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A team with a working defense might have.

Well I guess that eliminates the Clowns? Doesn't it??

Did Manning play defense for the Colts? 16 points against that defense..... <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> Maybe T.O. Jr. needs more Pepto. <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

It MIGHT leave out the Browns defense, but everyone on the board knows that definately leaves out the Bungle D

Nice save face job. NOT!! You stated that from 2004 (4-12) to 2005 (6-10), the Browns were improved and that the Ravens were on the decline. You and I were having a debate over numbers and improvement. My whole contention at the time was the Browns DID NOT improve from 2004 to 2005 because they still finished in LAST PLACE despite winning two more games from 2004 to 2005. Remember that debate GM? Sure you do! You on the other hand said because 6-10 is better than 4-12, the Clowns are improved. So thanks for sticking your own foot in your mouth. The Browns are not improved. If you said they were improved from 2004, you could make a case if you look at number of wins. Of course, I would debate this again considering where the Clowns ended up. So how have the Clowns improved from 2005? They are 4-10 now and can do no better than tieing their record from 2005. I say they will lose at least one more game which would give them eleven losses. You're almost as easy to smack around as Coach.

But keep wearing those Browns colors proudly. The colors of LOSERS from the front office down to your crappy team. Hopefully in your lifetime, you will have the opportunity to see the Clowns win something of significance. LMAO!!

Poor Curly thinks that it makes his team look better that somebody else is worse. On your way to an 8-8 season and thinking because you have had one winning season in about 17 or so makes you guys the mighty Bengals. LMAO!! Bungle fans are so pathetic. <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

And saying no team could have stopped Manning that night....OMG, more Bungle pitifulness. <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

Oh I understand improving a team very well. All I need to do is look at my own team I root for. When the Browns move to Baltimore, they were a joke (much like your team is now) with three straight years of losing. In 1999, they went 8-8. And we all know what the Ravens achieved in 2000 now don't we Coachy. LOL!! The point I was making and you trying desperately to avoid is the Browns returned to the NFL in 1999 did they not? That would be EIGHT YEARS that they have not done SQUAT!! Say all you want about Crennell and Savage only being there for two years, bottom line is the Browns have the worst record in the NFL since they returned. That's a fact jack. Nothing has changed with your organization and that is the travesty. So sorry Coach. No one is buying the "we are in rebuilding mode" anymore. I guess if the Browns keep losing and firing one headcoach and GM after another, you will still try to use the arguement that the Browns are "rebuilding" 20 YEARS LATER !! Nice Coach! <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />



YAWN, SNOOZE, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, BORING!! Let me ask you something. Did these players win?? Do the Browns have at least a .500 record? My point? The only thing that matters in the NFL is WINNING Coach. See how that works? What difference did this year make opposed to any other year for the Browns. They still had # 1 picks and active in free agency. What were the results Coach? Let me answer that for you: LOSING!!! Why is it documented and chronicled more so then the other 31 teams in the NFL, that the Browns just don't get it when it comes to drafting? How come you don't hear this being said about any other team Coach? <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> You surely don't hear this being said about the Ravens now do you? The Ravens have had more success with their undrafted players than the Browns have had with first round picks. LMAO!!

As far as the the statement you made that I bolded, ROTFLMAO!! The Browns still loss those two games to the Ravens did they not?? And uh, getting swept by the ENTIRE AFC NORTH more then substantiates my point about your team being called "team tragedy". Buh-Bye!!

I have no need to save face as I have never lost it. You on the other hand lost BOTH of your faces long, long ago.


The Browns were improved, and the Ravens were on the decline. Facts are Facts crampy.


Yes I remember it. You made a complete Jack donkey out of yourself then, just like you are now <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />


I said because of their record and their play on the field they were inproved. Your trying to play twister all by yourself again and no matter how hard you try you can't plant your face, and arse on yellow while your nose in placed on green, red, and blue <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />


It's no wonder everybody rolls their eyes and laughs at you everytime you claim to know anything at all about football <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" /> The Browns are improved at punter this year, linebacker, defensive back, and QB over 2004, also at O-cordinator, plus Edwards, and Winslow have gained some good experience and stayed healthy.


The only smacking you have done is to yourself with your giant lips crampy.

