge these cops, most of you are not one. You have no idea what they deal with. Let’s see any of you stop a speed car at 3am with all the windows tinted dark all by yourself on dark highway with no idea who or what is in the car and see if you might not be a bit stressed and might make a mistake your amped up already as it is... are they armed? How many are in the car?etc

https://www.apnews.com/2cc9379fc97547f48dd6a90b7be26698

Funny everyone ******+ about the police until they need them
Because their house is being robbed or someone is trying to kill them, all a sudden you need the police right lol

By the time the cops get there, my home has already been robbed.

Fair point

I just want to make it clear there is definitely room for improvement on race relations, but it’s not as bad as the media says, and the media uses it as a way to always keep us against one another.

It’s my hope we can all get past this one day as a nation

i just want to make it clear that i dont agree with you when it comes to race relations, especially when it comes to minorities.

and to hammer that point, the guys (like you) who keep saying we're suppose to respect law enforcement when it comes to race relations, then turn around and are the same guys who trash law enforcement when it comes to Trump and the GOP.

so its cool for law enforcement to be racist against minorities, but if they go against the new republican jesus? DEEP STATE.

yall cant even practice what you preach, so dont expect minorities to respect your beliefs when it comes to this topic.

Ok and let’s revisit the Geico caveman commercial’s again. When you pick on a race in advertising, pick on the extinct race. Hence the flack the frito bandito advertising Frito-Lay used got from the Mexican gov’t in the 70’s. Sad to say stereotypes will take thousands, maybe millions of years to overcome. We’re human and we’ll take advantage of stereotypes, all of us have done it at some point. But there is a line you can cross very easily when dealing with race relations.

I think the point is that if we want improved conditions for those who have been exploited, we need to "evolve" ourselves and not resort to placing demeaning labels on others.

It's incredibly childish, but people always say things like: "Well, he did it first," in some lame attempt to justify their own biases. Thus, if we want change, we must lead by example and not resort to the same low-level labeling that we have grown to despise.

Granted, my father admired the teaching of Buddha, but he always taught us that following the noble path, no matter the obstacles and opposition, is a path worth traveling.

I totally agree with that....here’s the but.....there is a certain segment of our society that will never follow the noble path and will follow those who will lead them down deplorable paths. So leading by example alone is not enough. We need to raise people out of poverty 1st. Fix public education. Joyfully build homes for the homeless and except the huddled masses we promised the world we’d accept. Our country is weakened and crippled by a racist potus who doesn’t even know how to do his job. Want to know why,? Because he’s never had a job to do. He can’t lead by example because he’s a poor example of a human being. And there’s that big but again......there is a certain segment of our society that will never follow the noble path and will follow those who lead them down deplorable paths.

I wonder how many TDS sufferers will actually read this:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/media-ignores-trump-outreach-racial-minorities/

This drumbeat of Trump being racist is total BS.

fake news

So those things didn't actually happen?

High school teacher tells class a Confederate flag means "you intend to marry your sister"

A high school teacher in Georgia was placed on administrative leave after allegedly posting a message in her classroom saying the Confederate flag symbolizes one's intent to "marry your sister."

The controversial message offended one Hephzibah High School student, who told her mom the teacher put a photo of the Confederate flag on the board with text saying: "A sticker you put on the back of your pickup truck to announce that you intend to marry your sister. Think of it like a white trash 'Save the Date' card."

Melissa Fuller told CBS affiliate WRDW that her daughter found it offensive and asked her mom what she thought. Fuller decided to post about the incident on Facebook, where fellow parents and members of the community started discussing it.

"A lot of [the discussion] is that it's not morally correct. It's unethical," Fuller told the station. "It's just something you don't want to discuss today in today's world and especially inside of a classroom."

Fuller said her daughter once wore a belt to school with a Confederate flag buckle. The school asked her daughter to take it off, which she did, and she received an in-house suspension. "If she can't wear that belt buckle, then why is it appropriate to make an assignment out of it?" Fuller said.

The mom said her issue was not with the Confederate flag photo, it was with the text. "Why was that used? With it being such a rough area, why would you put that our there to a class discussion that could have turned very ugly?" Fuller said.

Hephzibah is a small city in the Augusta metropolitan area. An image of the Confederate battle flag was removed from the official Georgia state flag in 2003. The battle flag, adopted by the southern pro-slavery states during the Civil War, remains a controversial flashpoint; some consider it part of their heritage while others decry it as a symbol of slavery, Jim Crow and modern-day racism. The debate over the public display of Confederate flags and monuments continues in communities across the country.

Fuller said she did not share the photo of the teacher's lesson on Facebook to get the teacher in trouble — just to get feedback from other parents, WRDW reports. However, when the story went viral, the teacher was put on administrative leave by the Richmond County School System.

