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First we have stupid watergate, then we get the most stupid stupid watergate, and now we have stupid ending friendship while losing 50 nukes to a tyrant.

Good game, Trump.

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Turkish lira rises as markets don’t take Trump’s tariff threats seriously

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/15/turkish-...n-expected.html

It’s ok, the majority of the US doesn’t take him seriously, either. We get it.


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Trump, seemingly out of nowhere, decides to tell Turkey that we are pulling out of Syria and will no longer support the Kurds.

Turkey, within days of that announcement, Attacks the Kurds which Trump said they'd do and that ISIS fighters in custody would get free and go back to Europe?

Then the Kurds turn to Assad (commie backed) for help and now feel that the Americans are Cowards.

Europe was thrown under the Bus by Trump with his statement about where the ISIS fighters might go.

Now Trump is saying he'll apply sanctions to Turkey if the attacks to cease, then says he's got it worked out and this morning on Live TV, we see nothing has changed. Turkey is still attacking Syria.

Will someone explain to me, who's the winner in this deal?

After thought, Did the Kurds, as we know them today even exist when the fight at Normandy took place?

Germany existed and they didn't help us at Normandy, should we cut off all contact with them also?

Who are out Allies now?

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Bottom line, Trumps decision to abandon the Kurds and to withdraw without conditions is a huge give away and victory for Putin/Russia.

Trump caved to Putin's desires by leaving the Northern Syria area occupied by the Kurds, knowing that once we abandoned the Kurds, Russia would take over that area.

We must realize that Syria/Russia are now "one", with both military forces working together.

With the Trump administration abandoning the Kurds, they were forced to make a deal with Syria/Russia to protect them against Turkey.

The image of the United States has been damaged, maybe beyond repair. Trump's actions have created an image of "distrust" as the U.S. can no longer be trusted to support it's allies when needed the most. Trump "abandoned" the Kurds but the United States and future Presidents will suffer too, trying to persuade future allies that the United States can be trusted.

The sad part, this entire move by Trump, on his own and without input from the military or anyone in the government, made the phone call to the Turkish leader, Erdogan...as part of a larger deal.

My guess, Putin is smart enough to know what would happen once Trump pulled our forces out...that Putin would have a green light to move in and plant the Russian flag in the area where the United States flag once flew.

That Russian flag will be in the Middle East forever and the oil and minerals under the ground will belong to Russia.

Trump is owned by Putin, willing to use our foreign policy to enrich Putin and Russia...the question is "WHY?".

Either Trump is indebted to Putin and trying to pay back his debt...

Or maybe the Trump is making deals with Putin to enrich himself and the family for future considerations.

Now that Trump has given Putin/Russia a foothold in the middle-east...

UP NEXT, THE UKRAINE !!!

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He’s playing trump like a rented cello.


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lol wth are they trying to do in that picture, shake hands?

You cant cross over and shake, side by side, your hand is always facing the wrong way. tongue


trump couldn’t figure it out either... even though everyone else obviously had.
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Maybe he couldn't figure out the cross hand thing, but he is the only one with a proper handshake format in the chaos. smile


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His improvisational skills don't lend themselves well to the Jazz bandstand.

It requires discipline, total mastery of technique, and the ability to think on one's feet. Operative word is "think," hence the break down.


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It's not just protecting their oil. It's protecting just about every ally we have in Europe too. Without that oil, their economies crash. I guess you would prefer to cede that area of the world to Iran's control.


Who have you been listening to? Saudi Arabia lost half it's oil production and gas went up what, about 20 cents a gallon? Saudi Arabia produces about 18% of the world oil. All of Europe isn't going to dry up on oil.

Now allowing ISIS to run free and run loose in Europe on the other hand. You may wish to refer to a map.


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The USA look like absolute clowns in this... Hard for this to look worse with how everything has shaken out and how Russia has inserted themselves.


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Fools on here would prefer we were at war with Turkey and losing thousands of American lives.

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Dontcha know? War is ok, but ONLY when its the war YOU want.

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The same crying snowflakes were crying that Trump was mean to NATO for not paying its bills.

Now they Cry Trump pulled our troops and we are not at war with a NATO country.

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Fools on here would prefer we were at war with Turkey and losing thousands of American lives.

you do make up some crap.

Your proposition is that the two choices would that America goes to war with turkey or we pulled out Of the region? Complete and utter tosh

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Did we get the nukes out of there, yet?

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Who knows. I'm surprised this president didn't just detonate them.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
The same crying snowflakes were crying that Trump was mean to NATO for not paying its bills.

Now they Cry Trump pulled our troops and we are not at war with a NATO country.


Once again it doesn’t take a stable genius to understand that he didn’t send these troops home as he said he was going to do. He pulled them out to Saudi Arabia to help protect his murderous oil king buddy who is killing off and starving his own people in his little ethnic cleansing operation.


