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I think it's just when he gets the carries.

This has already been brought up before, but I think it bears bringing up now... and that's the apparent lack of someone that can line up and block like a traditional fullback. We seem to have a couple guys that can swing out and catch those short passes, but nobody that we feel comfortable with on lead blocks.

I agree ... yesterday we were up 20-6 and for some reason we went away from the run for a stretch ... just doesn’t make sense

I always hate seeing film like that

It's become a source of amusement for me to predict which tweets and graphics you will post and which ones you will not. My batting average is pretty damn good. LOL

Can you predict what I'm thinking of you right now?

Hey, sorry I've been away most of the week.. this is in reply to that last link you posted. I didn't read the article, but the highlights you wrote I think are what we've seen this season... unfortunately when this offense is under performing.

I remember last off season around the time that we started acquiring talent that there was some concern about the quality and depth of our LBrs and secondary. I actually wasn't because what we were putting together on offense (at least on paper) looked to me like an offense that could strike quick and get out in front early. Getting out in front early would turn the other team 1 dimensional and our defensive front could then pin its ears back.

But these first 6 weeks have shown me that we don't have the experience yet to pull that off. I'd even argue that we don't have the maturity to pull that off yet. Not just the players, but I'm not convinced that Freddie does either. Take for example this plan to score twice before the half instead of controlling the clock. He says he was being "aggressive". I read his handling as thinking it was an opportunity to run up the score.

Yes, on occasion you have the chance to run up the score in the NFL. But it doesn't happen because a team decides to start getting cute with its' play calling and clock management. It happens when a team executes it's game plan and the opponent shows they have no answer for it. That offense then simply continues to execute that game plan.

It also says to me that our coaching staff didn't fully appreciate what kind of team the Seahawks are. This is the 3rd game this season (Titans, Rams, and Hawks) that the other team stayed the course and ground it out for the win.

If our goal on Sunday's isn't simply to win, but rather to win with style points, this team will never learn how to win consistently.

My wife is a Colts fan so I get to see a goo number of their games. 2 weeks ago when they pulled the upset over the Chiefs, had to be one of the best games this season. Frank Reich had a plan, didn't blink, the Colts ground it out keeping Mahomes off the field and got a hard earned W. I've been very impressed with how Frank Reich has handled his team since he took over.

Approve of the scheme, except we are LOSING. There have been multiple games where our millionaire receiver, who is more interested in his watch and earrings than winning- he has caused several of Baker's intercepts because he wouldn't take the hit on slant route. He's a shela instead of a stud, per the Tuna. Baker is a one read QB that the D fences have figured out. He seems more interested in his brand, all the commercials and bitching at media, etc, etc....he's stunk and his I won't change for anyone...he reminds me of a little Napoleon, huge little man issues- yes, he set records last year, but now he's what the record indicates...probably 2-5 when the "soft portion of the schedule coming up"- including 2 games against the Steelers who we haven't beaten in how long....I hate our coaching emphasizing being MOST physical...yeah, we lead the league in penalties, but we tough....if any team qualifies as most stupid, got to be US....GO Browns!!! Hope we win the bye.

lmdao!

Interesting stats. How impacted are they, if at all, with the penalties and turnovers and fumbles. re they only compiled by personnel and formation exclusively. This is thought provoking; either not much or enough self-scouting, or we ignore it completely. Not sure which of those options are more troubling. Let's at least fail in new directions while doing some new things.
Just saying.
Go, Browns anyhow.

This is not new information. The team had success out of 12 personnel last year too. At this point we shouldn't expect anything to change.

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What are the number out of 01 Personnel? Cause I feel like it's in the single digits of success rate, and we still use it quite a bit.

This link includes both personnel grouping frequency and personnel grouping success.

https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/personnel-grouping-frequency.html

Well, it claims we've only run "10" 3 times at a 33% success rate. But I forget that this tracks actual personnel at the start of the play, so when we motion the RB out of the backfield, it still counts as an 11.

J/C

Maybe someone brought this up already, but I don't remember seeing it.

Am I the only one worried about what we are going to do when Hunt is active?

I mean, lets be honest, the Offense is a mess - Freddie and staff don't know how to get to the ball to the players we have right now, then you add in another superstar that's going to want touches. I think this could be another backfire tbh.

It seems that the system is designed to spread the ball around. Just look at how many different targets that the ball is being given to. The fact that those plays aren't being executed seem to be more of the problem.

Here is our scheme......

I’m sure everyone is as confident as I am about integrating Kareem Hunt into the offense optimally.

J/c

Looking at breakdowns of the final offensive play:

- Landry ran his route too deep. It was a mesh route and he had space more shallow for a much easier path to a first down

- Baker hesitated, patted the ball, and was late on his throw to Landry. He looked OBJ’s way initially, then came back to Landry.

- OBJ did beat Harris

- Our OL caved a bit, but Baker had time and should have completed it

Words cannot express my confidence adequately. Amazed at the amount of talent we added
(and I will admit to drinking the koolaid and being giddy and overly optimistic at the start of this season) and have neutered on this team. As amazing as it is bad.

Used to sell some stereo retail when younger and components were the rage. Upgrades were great to make a decent system better. But we preached that the system had a limit to it. It could never be better than the lowest part of the chain. Great stereo and turntable through lousy speakers meant lousy listening. Great speakers with incredible range can't produce the high and low ends if the sound sources don't produce those ranges.
Looking at our offense as played yesterday, which is the lowest performing part of the chain? Take a little time with this; it will reliably start to show the fix. And IMO, the "fix" hasn't adequately addressed the problem components. Apparently not up for consideration or we would show improvement, like tackling. The maddening thing is this looked like a handful of previous losses this year. I still think we need tackles.

The two KEY short yardage plays without the leagues weekly rushing average leader in the game is all I need to see. He either gets the ball or he's a serious decoy. Fred isn't too bright...

The fact Chubb wasn’t in the game is a massive indicator that FK ain’t it

Hunt isn't going to solve our problems. He might even add to them as it would take away carries for Chubb. NC has been our best player game in, game out...

he will likely take them from Hilliard

You mean "Hillyard"...

No? unless you are using GPS to pronounce his name.

J/C

Why is it teams can seemingly put ANYONE at QB, and at least have a decent chance? JAGS, DEN, CAR, PITT, and the beat goes on. Meanwhile we cant do anything with a #1 pick?

IMO there are two reasons, culture and offensive line. Plain and simple.

Coaching as well ... I’m convinced Kyle Shanahan would have us at 6-2 or better

Perhaps, but we would still be giving up around 150 yards a game on the ground with this putrid defense.

Defense sucks too, but it’s tougher to keep a team off balance when you’re trailing. IF our offense could perform better and have the lead, our D could be in control more too

Those few touches likely won't keep Hunt happy...

Cue issue #1,000

he's on a 1-year depth chart loaner anyway. who cares.

he came back to rehab his career. He will be a starting RB somewhere else next year

j/c...