Now everybody stand back because cramps nose is going to grow at least a foot with his next reply <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Thank you for YET AGAIN proving your ignorance for all to see, McAndre. You have NO CLUE on what building a franchise is. You're absurd statements are truly laughable. The FACT is that RAC and Savage are in their SECOND YEAR. You rewrite history with how bad the Ravens were after their move. I notice you AGAIN rewrite history. I've PROVEN to you before that the team was only 2 years removed from being in the playoffs. Yet you ignore this with your babblings. Regardless, that's not the point. The POINT is that the Browns upgraded their talent and there is no denying that. You're ignorance on building a team is so apparent. You don't go from nothing to the Super Bowl in one season. For you to make such ignorant statements is nothing new, but still makes everyone laugh.

Your point about winning is as ignorant as your other babblings. Those players were put in place. As I said, you cannot remake an entire team in one offseason. Those players will have others added to them and they will have a winning record. I know you don't get it because in YOUR profession, you can deep fry the fries or pop a burger into the microwave and get instant results. Here in the game of football, and in reality, you don't build something instantly. Again, if the team is truly SO pathetic, why did your supposedly great team only beat them by 12 total points in 2 games? Wouldn't such a far superior team be able to have better results?

NOTHING substantiates your point...unless your point is that your are ignorant of the game of football. I posted EXACTLY how the Browns have improved and you ignore it to continue to spew your ignorance in the face of facts and reality. I can't help you win you have such mental issues. Try taking your meds and putting down the Madden 07 controller and learn about the REAL game of football. Then you might be able to find a clue with two hands and a flashlight....unlike now.

Oh, and I'd rather be rebuilding for 20 years, as your incorrect (YET AGAIN) babblings suggest than to have to steal a team from another city because my city couldn't get the NFL to put one in mine. Keep posting your drivel, McAndre, you have a new best friend in the only troll that is close to you in ignorance of the game. You and your newest buddy MarkV are on the same level....maybe you guys can go play teletubbies together while you're on Christmas break. <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

The only thing the Clowns upgrade every year is their position in the draft. and.....
your ignorant babblings have no point at all.

Translation: I don't know anything about football so I will just pretend that I have made a point. I can't refute anything in the post about upgrading in talent without proving to every poster on this board I am as ignorant about the game as everyone says I am. Instead, I'll make just one general statement that is so absurd that even McAndre doesn't believe it but I'll pretend it makes me look cool and really smart. Even if it doesn't, I can still pretend.

Translation: Blah blah blah blah blah lah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah.

Stop spamming this board or you will be banned.

Hahaha. Poor old MarkyMark.

You just got told.

Says the third grade level competency poster. Next.

The rest of your mindless babble fools no one GM. You are someone who will delete a quoted phrase or word to fit whatever juvenile ridiculous point you are feebly trying to make. I won't even comment on the rest of your post as it is not worth the time of day. Again, you can't acknowledge that the Ravens going from 6-10 to 11-3 and counting hardly shows a "decline". Your clowns on the other hand go from 6-10 to currently 4-10 and counting; losses that is. So your definition of "improving" lacks plenty to be desired. Much like the points you try to make on this board.

My absurd statements are truly laughable? you just don't get it do you. I say this yet again, you are NOT a football coach in any way shape or form. It's just not possible. How did I "rewrite history (where have I heard that one before - another cut-n-paste job) Coach? The Ravens were a truly bad team when they came to Baltimore. Their overall record at season's end backs this up. The Ravens were 4-12 in 1996, 6-9-1 in 1997, and 6-10 in 1998. What part of this is not sinking in? They sure as hell wasn't a playoff calibur team those three years. And the Browns two years removed from the playoffs? LMAO!! Let's see: Browns did not make the playoffs in 2003, 2004, 2005, and what do you know; they won't do jack this season. <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> That's a little more than two years math major. The Browns "upgraded" their talent?? This is debatable. Again, talent means NOTHING if you can't win with it. I'm sure those will be the parting words of Romeo Crennell as he is at the podium at Browns head quarters in Berea saying his good-byes to everyone after he was fired. "Well, we upgraded our talent every year but for whatever reason, we just could not get the job done". Again Coach - Nice! You're sure batting a thousand buddy. And did I say you go from nothing to the superbowl?? (Shrug). This is evident. All you need to do is look at your own team coach and then you would be able to answer you own question there. <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" /> All you're doing is doing what Clowns fans do best - make excuses for your sorry team, organization, and front office. Thanks for playing. <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />