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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...s-a9157621.html
Erdogan tells Trump that Turkey will ‘never declare ceasefire’ in northern Syria despite sanctions


...but trump told them to? I mean aren’t they afraid he’ll wreck their economy? Oh wait, he can’t become their president to do it like he’s doing it to ours.

https://www.axios.com/treasury-borrowing...329a744797.html
Treasury will again borrow $1 trillion to pay for tax cuts, spending


Well, I know it’s a long shot... but maybe he lied? Is there precedent for such a thing?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nyc-audi...&cid=gma_fb
Despite 2001 Vow, Trump Made No 9/11 Donations in Year After Attack, Audit Finds


Who’d have guessed?!?!?



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Heard Trump say "it's not our problem" in regards to Turkey invading Syria this morning... Then he justified this statement talking about the trillions spent on wars in the middle east... So his solution is to make us MERCs and sell our military services to the highest bidder. He pulled the troops out of Syria and sent them to Saudi Arabia because "they are paying us"...

I double dawg dare any of the boards Trump supporting posters to justify these actions/statements and still say they support the constitution and traditional values of America.

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As I said in my first post on the thread. This is Trump's single biggest failure and screw up as POTUS. Hard to fathom just how catastrophic this is. Latest is Pence and company flying to meet with Erdogan ... and Erdogan is going to stick his middle finget up at the USA and the VP in front of the whole world. Laughable and all preventable accept for the small brain and impulses of our Pres.


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Erdogan will not speak to Pence or Pompeo.

Trump this morning called his move strategically brilliant.




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Turkey and the Kurds will either negotiate to work out their differences or they will fight it out like they have for 200 years.

Their choice.

Meanwhile, our troops are safe.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Turkey and the Kurds will either negotiate to work out their differences or they will fight it out like they have for 200 years.

Their choice.

Meanwhile, our troops are safe.


Not a good look on you bro. Trump fled the field like a coward, abandoning allies, allowing a war between allies, allowing Russia, Syria, and Iran to take the lead and control of the territory. Then sent the 'safe' troops to fight for money.

But I see you are cool with all that, so no use in arguing with you.

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So you would rather our troops stayed and fought Turkey?
Maybe got killed to make a point we are brave and support our allies?


Easy to say while sitting on you couch.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
So you would rather our troops stayed and fought Turkey?
Maybe got killed to make a point we are brave and support our allies?


Easy to say while sitting on you couch.


I'd rather Trump left it alone and things would not have spiraled like this. There was no danger from Turkey and they would NEVER have attacked US troops or Syrian Kurds until Trump gave the green light. You know that but you feel the need to cover for the Dumbass-in-Chief.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
So you would rather our troops stayed and fought Turkey?
Maybe got killed to make a point we are brave and support our allies?


Easy to say while sitting on you couch.


Again with the made up fairy tale bull crap that has zero to do with anything happening in reality.

It's like saying "Would you rather Trump left Syria or have the USA nuked by Turkey?" .... yeah well if they were the only two options, I'd surely avoid being nuked. but the only reason turkey is ATTACKING IS BECAUSE DUMB P.O.S. TRUMP PULLED FORCES OUT - a decision that the GOP and DEMS universally condemned. Gosh - it's almost like Trump is trying to do things for Putin. smh

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Didnt Trump run on a campaign promise the he doesnt want to police the world?

Why is anybody surprised?

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Listening to Trump now with the Italian PM.

Got to hand it to Trump - he is a master at deflection and disinformation and giving his Trump Base fodder. Talking about how the last election was corrupt because of Clapper and Comey etc ! Again - Trump Supporters don't cara about facts and it's Trump above truth or country.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Didnt Trump run on a campaign promise the he doesnt want to police the world?

Why is anybody surprised?


Because with one simple idiotic move, Trump made the world less safe for decades.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
So you would rather our troops stayed and fought Turkey?
Maybe got killed to make a point we are brave and support our allies?


Easy to say while sitting on you couch.


I'd rather Trump left it alone and things would not have spiraled like this. There was no danger from Turkey and they would NEVER have attacked US troops or Syrian Kurds until Trump gave the green light. You know that but you feel the need to cover for the Dumbass-in-Chief.


Wrong.
Turkey was committed to pushing the Kurds 30 miles from their border and wanted American troops out of the way so they wouldn't get killed in the process.

Trump could stop Turkey with a war, leave our troops in that quagmire for the next two centuries, or get our troops to safety.

I think he made the wise choice.

Now we will punish Turkey with sanctions.

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Originally Posted By: mgh888
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Didnt Trump run on a campaign promise the he doesnt want to police the world?

Why is anybody surprised?


Because with one simple idiotic move, Trump made the world less safe for decades.


