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So last week I placed my order for the model 3 performance. Paid my deposit and my portal said within 2 weeks..I'm like sweet. I'm an impatient person when it comes to cars.. I research the hell out of what I want and then I pull the trigger. I do this several times a year..lol. But anyways, so a week goes by and still don't have a VIN and noone can tell me anything. I go into a dealership yesterday and they said, oh yean they changed everything today. Basically without warning all the vehicles went up 1k in price and now they say for my version its 8-10 weeks. Go on my portal and it just says we'll call you..no time estimate now..plus showed my price went up 1k. Shouldn't have since I had a contract/deposit so working through that but man As great as their cars are, I'm thinking they should have spent some more time on the infrastructure of what it takes to actually mass produce cars, from the plant, to forecasting, to customer service. Anyone else have an experience like that with Tesla?

The only thing I've heard from real live Tesla owners is how much they love their cars.. I've had the pleasure of riding in and driving a Model S.. and my goodness is that thing quick, quiet and smooth...

Maybe it's just me, but it may be worth the wait.

First of all I'm surprised to hear you are impatient. Would have never guessed that.

Second, I don't have a Tesla but would consider it for fuel savings. I fill up at least once a week to drive to and from work. I've ridden in several and they are nice.

Third, I don't think they can legally do what they are doing if you have a contract. I would look into canceling the order.

No, but if you would’ve asked first, I’m sure others would’ve told you about it.

Hell, I could’ve told you how much of a train wreck telsa’s Delivery system is. They’ve been had trouble meeting orders for years now, which is one of the many reasons why their stock price dropped 100+.

And how much did you end up paying for the model 3? We’re you not aware that Porsche just dropped their electric car called the taycan? Not only will it be better built than a Tesla, it still has that sports car feel to it, because it’s a Porsche. They have way better infrastructure and logistic management to properly roll our their vehicles as well.

For the car guys I roll with, you basically just bought an electric version of the Chevy Cruze. Congrats, I guess.

lol chevy cruze..lol thats funny and totally not accurate. The taycan isn't even in the same stratosphere as tesla..for the price of a taycan, you could buy a model s P100D and still have money left over for a GT350. Not to mention its very similar in performance to the OLD version of the S, the new S stomps it in every single category, plus the taycan has less range, slower charging, and no charging infrastructure

I paid 56k for my model 3 performance. 0-60 in 3.2 stomps cars 3 times the price in the 1/8, 1/4 and 1/2, with track mode it showed out better than the new BMW M3. So yea, not exactly a chevy cruze..

yeah my Delivery specialist said they think its just a glitch on the website

Stop.

The taycans that just dropped are the high end versions. They alresdy plan on releasing a lower tier model that will be cheaper in price to the P100D version of the model S.

Which then begs the question: why didn’t you just go with the model S? You have a freaking Z06 and run with the GT350....so you roll with a Model 3?

And you’re proving how stereotypical American car buyers are, because yea, 0-60 time is the be all end all to car performance. And then on top of that, somebody didn’t do their research, as you can only launch in the Tesla but so many times before the battery either drains, overheats, or both. Lmfao good lord lead, step your game up.

no, you're proving you don't really know anything about the EV cars...the taycan is a boutique car...it will never be a mass production car like the S...thats like comparing a chevy cruze to a model 3... and FYI, the model 3 I bought is a mileage car..i bought to drive to and from work and save 300/mo in gas..and if you think the model 3 is just about 0-60 then you might want to do more research on it, because you are clueless.. The race mode was tested and tuned by randy pobst...if you don't know who that is, i rest my case..but for your viewing pleasure

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-...d-circuit-test/


oh btw...the new Model S, stomped the taycan at the ring..so

and the cheaper one they are releasing won't touch a model s performance..hell they can't even touch the model 3 performance for triple the price. They actually call them turbo and turbo S..someone tell porsche you can't turbo an EV..

i clearly know more about EV cars than you do. you talking about 0-60 times in a model 3.

lol.

you forgetting build quality and such, which you clearly ignored in the first post i mentioned. you also forget how cheap the Tesla's interiors are.