You can't make an entire team in one season? Really? How do you explain the Ravens? How about the Chargers? What about the Saints? OOPS!! You are as wrong here as you are in 99.9% of your posts. It's all about making the right moves at the right time. The Ravens have a history of making the right moves whether that be the draft or free agency. Look at the type of year Trevor Pryce has had. Ask anyone what Steve McNair has meant to the Ravens this year. Again, thanks for playing. And please don't make your self look foolish and ignorant about players being added and this will result in a winning record. The Clowns have had ONE and I do mean ONE winning season since their return in 1999. How do you explain that Coach? They add players every year just like the other 31 teams and yet they are still a joke when it comes to WINNING !! Next.



And do tell. What is the "real" game of football? If it is to follow the pattern of the Browns, the NFL would go "belly-up" like the USFL did a few years ago. Why? Because no one would want to see your product. In other words, no one wants to supports a bunch of losing teams. Make sense now? And I'm sorry that you can not correlate my meaning between your team being called "team tragedy" and the fact that they are one of the biggest laughing stock in the entire NFL among fans because they did not win ONE FREAKEN DIVISION game this year. Maybe one day the light bulb will come on for you.



I did not incorrectly say anything. As usual, reading comprehension and understanding or retaining only goes so far for you. You keep harping on "rebuilding" and the fact that Crennell and Savage have only been there in Cleveland for two years. Well, before that you had Butch Davis who was also "REBUILDING", and before him Chris Palmer who was also "REBUILDING". So my point was if the Browns keep losing and firing head coaches and GM's, I guess you would use the excuse of "REBUILDING" for another 20 years right? Uh, the 20 year reference is arbitrary Coach - I still can imagine seeing the lost look on your face.

You are a sad, sad, sad waste of time. If you do coach football which I highly doubt, I hope this is all you do. I could not imagine you having any sort of positive impact in a young man's life when it comes to teaching train of thought or other aspects of life.

No, didn't say that at all. I told several of you here that the Clowns were an inferior team to the Bengals before one pre season game was played..As for the question are you a worse team than the Bengals? Heck you might be the worst team in the NFL on a lot of peoples boards..So whats new??



You don't watch much football do you? I actually admired the quickness and accuracy that Manning had Monday night. Something that I know you Clevelanders haven't seen since the day of Brian Sipe but it still happens. If you've seen Peyton Manning at all, or paid any attention to the stats he put up last monday night , you might just understand what I meant by that statement. Not every QB is a bumbling idiot like Charlie Frye..(wow what a concept huh??) But i guess maybe I should be more understanding as how, a fan of a probable #32 rated QB team would not understand "Elite QB play."

You would do a lot better if you didn't comment on anybody's posts you make yourself look foolish every time you do. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Ahhh, either the terrible reading and comprehension skills are incredibly lacking, or you twist things to try to make a point YET AGAIN (and if you would stop twisting facts, I wouldn't have to cut and paste the FACT that you do it every time <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> ). Let me clarify this YET AGAIN for you. The Browns were in the playoffs in 1994. They moved to Baltiwhore after the 1995 season. Therefore, they were ONE SEASON REMOVED FROM THE PLAYOFFS WHEN THEY ARRIVED IN BALTIWHORE. Do you get it now, McAndre, or are you too busy cleaning the friers to actually take the time to read and comprehend? It's that simple.

"The Browns "upgraded" their talent?? This is debatable. Again, talent means NOTHING if you can't win with it."

<img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />YOU question MY football pedigree when you make absurd statements like it's "debatable" that the Browns upgraded. Name ONE of those upgrades I listed that is "debateable". You can't. ALL of those upgrades are obvious to ANYONE that knows football....then again, that could be why you say it's "debateable"....because you have proven time and time again that you are CLUELESS about the game.

"You can't make an entire team in one season? Really? How do you explain the Ravens? How about the Chargers? What about the Saints? OOPS!! You are as wrong here as you are in 99.9% of your posts."