"The Richmond County School System is committed to creating a diverse, equitable learning environment for all students," the district said in a statement reported by WRDW. "The language used in the example was unacceptable and has no place in our classrooms."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-confede...ter-2019-10-05/

Things or words? trump has done nothing but make things worse with race relations. You and a couple others think random babbling of incoherent words spoken by a known pathological liar is true and news worthy. When it’s just Fake news to prop up your beloved dictator.

Did you read the article? How's black and Hispanic unemployment these days?

TDS sufferers blathering on about Trump being a racist - like you just did here - does not make him a racist.

Give me your "known" examples of his display of his racism. Be careful as that is a very serious allegation and typical TDS dot-connecting isn't viable...you just may expose your own TDS.

Human psychology is a mess. For all our alleged rationality, when it comes to group membership we become a bunch of screaming fanatics. Humans are "social animals." We frequently define ourselves by our relationships and affiliations. The mob mentality can take over when associating with a group and the "loudest voice" can overwhelm more measured takes.

Add to the mix a society that instills the message that winning is everything. When winning is everything, everything becomes a competition. So what if Trump is a horrible person, he's "my" group's loudest voice and the group has to win, period.

There really isn't much democracy in our democracy. It's two sides trying to win no matter what. It's a travesty.

There isn't every man having a voice. We've got every man having to pick a side. The problem is the loudest voices often end up at the extremes, and when that is what the sides follow in order to win, everybody loses.

It can happen the same way in race relations. For all the talk of equality, everybody kind of sort of wants to win. Competition is ingrained in our society.

Cooperation can be hard to find.

We've got to figure out how to change the narrative. In an us versus them paradigm, one side always loses. Often in "winning", that side often loses as well.

Working together should lead to better outcomes. Unfortunately, we have trouble looking past the "sides."

Yes. Fake news.. Proving you and others are just propping up your dictator with believing his lies unconditionally. A proven pathological liar. You believe it all by supporting it all. Deplorable.

I have problems with people who like trump. Those who support his presidency and believe his lies. That’s the side I’m against. You’re either on his side or your on America’s side plain and simple. That’s what it’s come down to. Your choice.

But are there people that actually like Trump? Or do they "like" him because he's their "side."

The fact that that difference gets lost is part of the problem.

People on both sides see themselves as "America's side." While they are both sides of America, they are both missing pieces. Individuals on each side view the other side with an image skewed to the most extreme version.

So...he DIDN'T address those groups and say those things. Riiiiight. Keep your head in the sand.

You could not provide ANY evidence of Trump's supposed racism either...shocking.

Here's your next opportunity to fail:

Tell me what Trump is-doing or has-done to "ruin" the country we all know and love. I'll be waiting...but won't hold my breath.

At some point people have to draw a line in the sand. When you have a president who calls people names like a petulant child, makes up lies on a consistent basis, feeds into crazy conspiracy theories and just generally appears unhinged, when does "your side" mean more to you than the basic principals of having someone who is competent and at least somewhat rise to the level of a decent human being as our nations president?

How’s this?
He was fined by the Justice Department for personally ordering that black housing applications be marked with a "C" for "colored" so they could be discarded.

He was fined a second time by the Justice Department for personally ordering that black housing applications be marked with a "C" for "colored" so they could be discarded.

He was fined by the New Jersey Gaming Commission for ordering black employees off the casino floor when he and his friends were gambling.

He was fined by the New Jersey Gaming Commission a second time for ordering black employees off the casino floor when he and his friends were gambling?

He ran a series of ads depicting Native Americans as alcoholics and drug addicts with the tagline "do we really want these people as our neighbors".

He called for the Central Park Five to be executed after they were cleared of wrongdoing by DNA evidence because they were "subhuman".

He stated in an interview that he doesn't allow black people to count his money ("only guys with yarmulkes").

He tweeted a white supremacist meme from the Stormfront website that claimed 84% of white murder victims were killed by blacks.

This has been covered repeatedly by several posters here for the past 3-4 years. It's the exact same list that PDF always used to PimpslaPP© these deniers.

Just because he hasn't trolled them with the 'list of shame' in months doesn't mean the list has disappeared. It's there for all to see; 45's wpeople would rather blind themselves with I've pick than admit what is obvious too anyone not in his thrall.

Just because one side is crazy it doesn't mean the other side isn't crazy, too.

It's kind of the nature of "sides" to occasionally lose their minds. Individuals get caught up in the group and emotions can overwhelm good sense.

I think one way to approach addressing racism is by trying to develop a paradigm where people define themselves without their groups.

Groups will always exist, but they shouldn't be such a core part of how people define themselves and others.

Act as individuals, see others as individuals. Think for yourself.

Don't let a group that can be suborned define you. People all too often feel obliged to play the roles that their affiliations place upon them.



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Aside:
...Where do you find a decent person in DC?

I’m going to say this one time, if you disagree with the actions of one Colin Kapernick, you need a better understanding of the word freedom.