Porsche's new EV car is so epically designed and built, that:

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/112...y-tesla-drivers

most of the pre-orders are from....Telsa drivers

and THATS why we BMW drivers called the tesla model 3 a EV version of the cruz. cause its a poor mans version of the real deal. the quality is trash in the model 3. you paying 56+k on a car that has the same - or even INFERIOR- interior quality of a honda accord, which will run you maybe 30k fulled loaded.

https://www.electrive.com/2019/07/29/porsche-reveals-number-of-pre-orders-for-taycan-ev/

its the new kid on the block, and it already has 30k+ in pre-orders. that just blew a massive hole into your horrible statement about it never being a mass production car.

Porsche already starting building a new EV factory in Germany for that sole purpose.

and damn, i forgot. you have the new Audi E-Tron SUV that just dropped, as well as their sedan version thats dropping soon.

and the fact that you're laughing at badges despite you buying a car with the basic badge of "model 3" is indeed funny.

Tesla Model 3 Loses CR Recommendation Over Reliability Issues

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reli...ability-issues/

when i was working in car sales, you're the dude we use to PRAY would walk into the door. you can literally just google the model 3 and see all the issues people are reporting about it.

nevermind the trash delivery system, which YOU JUST MADE A POST COMPLAINING ABOUT.

have fun with that model 3 bruh lmfao

What's a Tesla?????????????

Buy a Volt

::ducks::

yeah...you know absolutely nothing about EV..you're comparing a 200k car to a 35k..lol

30k orders..lol bfd..Model 3 is the fastest selling sedan in US...the taycan is a joke..noone will buy after the novelty wears off...can't charge them anywhere..can't go anywhere outside of your suburb with its crap range and extensive charge time...its hilarious you think you made a point with all that garbage..

oh look i can post articles too.. https://cleantechnica.com/2019/10/06/tes...ries-sales-usa/

selling triple the trash BMW 3 series.. if a car is 200k it better be well built. And nice ignoring my articles about model 3 track capability or how the new model S smashed the taycan at the ring.... How many taycans have actually been dropped? way to post a year old article...lol...200k car has less range than a 35k car with more features.

oh just more proof you're clueless about anything tesla.. The model 3 is a word play, as is all tesla models.. just go away.. i asked a question about current tesla owners.... oh let me know when you buy your porsche


just going to leave this here:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chucktanner...n/#463e96cfc494

Oh and BTW..the model 3 pre-order numbers....400,000. 30k ohh big deal. And if you want to compare the taycan't to a tesla..pick the roadster, thats the price range..and the roadster kills it in every single category

my guy went from a Z06 to a model 3, and then got mad about it.

lol, you paid for it cause it said "tesla" on it. could've saved 25k and got an accord. atleast you wouldnt get clowned for it lolololol

lemme know when wifey tells you to trade in the mustang for a kia serento.

Are the two cars really comparable though? One is like $150k+ and one is $35k.

except lead is paying 56k+, so i dunno where you're 35k is coming from.

and from his own post, looks like its gonna be more than 56k, with a longer wait.

should've just got the model S if he wanted the T badge so much.

and besides, no one is comparing the Z06 to a freaking model 3. which is why i brought up the porsche and model S in the first place.

both EV's, both 4 door sedans. the Z06 comment comes from the fact that he constantly talks about performance in his rides, and then goes to....a model 3.

As a guy that just wants a car to take me from point 'A' to point 'B' with no issues, I think ALL new car prices are nuts. I can't imagine paying 100K + for a car. Not me. And I mean even if I had all the money in the world I wouldn't do that.

I would like to see you guys that really know cars break down all the ALL electric cars though to see quality build/functionality/warranty-wise which one is the best bang for the buck.

j/c:

As long as we are on the subject/related:

Tesla's $2billion China 'Gigafactory' which covers the size of 121 football pitches may begin production 'within days' as the US automaker 'aims to make 3,000 cars a week at the plant by the end of the year'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...s.html#comments

I call BS. If your long lost great uncle left you $10B in inheritance, you're telling me you wouldn't buy a luxury car. BMW, Mercedes, Bentley, Lambo, Porchse, any classic car, something? You'd be the dude worth $10B driving a '95 Nissan Sentra because it's a sturdy car that gets you from A to B. Seriously?

I wouldn't. I have zero interest in any of that. Would I buy a new vehicle? Yes. But a luxury car or high performance vehicle still wouldn't interest me.

I have no problem for those who enjoy that type of thing and purchase such vehicles. I mean to each their own.

