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black americans make up 15% of the country, and even less of the voting block.

when Pit says the majority of moderate voters, he means...well, the other demographics.

which all the moderate voters pretty much stayed home, btw. and i already see them making their built in excuse for sitting on their asses again in 2020.

On a personal note, I'm an "anybody but Trump" voter. I'm tired of seeing a $#!+show running this country.

But not everyone who has similar political views as myself is going to go that route.

And if you actually think people standing on their principals is making up, "built in excuses", I truly feel sorry for you. Just because they don't see it the way you do doesn't make their views and beliefs any less valid. Some people aren't going to sell their beliefs and principals down the river to vote for some far left progressive candidate.

That’s fine, but I don’t want to hear those same people whine about trump for the next 4 years like they’ve been doing since 2016.

I don’t want to hear crap about how bad trump is if people aren’t willing to replace him.

People who don’t vote but complain absolutely have built in excuses. If someone is so outraged over something, but aren’t willing to do anything about it, then the problem isn’t the politician.

And that’s a fact. I told my boy the same thing. He constantly whining about mike deWine being governor, yet didn’t show up to vote for someone else. The problem is no longer deWine.

Then someone has to come along and nominate a candidate they see as worthy of being president.

I see it as many Democrats have decided they feel it's fine to try to cram a progressive down the throats of America. "And if they don't like it they're part of the damned problem!!!"

Why not? Conservatives crammed trump down America’s throats, and not only did he get elected, hey got their Supreme Court judges on top of it.

Sorry Pit but it’s like you’re trying to tell me to ignore the clear evidence that says that Strategy works. The people who didn’t give two craps about moderate voters got their president, yet somehow you think you can convince me that it won’t happen for progressives if we rally up?

We won’t be agreeing on this issue. Like, ever.

Well your explanation is fine if you're trying to say that Democrats should act just like the Republicans did in 2016. I mean that is pretty much what you said.

I certainly hope you're right. But Trump used hate and fear to win in 2016. That was the only strategy they had.

I didn’t say anything about the behavior of republicans. Remember they didn’t want trump at all on the ticket. And please don’t conflate trump with the republicans in 2016. Because even though Hillary won the popular vote, the American people made it very clear they wanted a republican controlled congress at the time.

Republicans straight up won control of congress in 2016. I have no issues with that.

But warren has started energizing the progressive base much like trump did with the tea party base.

The big difference is warren has no where near the character flaws of trump. And that right there might actually swing mods to her.

And I simply think it will be way more than what you’re giving credit to, right now. Just my opinion though.

Another theory on why stocks are under pressure lately:
The ‘Warren correction’

-“Warren correction” is what Oppenheimer’s Chris Kotowski is calling the recent slowdown in bank stocks.

-Wall Street analysts are saying that as Senator Warren rises in the polls, industries that she’s vowed to challenge – including financial institutions – are taking a hit.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/08/warren-correction-stevens-20191008-ec.html

Lolololololololol Wall Street already coming with the hit pieces and she ain’t even win the primaries yet.

Jefferies biotech analyst Michael Yee wrote that “Elizabeth Warren continues to add uncertainty through the big November 2020 election,” and when it comes to energy, Mizuho’s Paul Sankey believes that “a new overhang has developed for this maligned sector, namely Elizabeth Warren.”

The character issue is certainly what is causing me to support the "anyone but Trump" movement. The question really becomes, is the "progressive base" large enough to win a national election?

That seems to be a question that will only be answered in 2020. Because the fact is, Bernie isn't going to be a huge factor this time around. And once he's gone, his supporters will certainly turn to Warren. That seems to almost make her a shoe in as the Democratic nominee.

Barclays health care services analyst Steve Valiquette noted that his sector has seen “political uncertainty associated with Elizabeth Warren’s steady rise in the Democratic polls,” and MoffettNathanson said that a “Warren presidency would heighten regulatory risks” for telecom names, before adding “but a Warren presidency would heighten regulatory risks for lots of industries.”

Wall Street titans like Omega Advisors’ Leon Cooperman are also speaking about the possible negative market effects from a surging Warren. At CNBC’s annual “Delivering Alpha” conference in September, he told Scott Wapner that if Warren or Sanders become “credible” opponents to President Donald Trump, the “market will not be higher.”

“I think it would be a bear market and they go on for a year and go down 25%...I would say that basically her policies are counterproductive. They’re negative for capitalism,” he said specifically of Warren’s policies.

Big business is going to do what big business always does. Protect their own self interest. No surprise there. One again, the tactic of fear.

You and others here, embracing Socialism, is unbecoming of a true American.

I think if you just look at policies, no, we aren’t big enough. The reality is that this country as a whole is still slightly conservative leaning.

I mean even American progressives are still considered moderates in Europe, for example.

I think the character thing will draw in a % of mods.