<img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> More re-writing of history and ignorant babblings from McAndre. How do I explain the Ravens? Easy, look at the records in previous years. Before winning the Super Bowl, they were a team that had made the playoffs previously, then had records of 5-11, 4-12 (this the year they drafted Ray Lewis, Jermaine Lewis, and Jonathon Ogden, 6-9-1 (the year that Peter Boulware and Jamie Sharper was drafted, signed Mike McCrary, Priest Holmes, and Tony Saragusa), 6-10, 8-8 (signed Qadray Ismail, drafted Chris McAllister), then finally 12-4 (signed Shannon Sharpe, Trent Dilfer, Ben Coates, drafted Jamal Lewis). There are some acquisitions missing, but as you can PLAINLY see, the Ravens built their team to a winning team and it took FIVE YEARS of drafting and signing to do so. So much for one season turn around <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

Now, I can do the same with the Chargers and the Saints if you REALLY want me to.....or have I embarrassed you enough for one post?

As for what else I do, I own my own business that is very successful and I coach, which I've shown I am successful at to. You, on the other hand, harldy concern me with your critique of me. After all, you are nothing more than a frustrated burger flipper that wishes they could be an actor or have ANYTHING meaningful to contribute to life. You have been proven to have ZERO credibility or football knowledge time and time again. Yet, YOU think that you have any kind of knowledge of a subject you have been exposed to having NONE. In fact, I just PUNKED you using your own team's history...that you supposedly know so much about. Once again, McAndre, you have been OWNED and exposed for the lying, ignorant troll that you have always been. Thanks for giving us all something to laugh at every day. We do so enjoy it.

And let me clarify this for you again. You are clueless, a joke, and a total embarrassment to even other Browns fans. So what the Browns were in the playoffs in 1994. What did they do the following year in 1995? Well I'll be "DAWG GONE", they had a marvelous record of 5 wins 11 LOSSES . Boy if that isn't a playoff calibur team I don't know what is. Amd uh, that 1995 season was the last in Cleveland. So as I correctly stated, when the Browns moved to Baltimore, they were hardly a good team or playoff calibur.

And yes I do question your football pedigree because quite frankly you have none. The name of the game in the NFL or any other professional sports for that matter is WINNING. But yet me and others should believe you when you say you're some "hotshot" football coach that the college level programs are coveting. All I have to say to that is BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! If the Browns end up with a worse record this year than last, was this Browns team more talented? <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

As far as the Ravens go, the comparison I was making was their record and team from last year to this year. The Ravens I think it would be fairly safe to say would not be 11-3 if Kyle Boller was the starting QB the entire season. The Ravens did not have Steve McNair until this season. So yes, you can turn a team around in ONE SEASON. It does not have to take several seasons or in the Clowns case, two years shy of a DECADE to become a winning team; which by the way they still are not a winning team by a longshot. I'm sorry you are mentally challenged and can not see this point.
As far as upgrades that are debatable? I don't see where Frye is any better than Trent Dilfer was. I don't see where Rueben Droughns is any better than Lee Suggs or William Green. Your offensive line which is truly offensive, where are the upgrades there as Charlie Frye has been sacked 43 TIMES THIS SEASON !! If this stat is not the most in the NFL, it truly is in the top two or three. PATHETIC!! By the way, Steve McNair has been sacked 16 TIMES THIS SEASON!! Tied for second lowest in the league. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> So getting to my point earlier. It is irrelevant that the Ravens still have players that played in the post-season in the past. If it was such abig deal, how come the Ravens did not make the post-season last year or the year before that? Enter STEVE MCNAIR. He is not the only reason mind you for the Ravens turn around from 2005, but he is the most significant. Thanks for playing again Coach! <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

And are we melting again Coach? You haven't shown JACK about your "supposed" accomplishments as a football coach. In other words O'Leary, you are either exaggerating or flat out LYING. I don't believe any of it. You are one of those individuals that will say anything to grab what little attention in life you can get. Period. I can tell this by you always thumping your chest talking about how "great" you are. And me flipping burgers?? LMAO!! Surely you jest. I never had a job in a fast-food joint my entire life including when I was just starting out in the work force as a teenager. So you swung and missed yet again O'Leary. Don't worry about what I do for a living. Just try and think of new and improve ways to lie about yourself. It truly is amusing.

Oh, poor McAndre, using the typical tactics. You have YET to refute ANY of the upgrades I mentioned. In fact, you flat out ignore them because you can't deny them. Instead, you make up things that were never mentioned as proof that upgrades weren't done.