However I do understand the point you're trying to make. I would certainly own a new Yukon if I were in that tax bracket and a nice electric vehicle for local driving. Nothing that would be in the category of a luxury electric vehicle, but something nice.

A very large chunk of the consumer base is like that. It’s not just affordability as to why brands like Toyota, Honda, and others rule the market.

A lot of people just don’t care about too many bells and whistles, especially since in some brands, those are expensive options with even higher cost of fixing/maintenance.

We've had this discussion before. Some say they would go buy 5 cars and 3 houses with $10B (and it would barely make a dent in that bankroll). Others say they would pay off their current house and put a set of new tires on their 2003 Mazda. I've always called BS on the latter. We're not talking $100k or even $1M....$10B. You could give $100M away to a charity and still never spend it all in your lifetime, so the concept of not paying more than $50k on a car seems ridiculous.

Sure, if you don't like luxury cars because they look ugly or don't fit what you'd want to do with them, but the "that's too much money to spend on a car" doesn't matter when you're the 5th richest person on the planet.

10 billion wouldn't even put you in the top 20 by a long shot.

Michael Dell ranks 25th at a net worth of 31.2 billion.

but thats still based on a person's desire and taste.

there's millionaires who have modest looking homes. there's people in the middle class who have taste in more expensive homes. that just based on desire and taste on the individual.

there's people who like big ass houses, but will never buy anything more expensive than a honda, simply because they do not value vehicles in that manner. you see people like that here in NE ohio all. the. time.

the amount of money one has doesn't necessarily change who that person is at the core, it just either amplifies or reduces one's financial spending based on desire.

i like expensive rides. but you'll never see me buy a pair of jeans worth more than 75 bucks.

then their are people like my homeboy, who will buy 300 dollar pair of jeans, but doesnt need anything more than a charger r/t for under 30k.

I don't totally disagree with you but most of those millionaires with modest stuff grew into being a millionaire over time.. heck being cheap is probably one of the ways they did it..

That's totally different than going from middle/lower class to being a billionaire in one day. That's what messes with people's minds and usually causes them so much trouble.. no time to adjust.

I wouldn't buy a big ass house, don't need one. I would however have multiple reasonable sized houses in cool places... I also wouldn't buy a bunch of 6 figure cars.. but I would have nice cars at each house....

Even if you didn't make a dime in interest, with $10 billion.. you could spend $9 million PER WEEK for 20 years and still not run out of money... Normal people (like me) can't even comprehend stuff like that.

I wouldn't.
I'd use my influence to rent or borrow one for the thrill of the experience. But to own one? Why?

I already know where I'd place my money, and it isn't in a car.

It’s going to be 56k. Confirmed today the info on site wasn’t updated for current orders. Again I’m not going from anything to anything. I am buying a commuter car. Has nothing to do with any of my other cars. And the fact that you think a model 3 performance isn’t performance shows you really don’t know much about it.. you are talking about wait times and then bring up a car that hasn’t even rolled a single on off in production and won’t for a year in the US . The cheap model of the Taycan is still over 100k and won’t be awd and has worse performance and range than the model 3. You made this about Porsche vs Tesla. Which is no comparison in the EV world. Tesla is superior. They have been doing it longer and have the charging infrastructure in place. But my point is for me it’s not about Porsche ve tesla. I simply wanted input from anyone else that may have bought one. I love Porsche. I had a old 944 turbo that was fun as hell to drive. Have nothing but love for them. But comparing mass production against a boutique car isn’t fair. The model 3 is a great all around EV designed by a tech company for the masses. And it does that very well

so now i have even more questions than answers you just given.

i was simply talking about performance, which the porsche compares to the model s, not the model 3. you're the one crying about the increase in wait time for your ride, so i brought up the fact that you could wait for something better.

i mean damn dude. my first post to you was about the delivery system. you literally brought up in your OP:



which is funny about your latest post bringing up porsche's lack of infrastructure when they are just dropping the EV line, starting building the factory to mass produce, and already have started charging station developments in the US.

you keep telling me you bought it just for the mileage, yet continue on about its performance.