Right, the middle east was safer before Trump came along. rofl

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So you would rather our troops stayed and fought Turkey?
Maybe got killed to make a point we are brave and support our allies?


Easy to say while sitting on you couch.


I'd rather Trump left it alone and things would not have spiraled like this. There was no danger from Turkey and they would NEVER have attacked US troops or Syrian Kurds until Trump gave the green light. You know that but you feel the need to cover for the Dumbass-in-Chief.


Wrong.
Turkey was committed to pushing the Kurds 30 miles from their border and wanted American troops out of the way so they wouldn't get killed in the process.

Trump could stop Turkey with a war, leave our troops in that quagmire for the next two centuries, or get our troops to safety.

I think he made the wise choice.

Now we will punish Turkey with sanctions.


This christmas I hope we all chip in and help you buy a clue! Your "Wrong." couldn't be any more pathetic. This is one of the worst foreign policy decisions ever made by a US President, if not the worst.

He should never be allowed to have one-on-one contact with a world leader without strict adult supervision. And anyone, and I do mean anyone, who thinks that Trump makes sound decisions after this debacle should have their own adult supervision upgraded.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
So you would rather our troops stayed and fought Turkey?
Maybe got killed to make a point we are brave and support our allies?


Easy to say while sitting on you couch.


I'd rather Trump left it alone and things would not have spiraled like this. There was no danger from Turkey and they would NEVER have attacked US troops or Syrian Kurds until Trump gave the green light. You know that but you feel the need to cover for the Dumbass-in-Chief.


Wrong.
Turkey was committed to pushing the Kurds 30 miles from their border and wanted American troops out of the way so they wouldn't get killed in the process.

Trump could stop Turkey with a war, leave our troops in that quagmire for the next two centuries, or get our troops to safety.

I think he made the wise choice.

Now we will punish Turkey with sanctions.


This christmas I hope we all chip in and help you buy a clue! Your "Wrong." couldn't be any more pathetic. This is one of the worst foreign policy decisions ever made by a US President, if not the worst.

He should never be allowed to have one-on-one contact with a world leader without strict adult supervision. And anyone, and I do mean anyone, who thinks that Trump makes sound decisions after this debacle should have their own adult supervision upgraded.


And while you and others lash out with more "Hate Trump At All Costs" emotional garbage...

Our Troops are safe. thumbsup

“If Turkey goes into Syria, it is between Turkey and Syria. It’s not our problem,"
"The Kurds know how to fight. As I said, they are not angels.”
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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
So you would rather our troops stayed and fought Turkey?
Maybe got killed to make a point we are brave and support our allies?


Easy to say while sitting on you couch.


I'd rather Trump left it alone and things would not have spiraled like this. There was no danger from Turkey and they would NEVER have attacked US troops or Syrian Kurds until Trump gave the green light. You know that but you feel the need to cover for the Dumbass-in-Chief.


Wrong.
Turkey was committed to pushing the Kurds 30 miles from their border and wanted American troops out of the way so they wouldn't get killed in the process.

Trump could stop Turkey with a war, leave our troops in that quagmire for the next two centuries, or get our troops to safety.

I think he made the wise choice.

Now we will punish Turkey with sanctions.


This christmas I hope we all chip in and help you buy a clue! Your "Wrong." couldn't be any more pathetic. This is one of the worst foreign policy decisions ever made by a US President, if not the worst.

He should never be allowed to have one-on-one contact with a world leader without strict adult supervision. And anyone, and I do mean anyone, who thinks that Trump makes sound decisions after this debacle should have their own adult supervision upgraded.


And while you and others lash out with more "Hate Trump At All Costs" emotional garbage...

Our Troops are safe. thumbsup

“If Turkey goes into Syria, it is between Turkey and Syria. It’s not our problem,"
"The Kurds know how to fight. As I said, they are not angels.”
“We are not a policing agent...It is time for us to go home.”

-President of the United States of America
Donald Trump

Did you ever answer my question as to whether you would apply this same logic to the 25,000 troops we have standing between South Korea and a million NK troops? If you did, I didn't see it. Sorry.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
So you would rather our troops stayed and fought Turkey?
Maybe got killed to make a point we are brave and support our allies?


Easy to say while sitting on you couch.


Turkey didn't attack when we were there. they attacked when we pulled out. Trying to change those facts doesn't change the truth. Turkey didn't and wouldn't attack U.S. soldiers. That's why they never did.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Didnt Trump run on a campaign promise the he doesnt want to police the world?

Why is anybody surprised?


Because he turned around and deployed the same amount of troops in Saudi Arabia. So actually he's just policing a different part of the world. Why do people keep buying his BS?


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
So you would rather our troops stayed and fought Turkey?
Maybe got killed to make a point we are brave and support our allies?


Easy to say while sitting on you couch.


Turkey didn't attack when we were there. they attacked when we pulled out.


No kidding Captain Obvious.

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