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In the NFL, many teams are bunched together, with a few truly elite teams.

What makes the difference? Making plays when at the end of the game. That's why these bad calls matter so much.

The bad replay didn't hurt us right there, because we scored after stopping the Hawks and then scoring to take the lead on the next possession. However, that refusal to overturn a fairly obvious call did hurt us later on a catch along the sideline that could have been reviewed, but we were out of reviews. The "blindside block" was one of 2 really bad calls on the very same drive. Could we have driven and won the game there? Who knows .... but we will never know, because that opportunity was stolen from us.

Game officials should face punishment for truly bad calls. If players and coaches are punished for complaining about the officials, then the officials should face punishment for screwing up fairly obvious calls.

Agree 100%.

Most mad I've been all season.

Freddie doesn't realize his responsibility is to win the game. That's it. Nothing more. Make your decisions with that as your foundation.

He's currently making decisions to showcase his talent as a coach and play caller.

Make decisions to win the game, not showcase Freddie.

Did he really say that?

I am usually fairly quiet during games. I don't cheer a lot or yell a lot. I take a more analytical approach. My wife and I normally watch the game on separate TVs because I don't like to talk during the game. I want concentrate on the game. However, at half time I went to the railing and called down to her about how dumb we were at the end of the first half. I was really, really angry w/how we managed the clock. I could not figure out why Baker was not winding the play clock down and why we were passing.

And come to find out that Freddie wanted the ball twice to Seattle's once?!?! You do this w/a double digit lead? Seriously?

Its a good observation. Part of the problem is his throws are tending to be a touch behind receivers, but the other thing is it appears that our WR aren't quite prepared for the velocity on Baker's throws. When was the last time anyone saw Beckham with 2 drops in a game? Two of the throws yesterday were tipped and picked off, and the would-be TD to Callaway vs the Niners likewise all had some stank on them. Maybe our WRs need to practice with the Jugs machine set up to throw a little behind them and the speed control set all the way up to 11. It also wouldn't hurt to get Higgins on the field, because he doesn't seem to have any issues catching Mayfield's throws. Last, and most important, Baker needs to work on not being late over the middle on his throws.

Edit: Sorry, I meant this to be a reply to Rish, but clicked EXCL ... I'm pretty new here.

Indeed.

It's an undisciplined, reckless mindset.

On the last two offensive series of the first half:

“I thought about scoring. I thought about scoring, using my three timeouts to get the ball back and score again. That was the mindset I was in.”

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/10...transcript.html

I was so angry that my wife and daughters and dog left the room. We also had our front door open. No telling what the neighbors thought. I'll probably get some strange looks next time a walk through the neighborhood.

I was driving home after the loss when I heard this. I almost drove off the road I was so pissed hearing that nonsense. It was a press conference so he could have been spouting off anything that came to he mind first. But if he really meant that....what a stupid thing to say/think.

Like I said..Freddie really needs someone on the sidelines that can veto some of his stupid things..like coaching the coach kind of thing. Or if guys like monken and Wilks can but aren't allowed to then that needs to change. Sometimes you just can't get out of your own way, it gets even worse as the results do. But you would think being in the league as long as he has, theres just situational norms that you do based on score, time on clock, position on field, down and distance. Things just about every coach does... we don't seem to do those things

Just normalcy for a Browns fan. Along with anger, frustration, disgust, a little depression, gas, bloating and heartburn. Always keep the tums and maalox at arms length especially as you get older.

The only knock I have on Freddie right now, he is babying these injured guys.

4 weeks for hammy for TWO different players? Higgins not even playing? Wasn't he the one saying Duke should dress when he was hurt on hard knocks last season.

I need some more information here, it's going to what 6 weeks of not playing for two players with hammys???? Far as I know they were torn or serous but every week they do not play?

yep Freddie's big intro in hard knocks was him agreeing with Haley that players unless seriously injured need to be practicing. Now Hue's driving the bus comment makes more sense. Easy to say something should be one way when you have zero accountability for the outcome

j/c...

Oh boy...

#FreeToddMonken

Doubling down on idiocy.

Well, we know it wasn't Higgins.

Game went south after the bad time management before the end of the 1st half.

I would be willing to bet that the play where 2 receivers ran into one another wasn't in the playbook either.

I don't think Freddie ever said that. I think he said "they should be dressed". In other words, wearing their uniform. Instead of sitting there in street clothes he felt they should be in uniform "at work".

I never saw him advocate that injured players should be practicing.

That's correct. He wanted players in uniform and in the position huddles, even if it was a veteran's day off.

everyone is injured during the season..look at tretter last year. 4 weeks for a hamstring on a 23 year old kid is absurd. He's babying the

All the talent.. but only 2 wins.. thats coaching my friend.

kinda correct. He still wanted injured guys that could still do something to work out on the side and do position stuff.. thats why he got rid of all the bikes etc this training camp.. He also said he didn't believe in punishing players for penalties like running laps or whatnot.. seems to be working..lol

way to bash your team in the media.. glass houses and all that

I remember that, they tried to say it was the camera angle that made it look like that.

At least they measured it though, there were a couple times this Sunday when runners went down right at the yellow line (I know the yellow line is unofficial but have you ever seen an instance where it was way off?)... nose of the ball barely at the yellow line and they don't measure. If it is a first down, it's not by more than a couple inches and they just award the first down and move on... seems odd for a sport that will stop the game for every freaking reason imaginable that a few more measurements during the game is suddenly a problem.

Yeah I noticed that too. Seattle's receiver caught the ball, right about at the first down marker. The first ref came up and actually gave us a favorable spot, about a foot short of the yellow line. I was thinking, "wow maybe we got a stop here." And then some other ref just signaled first down and they moved the sticks. No measurement or anything.

pint?

J/c

I wonder which WR ran the wrong route (whether on purpose or out of lack of knowledge) ... and more importantly, when it occurred. It may have led to an INT

My guess is that this was the play where we appeared to run a pick play on our own receiver, resulting in an interception. My next guess is that it was Callaway, because he seems to have a room temperature IQ.

After our 3 tds, we went all pass happy.

That was the mistake. They should have stuck with Chubb.

Terrible play calling.

1. Freddie needs to let go of the play calling and be the HC.

2. We need our injured DB's back

3. THE QB and WR coach needs to figure out why we are tipping Baker's passes to defenders.

4. I wonder who ran the wrong route? I would bet it would be Calloway or OBJ.

5. Freddie basically called his coaching staff/himself/team leaders for not making the talent a team.

6. We keep this hot garbage up... we will be 4-12 to 6-10.

7. We need to work on executing plays and not making dumb mistakes (penalities)

Isnt that on him?

he owes all of us a few