Tesla is superior only because they were the first to really make it work. but what does that mean in the long game? Thats like the guys who only buy apple because they were the first to do it, even though some of these samsung/android models are now better than some of the new iphone models.

i simply told you there are better options if you really want an EV that doesnt have a cheap build to it. and you got offended for whatever reason.

and whats even more funny is that you're talking about it for strictly commuting use, not anything else. which means you wont drive it long enough during the day to drain the battery anyway....

in ANY EV. the model S is a better bang for your buck, and i would even go with the Audi E-Tron or Jaguar I-Pace before i messed with the poor interior quality of the model 3.

and i hope you purchased the two year supercharging option. cause if you didn't, then you REALLY need to stop harping on EV range like it matters in a strictly commuter car. if you're not pulling 200+ miles a day 5 days a week, i dont want to hear it.

ill say it a last time: i think there are better options that provide more bang for buck than a model 3.

oh, and lead:

Porsche Taycan Bested the Tesla Model S in 3 Different Ways During a German Comparison Test

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/porsche-taycan-bested-tesla-model-234501477.html

Porsche is just getting started.

me personally, in the next 2 years, im trading in my M6 for either the Taycan or the new BMW M8 Gran Coupe.

I don't have anything against luxury cars. I'd own one. But I wouldn't pay 100K for it period. No way. Even 10 Billion wouldn't make me stupid with my money. I'm just not that into cars. I'd uber everywhere before I spent that much on a car.

You have to look at it like this, I have owned nice cars that drew attention. I'm over that. I'm older now and I couldn't care less about that sort of thing. Now house is a different thing because I spend more time at home. That I would go a little overboard on with 10B. And if I ever just had to have a luxury car for something, I'd rent or hire one.

The first millionaire I ever personally knew wore bib overalls and stained white tee shirts everyday. Everyday.

He started out as a farmer and never left his farm. Died there and left his money to his kids. And he only ever worked as a farmer to boot. But he saved and invested in other businesses.

He backed a local guy building strip malls when they first became a thing. He got into business with a local storage outfit when those became a thing. He outright owned half a dozen or so convenience store/gas stations.

And he did it with an 8th grade education. If you ever saw him you would not have believed it. Think Junior Samples from Hee Haw, that was what this guy looked like everywhere, everyday.



Money doesn't always change people, especially those who have experienced real hardship.

If you had 10B would you still be for a 70% tax increase to take care of people who are here illegally?

I would still believe we have an obligation to help people who cannot help themselves regardless of the reason. I'd also still believe that we would be stronger with a well educated workforce, medical coverage for all, family friendly programs for child rearing, without homelessness or hunger... So even though I sound like Jesus telling you to love thy neighbor; I think I would be okay struggling to live on a mere 3 billion.

Bernie says you shouldnt have any billions. Congrats. Now you get 30K.

j/c

Only here can you be having a car discussion and someone bring politics into it. And in the wrong forum for politics no less.

It's wine thirty again.

Just curious, how long do you plan on keeping this car? at 56K, if you only bought it to save gas money (300 a month) - you would need to keep it for 15 years to break even …..

Agreed, I just did a refi on a honda accord - the lady makes 32K a month gross - with a DTI of like 3%.

She was happy as a clam to get her accord.

I just purchased my first house earlier this year, so my perspective could be in the middle of a 180, but cars always did it for me. Now, as I've gotten into my early and mid 30's, I have no interest in the hyper performance cars. They really don't do it for me at all. Nowadays I'm digging the fun to drive, unique, and still somewhat practicle cars. I just picked up an '11 BMW 328xi wagon with 3 pedals. Easily the coolest car I've ever owned (not a high bar, but I was driving around a Subaru STi for a while).

Point is, I came to the realization that you may have to overspend a little, but not a lot to get a car that does it for you (if it's cars).

Actually not even close. I mean you would have to factor in he would be buying a new car anyway. So you would have to factor in the money he would be spending on a different car. Let's use half the price of the Tesla for example. 28k. Factoring that into it it would take half the time to break even.

Plus you would have to factor in there is a $7500 tax credit for buying an electric vehicle.

Break even on hybrids when I compared same models in hybrid vs non has always worked out in the 8-10 year range at 10k miles annually.

Variables are always how much you drive, and the cost of gas where you live.

My neighbor just got a new Lexus SUV to replace their hybrid, meticulous record keepers, so he took their records and put them in a spread sheet, and found over the 7 years they owned the hybrid, did not cover the extra cost of the hybrid. So this time they got the non-hybrid.