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I agree Jules. I feel like both Baker and Freddy bought into all the hype about them, and haven't bothered to focus on the details to get things right. Rather than trying figure out what things we do well and do it great and figure out what other teams do well and take it away. We just try to get cute with everything.

Hey DC,
Man, Freddy thinks he can go 3 Wrs and just pass it down the field. If so, he should use short passes or even on long passes, use the back as a Safety valve. But Freddy does not do it.. Pass rush getting to you, run a draw with Chubb. Those SFO linemen were just pinning their ears back.

Freddy is over thinking things when teams are giving the Browns alot of short completions.

Of course we can win the division at 4-4, it doesn't mean this team is any good. We are fortunate to play against a junk division right now.

It reminds of Seattle winning their division at 7-9 in 2010-11.

Arians and Bowles would have been a nice pair....

Boils down to dorsey trying to be too cute and not just trying to stick with what worked. No one outside of Berea was giving freddie and OC job let alone HC. We did a pathetic search and didn’t do due diligence to bring someone more credible in here. So this is the result. A career position coach benefiting from game plans and an offense designed by someone else and can’t translate to his own success. All eyes on dorsey imo at this point. What he does will really determine direction. People forget, Dorsey has never hired a HC before so this is new to him

They have the guy that should be our coach.

They have the guy that should be our QB.

God hates us.

I thought it was Baker who wanted Freddie as HC?

I know you're prone to overreacting after a loss, but I tend to agree with you here. I think Dorsey panicked and felt we'd lose Kitchens, when it was more a sum of the parts last year. Kitchens parlayed half a season of success into a HC gig that he looks really unprepared for. Worse yet, he's even wearing the duel HC/OC hats which only a rare few have ever pulled off.

Dude. Why? The "committee" worked for six weeks, interviewed eight candidates and decided on Freddie unanimously. Yet you want to keep riding this narrative to get people riled up. You're smarter than that... and so is everyone else.

We can't score anymore in the red zone. Why?

Absolute garbage in primetime!!! I took a sick day to stay home to watch this, never again.

- maybe give Robinson some help from a te
- run chubb more!!!
- why do other teams have wr’s running open all the time, but we never have any
- our dl was supposed to be great, other than the one sack by garrett, nonexistent
- scottish hammer looked good
- if we truly believe we can win this year, trade for trent williams tomorrow!!!
- you gotta have better pass blocking, don’t know the answer but it’s gotta get fixed
- I don’t think we score next week vs seattle

Baker certainly gave Freddie his vote of confidence. But...

From the Seth Wickersham article...

"Today, Dorsey not only got his preferred coach but also his preferred structure. Kitchens will report to Dorsey, forcing collaboration and eliminating the appeals court to Haslam. Nobody knows if it will matter, given how Haslam operates. But for one day, at least, it feels good to be a Brown. As Dorsey privately told an associate: "I flexed my muscles and got what I wanted."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2579...history-collide

If this was any other coach, he would get BBQ'd for all the penalties. But everyone wants to give Freddie a pass. Hell Freddie admitted putting Calloway in too early and Odell in on a whim.

Freddie is a rookie coach that is in over his head. The Browns need to get back to basics and eliminate the stupid mistakes.

I get that you love Baker and will go to whatever length to defend him including losing a friend, but it was reported that Baker wanted Freddie as HC and that Dorsey did everything he could to give Baker everything he wanted.

Whatever............I don't even want to talk to you guys.

He stinks right now and you guys getting on my case doesn't change that.

Just so you know, we ran a ton of plays w/two TEs lined up right beside Robinson.

This part is 100% accurate. We were 100% outcoached. I'm getting LEERY of Freddie Kitchens with every game.

Call Mayfield what you want but the coaching isn't helping him. And he's certainly not overrated. Baker has his issues, I agree, but him playing QB isn't one of them. Calling him a "one read" quarterback is also irresponsible and incorrect.

You may not like this, but anyone loving an opposing defender "showing up" your team's QB under any circumstance isn't rooting for the right team. I'm not mad, that's just disappointing and pathetic.

There were so many coaching issues in this game, I lost count. Baker is still a young quarterback who has plenty to learn. We are doing an awful job teaching him. And Freddie knows it.

OBJ returning punts is a moment of desperation. That's not good. Awful.

We were dominated. After having been dominated 4 weeks ago this is not a good look. Light bulbs need to turn on.

I believe we will still win the division. And I'm worried that could be the worst thing for this team. Things need to change, soon and rapidly.