Many black units gave their life for our freedom in WW 2, yet they came home to fight another war, on another front. I’ll kneel every day.

The greatest leaders in tUSA fought for genuine freedom, it will never stop. We will always be on the right side of history.

If you're going to tell people what they should think while talking about freedom, something doesn't add up. Just saying.

I really don't have a problem with what Kaepernick did. However, I do think he could have picked a less divisive (/"Better") way of spreading his message. Not that there was anything inherently "wrong" with his actions. Even if he had explained what he was going to do and why before hand, I think it would have helped. As it happened, his message seemed kind of separate from (or tacked onto) the act. He has run with it since the backlash.

History is written by the victors. The righteousness of their cause isn't always a determining factor.

I honestly don't know what to make of Kaepernick. His official foundation website hasn't posted any news in over a year. I can't find any information on the organization's finances. It isn't listed on charity navigator. How much overhead is involved?

Had the hits taken a toll and he found a way to "retire" without it looking like quitting and still make a boatload of money? The cynic in me wonders.

Came across this article and I'm still kind of trying to process it. Need to get some coffee.

Colin Kaepernick and anti-racism industry

I don't necessarily agree with everything in it, but it does provoke thought.

I have voted for members of both parties. I've never seen anything like Trump come from either party. Trying to explain him through tribalism is one thing. Trying to rationalize him through tribalism is yet another.

We must use a little context here to get the full overview.

Republicans have used the family unit, morality and Christianity as some of the strongest talking points for their side of the political aisle.

"The party of family values", "The Christian right", "The moral majority".

Now if you're going to go around making those silly claims, you can't support someone like Trump and then claim, "Both sides do it".

So, if in 1939 I had said to you, "In the interest of freedom, you should think the Nazi party is bad." That wouldn't add up to you because I'm telling you what you should think while espousing freedom?

Telling you what you SHOULD think about a group that was/is denying freedom to others is not an assault of your freedom to think for yourself. This is not one of those instances where both sides have a valid point and are each partially right. Sometimes one side is right and the other is wrong.

US puts visa restrictions on Chinese officials over abuses of Muslims in Xinjiang

The Trump administration put visa restrictions on Chinese officials Tuesday amid ongoing abuses of Muslim minorities in the Xinjiang region.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the measures target officials “who are believed to be responsible for, or complicit in, the detention and abuse of Uighurs, Kazakhs, or other members of Muslim minority groups” in the territory in northwest China. It follows the administration’s move on Monday to blacklist 28 public security entities and companies alleged to be involved in surveillance and detention of minority groups, effectively restricting U.S. companies from doing business with them.

“The United States calls on the People’s Republic of China to immediately end its campaign of repression in Xinjiang, release all those arbitrarily detained, and cease efforts to coerce members of Chinese Muslim minority groups residing abroad to return to China to face an uncertain fate,” the top U.S. diplomat said in a statement.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/08/us-puts-...n-xinjiang.html

muslims aren't a race.

why is this in a racism thread.

They are the Other.

President Trump is exactly what this country needed. Most have made fun of politicians and wanted them voted out of office....most call for term limits.

Now we have a guy making fun of them, and you hate it.

Pretty funny


Oh....I just click in here unless I actually quote you. I just jump in here, make a few quick comments and don't come back for a while. I am not all that interested in debating the topic because I won't change your mind and and you won't change mine, so no use getting in to a argument.

I still like you even if you are wrong.

I agree. I like George W and I like Ellen. I only mentioned George W first because he was a President.

I don't care if Ellen is gay. I like her. My wife and I have several gay friends, we don't care because they are fun friends.

I am sure President Bush is a fun guy. He seems very likable to me. Think about it....if you sat down at a bar and started talking to some recent past ex- Presidents and didn't know them as a EX....GW would be a pretty fun guy to tip a few tankards with...he was a real person...I just don't see Donald or Barrack the same way.

Sometimes one side is less wrong anyways.

Just because I agree with a person on an overarching topic, doesn't mean I have to like how they go about addressing it.

Going from telling someone they should like Kaepernick's "kneeling" to Nazis is a pretty big leap.

Protesting the flag that people fought the Nazis to defend, with many sacrificing their lives, rubs some people the wrong way.

It's possible to do the wrong thing for the right reason.

Personally, I'm not that bothered by his act. However, I can see why others might be.

Yet, those that know the sacrifice that freedom demanded as represented by the flag, like those presented at military funerals, should like it being protested because one man equates mistreatment of minorities to the same flag? They're the ones that don't understand freedom?

I'm all for better treatment. I'm not particularly fond of Kaepernick's method of "raising awareness."

I don't hate it, but I don't really like it either. It's more of a meh, he could have come up with a better method.

40 must think they are all on the dark side.

No.

Oh, look at you thinking that 40 thinks. Bless your heart.

You wouldn't like what 40 thinks, plus I would be banned.

Will always like you 40, no matter what.