As for the rest of your babblings, the improvements must be made over many years, as I PROVED WITH FACTS. I know you don't know what facts are, McAndre, because you never use them. I SHOWED YOU how the core of the Ravens was developed and that it took FIVE YEARS to do so. You can't refute that. Keep trying to spin things, McAndre, but the FACT is that you have to build a foundation before you can have that one year turnaround in record. You can't deny it. It happened WITH YOUR TEAM.

Having read your ignorance for the last couple of years shows how little you know about the game. So, I could care less what you believe or don't believe. Your credibility on here is ZERO. Fans from your own team laugh at how you don't get the game and have to resort to lies. So, if YOU say I'm lying, I know I'm right. I sleep well knowing what I do for a living and my coaching. A pathetic troll that couldn't carry my jock strap when I played or my whistle now that I coach means nothing to me....especially when they're claim to fame is flipping burgers and witnessing the state lottery drawing as an "acting" job.

I understand your frustration, McAndre. You have nothing. You have no football knowledge, no friends, not point, and no life. Your bitter hatred of those that have all that you don't is understandable, but it's still pathetic. You are a joke. You have been proven wrong in YET ANOTHER discussion. Your ignorance, immaturity, and mental issues won't allow you to see what EVERYONE ON THE BOARD INCLUDING RAVENS FANS sees. You have once again been OWNED. Now, go ahead and post something that is illogical, ignorant, and flat out delusional and have the last (and wrong) word. It has given me great joy to smack you around this forum. I have exposed you YET AGAIN for what you are. Now, type your last childish rant and then go take your meds.

I watch a lot of football. Apparently you don't. I've seen some defenses take advantage of the Colts' offense in games this year. Granted they had coaches who know how to game plan, unlike Marvin. I'm not talking about the Browns although, you prove my point by showing me you must talk about another team in order for you to feel good when trying to brag about your own.

Your defense was a total joke in that game and the defensive scheme sucked royally, and even when your coaches saw that they decided to stick with it. Yeah, that's quality alright. Too bad Chad has to keep going to the sidelines for I.V.s too....and it's ALL for the camera. Poor old Bungles.

Any mediocre QB could have beaten your team that night....please quit pretending you are giving props to Manning for anything other than making your own team look a little less inept.

Well, I can't help again that you are slow. I gave several examples of how your "upgrades" were not really upgrades. I mentioned your o-line especially. 43 SACKS given up buddy. This is fact not fiction. If you choose to deny or ignore this, so be it.

As far as time line to build a team Mr. remedial reading comprehension, I never disagreed with you here. I just said no one is buying your utter bullcrap about the Browns still "rebuilding". There is a difference to "rebuilding" and adding pieces to "build" a team. If you don't know the difference, that's on you.

And you have the audacity to talk about one's credibility on this board? Now that is hilarious. And how many times are you going to say how fans of my own team laugh at me? You sure as hell haven't provided one iota of proof on this. And uh what fans would that be. I see Mike on here and no other Ravens fans. Oh, but I'm sure let you tell it, there are many, they just send you PM messages. I see. Talk about a sad pathetic joke. If these supposed Ravens fans laugh so much, why don't they ever engage me Coach? Because once again like your supposed accomplishments, this is a LIE as well. Want me to tell you all the people on this board that laughs at you and makes it known to everyone? Let's see: Curly, Mark V (so what he got banned), Medman, and Bells to name a few. And it seems I struck a nerve O'Leary with your wannabe Coach status. But hey GM and EOTAB can vouch for you right? LMAO!! And could not carry your jock strap? First off, you need to be a man - a REAL man to even have a jock strap. Don't bore me any more than you already do Coach, I'm more than sure that I'm a better athlete than you. And I did not even play football.

And this last paragraph of yours is funniest of all. You have no more than me or anyone else, and probably less. If anyone is delusional it is you. I don't go around trying to prove how knowledgeable or how great my accomplishments are. You know what they say about people like that Coach? When you have to brag and boast about yourself, it's usually all a LIE. And that's the truth. You claim to know so much but can't answer one stinking football terminology question. Nuff said about the wannabe "great" Coach B.