I expected a loss tonight. The niners are far better than most gave them credit for, but this was just a horrible showing on our part. That's twice in 5 games we've been completely dominated. If people want to blame Baker, that's all fine and well, but it's ok to be wrong... fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Hopefully we are taking notice.

Ohio State is my team and Baker showed them up, so there is that...

Btw...............I could care less what you think.

Just saw on ESPN that Baker held the ball for 3.35 seconds per play. That is totally unacceptable.

Jimmy G was not very good tonight statistically, but he knew to dump it when the rush came. Baker did not. He holds it and rolls into pressure. He's a one-read qb who doesn't have the speed to make plays w/his legs.

Baker held the ball for his worst yet. . . 3.35 seconds per snap. That's almost a full second too long.

Freddie isn't ready!

What happened to our offense from last year?

If it was Todd Haley's offense then GEZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, go back to it!

Our only salvation is that the AFC North Sucks!

We need to get Baker's college coach, Mile Reilly from OK.

I'm starting to have some concerns about our DL and QB coaches.

We've got talent, but I'm not sure what they are being told technique-wise. This isn't Alabama and you can't just out athlete people in the trenches at this level. Jumping outside is not setting the edge.

Baker's regressed. I'm thinking we need to get him under center and help find a rhythm with 3, 5, and 7 yard drops to go with hard play action. The sit in shotgun and wait approach isn't working. He's drifting back from shotgun giving our OTs no chance of pushing guys past the pocket. Run more RPOs where our linemen can be aggressive. Waiting on pass rushers is not their strength. Even Bitonio was getting bullied.

When we've got no rhythm, our offense resembles old white dudes trying to dance. No one's quite sure what the heck they are doing out there.

I know they did but not enough, Bosa was in our backfield all game

Vers,
Part of the reason he holds the ball too long is that Freddie does not provide a outlet pass or a check down on alot of routes. Yes, Baker is having alot of trouble reading zone coverages but the WRs have to know to settle in zones or take the shorter routes.

Think, other than a called screen, the Browns hardly ever throw to a back out the backfield. Our Oline had problem with protection, there are no throws to backs and we wait until our receivers are 10-15 yards down field... = 3.35 seconds.

I rest my case.

I think our qb holding the ball was the bigger problem. All qbs get pressured. Some throw it away. Some throw picks. Some take sacks.

Also 100% correct. Baker will eventually figure it out, but will Freddie?

Let me say again.

WE HAVE A ROOKIE HC WHO WAS NEVER A COORDINATOR. LAST SEASON HE WAS A RUNNING BACKS COACH, WHO SUBBED AS OC AND LET THE PLAYERS INVENT THEIR OWN PLAYS.

HE IS UNQUALIFIED. THIS IS THE PROBLEM.

THE END.

Lincoln Riley

I don't know, bro. I think Baker passes up throwing to open guys underneath and tries to force the ball downfield.


Steve Young did a piece on it before the game and he showed a play where Baker had all freaking day to throw and had open receiver, only to try and make the "Superman" throw to a covered guy in the end zone. He said that doesn't work in the NFL.

I wish that this would be true, but it won't be. You will feel the need to attack me in some lame-ass attempt to defend Baker.

This is the biggest problem. 100% yes.

I'm hopeful he can figure it out. He's got 11 games. If he doesn't, we can't wait and see. Time to go. This is a results based league. You can't waste Baker, OBJ, Jarvis, Chubb, Garrett, etc on a coach who can't produce results.

Yo Fate. Remember when you made fun of me on the Hype thread about this subject? A lot of posts that are similar in nature lately.

If Dorsey allowed the QB to pick his own HC then that isn't good. I like Dorsey. He has brought more talent to this team than the last 10 GM's combined. But he picked the wrong HC. We should have hired BA or maybe just kept Greg Williams. For now, it is what it is and FC will have to go back to the drawing board. He could still pull this out.I'm surely not ready to call for his head yet. We just have to go back to the basics. Playing good defense and running the ball.

I don't know what the D was doing tonight but their game plan sucked. Badly! We stopped the Ratbirds cold but let the Santa Clara Niners kick our butts. Strange.
Shanahan is a very good HC. He has his team playing good football. I thought we would probably lose tonight. I did not think we would get our asses handed to us. We got beat from jump street. I stopped paying attention before halftime. I had it on in the background while I played Mass Effect.

Yo Fate. You feeling me yet? LOL

j/c...

I'll always defend the truth. Just seems like the proper thing to do.

Well, that's encouraging.

"Hate him back, it works for me" Martin Riggs Lethal Weapon

I never advocated the hiring of Freddie. Stop making things up.