I also think there might be a chance to bring in more moderates for warren, because she does a a good job of explaining why things are the way they are, for the most part. She Atleast has plans that people can criticize or support, while other candidates are still talking in vague terms.

So that’s one reason I like her. Everybody pretty much agrees on WHAT the issues are, Atleast with liberal leaning and conservatives leaning mods. She, however, is also trying to come up with plans that actually fixes those issues, without screwing conservative leaning people over. That has always been the challenge with progressive policies.

Not so much the policies, but explaining how they won’t screw a big chunk of people over. It’s always about messaging. I think people gave it a good shot with conservative policies in 2016, but then saw those republicans completely botch everything they got handed, which is why the voters responded by handing the Dems he house in 2018:

I DONT want this to happen, but if we end up in a recession next year, then never mind a shoe in as the nominee. She might be a shoe in for the oval.

Because look how trump is acting now, and it’s turning the voters off. Imagine how much worse it actually can get if our economy is in the tanks. He’s already a low character person to a slight majority of the country. How he acts in cases of adversity will only make that number higher.

Farmers don’t seem to mind embracing that 28 billion dollars worth of socialism trump handed them.

Btw, that’s almost TRIPLE the amount of money the auto industry got in 08-09.

But that's "Trump socialism". So it's okay.

When Obama "gave loans" to the auto industry, it was some kind of crime to them.

It's funny, any time anything is brought up to help the common man, they label it socialism. But you never hear a peep from them when it comes to subsidies, "socialism" for big business. Which includes but is not limited to subsidies for big pharma and fossil fuels. They embrace "their socialism".

You telling others who have lived here for generations and who have fought and served this country that they should bow to your definition of what makes a person a "true American"... is unbecoming of a true American.

I think you have to consider 40's driving force in all of this....

Where's jules and Eve at?

yo, hypothetically, if its Warren VS Pence, who yall got?

Those who have lived here for generations, who have fought and served this country, should know better than to become what they fought against for generations.

You mean like fascist supporting a Trump dictatorship?

A Trump dictatorship? In what way?

I would never vote for Trump or Pence, so the question for me is whether I will vote for a Libertarian candidate or Warren, or whoever the Dem candidate is, this time around. I despise both major parties, so I rarely see much of a difference between the two.

This time, I have to do something I hate. I have to throw my support to a party that does not deserve my vote, but the alternative is something I can’t live with at all. So, it’s Warren, in that scenario.

I hate saying this and I hate it even more that I feel this way...........but, right now.........I am not sure I want to vote. I simply can not get behind any of the candidates.

I almost certainly will vote, but this sucks!

Just like it did the last time.

I'm going to vote and not for Trump. But the only part of it that makes me happy is that I'm trying to do my part to help remove him from The White House.

I am not committed to anybody yet. I want to wait till it comes down to 2 or 3 to chose from before I make up my mind. But like I said before I don't like Trump.

That's far from saying you will refuse to vote for him.

Your right because I never said I would refuse to vote for him. I have always said I want somebody better to vote for than him.

There isn't a single one of the top 5 Democrats in the race that wouldn't be better. Not good per say, but better. I'm never going to vote for some blow hard who is embarrassing my country the way he has to continue doing so.

If you can't see what this man is doing and how corrupt he is, there's no use discussing it at this point.

I would not vote for Trump either if I had a better choice. The Dems are a bunch of freaks whose platform is free stuff for everybody, take their guns, drag old people out of their cars, higher taxes, reparations., hate the Military and Cops, run business out of the country.If they ever come up with a true American i'll consider them. What ever happened to the JFK Democrats?

There are three Republicans running against Trump. You have options. But Trump won't even hold republican primaries for fear of losing. You might hate the left, but voting for Trump proves you hate the country more.

I will probably vote for Amy Klobuchar. Not too old and not to left, and has been around for a while.

After this soap opera, a non inflammatory person would be a refreshing change

I doubt she makes it to the primary voting. But anyone over Trump is my vote. Y'all can figure out who you want for the nominee.

So they are worse than a habitual liar who games the system to use government employees to work with foreign governments to interfere in our elections?

Better than a man who brags about groping women? Better than a man who has cheated on all three of his wives? Who has paid off a porn star and a playboy bunny? A man who refuses to let anyone testify before congress by ignoring subpeonas?

Even Hillary testified when called.

It's funny how this works. You're all afraid of trans bathrooms because you worry about females getting groped. Then you support a man who brags about groping women.

You can't make this BS up.

Watched Real Time with Bill Maher this weekend and listened to him talk to Klobuchar. Bill wants a centrist, which the bland vanilla Klobuchar embodies. Now I understand that she is a dem candidate and is considered a dem across the board; but she sounds republican-light to me.

Anyone not giving away the world on a silver platter sounds like Republican light to you.