Oh this is just rich..A fan of a team that hasn't seemed to have any type of a workable game plan over a 14 game span is trying to question that of a playoff contender. It seems that the Bengals game plan works just fine against your sorry bunch that you cheer for.. You don't have to like the fact that I give props to Manning, but tell me what Clowns QB has had any performance of that nature in say..Oh the last 3 years???

Your post is the same goofy spin that has had a grip on Clowns fans all season.."Lets revel in every other teams losses because we don't have any WINS of our own to talk about". I haven't even posted much this season because responses like yours make you and folks like you look pathetic and completely incapable of giving the most remote of props to anyone who isn't unlucky enough to be in a Clowns uniform..(just look at your jab at Manning as proof)

Your team is sorry, They got swept by the Bengals (just like I predicted) They wont' win six games (just like I predicted) Your QB didn't make it through the season (just like I predicted) and Jerome Harrison is NO legend (unlike many of you predicted) Your whole organization and fan base is so desperate to hang on to any hint of positivity that all you can hope for is other teams outside of your division will take out the other three. Cuz as the knee-slapping funny Clowns have proven once again, they certainly aren't anywhere near capable of doing it themselves...To bad you'll probably ruin Troy Smiths carer in the process...

Again CurlyQ...making the play-offs 1 time in 20 years..because you won't make it this year(as I predicted)..does not give you much to go on when you try to put down another team..your pathetic Kitties have just as many runs into the play-offs as we do since 99...and you guys did not even sniff one for 2 decades prior.Enjoy your one and done..see you in another 20 years,,if you have not jumped off the bandwagon..oh wait..you will do that..your a Bungle fan..for now anyway!! <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

The only time 8-8 meant "playoff contender" was in a strike shortened season. <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Cramps. Oh Cramps Cramps Cramps, You truly are DENSE aren't you? GM's reply was easy to understand to everyone except YOU OF COURSE. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" /> Let me try to make what he said a little clearer, even for you. He's simply stating that at CERTAIN positions compared to last year, have been improved upon that hasn't necessarily shown up in the Won/lost column. Again---Overall Play at particular positions have shown some Improvement. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" /> See how easy that was?

Oh and please, spare us another War & Peace reply. Your dribble is already boring enough to sift through. <img src="/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

It's so sad it almost isn't funny, isn't it? Look at the way McAndre tries to lie and rewrite history in this very thread. Here is what I posted about upgrades in talent the Browns have made:

"The improvements in personnel is obvious to anyone that has a CLUE about football. Winslow is playing and will only get better as he gets healthier, same as Edwards. Travis WIlson is being brought along to make a quality WR corp. Hank Fraley was brought in and is a very good center. Bentley is one of the best centers/guards in the league and his return will only bolster the line. Wimbley is a solid player right now and will be an impact player for years. Jackson, see Wimbley. Leon Williams is showing that he may actually replace Davis at LB. Our safeties of Russell, Jones, and Pool are a very good combination and Pool and Jones will be there for years. Bodden is a lockdown corner. The OL and DL needs to be addressed and will be in this off-season"

Then he comes back talking about QB and OL. When I call him on it, he said he addressed them, never once discussing the upgrades I mentioned. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Now, look further down when he denies, yet again, that Ravens fans are making fun of him......then look at my sig that shows a quote from Mike, a Ravens fan, making fun of McAndre for working at McDonalds. This wasn't in PMs, this was posted on the board for all to see. McAndre is obviously so delusional that he refuses to face facts....whether it's about football, life, his career at McDonalds, or posters making fun of him. He embraces ignorance and denial and wraps himself in it like a warm blanket. It is truly pathetic.

We'll see about that. What a very Merry Christmas it would be to watch my family cry in their wine about the Bengals not making the playoffs. HAhahaahaha.

I am impressed with Sean Jones. Kid has played at a high level this year.

I am, too....actually pleasantly surprised. I think the secondary will be very good next year. The experience some of these guys got this year will give quality depth next year.

I don't think I can post slow enough for you to understand Curly.....see we are talking about the bungles here, not the Browns. I'm not the one bragging about being a playoff contender and pretending to give props to Manning because my team sucked. I never took a jab at Manning....you made a weak attempt at pretending you were praising him when indeed, you were trying to make it seems that your defense wasn't horrid. Talk about spin. <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

Why don't you worry and concern yourself more as to why your sorry team did not even DEFEND their SB championship this year. For most of the season, YOUR team was running neck-and-neck with the Clowns for last place supremacy. LMAO!! And after this weekend, it will all be academic where the Steelers are concerned. And once that is done, I will definitely make sure you know about it. As far as GM is concerned, you don't even have all of the facts about the debate we had going on last year about the Clowns so-called "improvement". He stated they IMPROVED from one year to the next. He did not mention anything about improvements in certain areas. He was speaking about the team in general. The arguement Mr. loud and wrong, centered around overall record, not position-by-position players. I could care less about positions. The game of football is all about TEAM. And either you are getting the job done as a TEAM, or you are not. And we all know the Clowns ARE NOT. Much like your sorry excuse for a team this year --- SEE HOW EASY THAT WAS?? ROTFLMFAO!!

<img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> Again Coach! IT'S ALL ABOUT WINNING!!! Maybe one day you will get a clue. Teams get respect and all the accalades of playoffs (as if you know what this means being a Clowns fan), division title (again as a Clowns fan you never experienced this either -- <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />), and championships because they WIN!! The Clowns can have LT at RB, Tom Brady at QB, and Steve Smith as a WR. Will anyone take notice of these improvements if the Browns finish 4-12? NOPE, ZIP, NADA, ZILCH!! And I love how you finally try to save face about admitting that your o-line blows. You say this will be addressed in the off-season? Miuch like it was "addressed" in the off-season this year and the year before that right? <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

And the reason Einstein that I did not address your babble about upgrades, is because in my opinion the Browns DID NOT upgrade. Your players this year overall were no better than last year as far as I'm concerned. Make sense now?? It's called DISAGREEING Coach. If you do not know what this word means, I'm sure with your lofty salary as a "Uh hem" Coach, you can afford to buy a dictionary.

And Mike making fun of me?? I do not see this in your sig. I guess you are the poster boy for perception being all about reality in your mind huh Coach? Well, the so-called "joke" would actually be funny if I really did ever work at McDonald. As I stated before, I've never worked at a fast-food place a day in my life. So your attempts at making fun of me, is as sorry and pathetic as the football team you root for.

How soon some forget.



Your team did not DEFEND their championship either. So what?



Its really funny because last year your team FINISHED in the Basement with the Clowns. So tone it down and act like you been here before.

Also as a side note, the Clowns have added some new talent, but I do not think as a WHOLE they have improved much.

Poor Clowns. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I love all this "last year" stuff. The difference is at LEAST in 2001, the Ravens made the playoffs and had the opportunity to DEFEND their SB championship. Will the Steelers make the playoffs THIS YEAR in an attempt to DEFEND their SB championship? <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Just thought I ask.

As far as finishing last with the Clowns a season ago, this is true. The Ravens however made the turn around this year and won the division. That works for me. And the Clowns are still languishing in the basement. That works for me as well.

...and the rest of your post is retarded...

You "haven't posted much" because the Bungles didn't dominate the league, like their fans thought they would.

Hmm. I don't think it's that big of deal in the long run. After the Pats won their 1st SB, guess what happened? They went 9-7 the next year and missed the playoffs. So did that scar them?

Also like you were saying earlier the only thing acceptable is winning. You guys won the Superbowl then got smacked by the Steelers in the playoffs. So you did not DEFEND your title.

We know the Clowns stink. My sanctuary is full to the brim with bitter Clown fans. I do respect them because for the most part they stayed loyal despite sucking for so long.

Like I was saying earlier, act like you have been here before.

How hillarious, you Sad Sack Cleveland Clowns talking smack about the Bengals losing to the Colts after you were SWEPT by the ENTIRE freakin division for the first time in franchise history. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" /> Here's a dose of reality for you, on a good day, NOBODY beats the Colts. I was hoping that we might get lucky & catch the Colts on a bad day but never "expected" the Bengals to beat them. I do think we have a chance to beat the Donkeys, we did it in 2004 on MNF so we've seen them before. Beating the Steelers may be tough but we've beat them in the last 2 regular season games & they may just be out of the playoff race by then.

At any rate nobody is jumping off the Bandwagon in Cincy but I understand they are diving off the wagon in record numbers in dirty old Cleveland town. <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

FEAR THE TIGER BABY!! <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

WHO DEY!!

-Med-