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But, as Browns fans we are never happy because some in here are already calling Baker a bust, wanting Freddie fired and questioning Dorsey.

AU...I'm not a fan. Portland lost last night and were eliminated so yeah....it's yours to win (or lose). Good luck.

I missed your question. My opinion is that only evangelical Christians would have an issue with his sexuality, and they aren't going to be Dems anyway. There's plenty of Christians who accept gays. Being a Christian is more of a spectrum of belief than a hardline. Not everybody feels the same about every issue and the bible is very much open to interpretation. If it wasn't there wouldn't be so many different denominations.

He is a Democratic candidate, so his first challenge is winning with Dems, which has a weaker Christian base. I'm not sure he can win the Dems. I find him very likable and sensible, but the Dems would likely want a more experienced candidate.

Even if he won the nomination, I don't feel his sexuality would be an issue in the election. Only for a subset of Christians would it be an automatic Nope. There are also plenty of Repubs who feel Trump is wacked.

Fair enough and good, thoughtful reply. Cheers.

I asked because I have read and heard from many that Pete "would never have a chance because he's gay". I get that the Dems aren't winning the hardcore Trump voters no matter who they nominate, but they are not the ones the Dems are targeting. But, if there are moderates/on the fence Christian voters out there who wouldn't vote for Pete simply because of his sexuality...that is wrong (same w/not voting for somebody simply because of race or gender).

I'm happy with the Browns this season, regardless of what it going on in this forum. I'm not happy with the losses and have my opinions, but I am thrilled to have a team that is finally competitive and moving in the right direction, even if some parts need tweaking.

I go read reddit when this forum is being stupid. The Browns and AU subreddits are generally happy nice feel good places to be.

Sorry Portland lost. That sucks. Two of AU's defensive starters are injured, so I'm not sure how far we will get.

Belief and Faith in God are supposed to decline.
Just read the last book of the Christian Bible, Revelations.

Things are progressing exactly as we were told they would.

God is gonna flood the earth again and have a family committing incest in order to repopulate the planet?

[EveDawg]: "My boots need cleansing. Show me your tongue, worm..."

According to pornhub, yes.

You ever read the Song of Solomon in the Bible?

Christian were on they freaky stuff back in the day.

No, but maybe I should go read that lol

Might as well give it up Eve. Lefties get very angry when they say something stupid and get called out on it....Remember a couple of years ago when they were saying Trump is worse than Hitler. I don't remember Trump killing 6 million of anything.

Yet the KKK claim Christianity. White supremacists claim Christianity. Don't pretend you don't have your share of wacko's clinging to the bible.

Well the GOPers and Eve showed up in EE and managed to make this political and get it moved. Had I posted it in here to begin with they would have cried it wasn't political.

Yeah.... but their presidents J.V. team is well on their way to slaughtering that many people with the backing of their dem leadership ,THE SQUAD, Wheres the outrage

I ask the same question about Trump violating the constitution and all I get from you guys are crickets.

Weak very Weak sir.

I know. It isn't the second amendment so you don't care.

But to put to try and talk about the squad as slaughtering people is even weaker.

Not surprising.. the fastest growing religion in the United States is faith in the federal government. That's where the weak look to fix all of their problems for them.

Because we’ve lost faith in exploitative unfettered capitalism.
I don’t look for the federal government to “solve my problems”. I look for them to spend OUR tax money on US. It’s really quite simple actually.


Addendum: I’d say the fastest growing religion is lust for money. Greed. Raising billionaires to saint like status while they hoard money. Charlatans like Joel Olstein and his nonsense prosperity gospel filling people’s heads with money=Godly. No talent skanks like Kim Kardasihan being paraded as celebrities in front of us... for being wealthy but producing nothing. We’ve made being wealthy THE marker of our individual success.
Meanwhile if you’re not wealthy you’re essentially looked at as undeserving of healthcare, a home, food, etc. “If you don’t pull your own weight”... blah blah blah.
There’s enough resources to go around. We have a billionaire problem in this country. Not a resource problem.

OCD you made it political. Please keep tabs on your own self so I don't have to.

If that dude proved to you all trump was guilty of his crimes you’d all go “fake Jesus”

Lol The pope controlled politics for centuries in Europe. Religion is used by deplorable people to control other people. That’s Politics sis.

Nobody "has to". It's more a voluntary thing.

And who made this thread? The dude pointing fingers.

Um, no I didn't. PDX mentioned far right evangelicals acting like taliban and I said I didn't consider them Christians. I said nothing political. PDX brought up far right, but that was still not an attempt to make it political IMHO.

He's talking about religious people....
You're talking about politics as in:

How is that political?

You dont think discrimination based on sexuality, race, or heritage is political content? He brought it into the discussion, so he made it political.

Maybe I need to draw it in crayons for you.

I guess you missed how much of that can easily be seen as values vlues and beliefs that a certain part of Christian society has been based on I can't help you.

You do realize that organizations like the Klan hold a Bible in their right hand. That many racists claim to be Christians. That many Christians do not want to allow gay people into their churches. That many Christian families disown members of their own family when they find out they're gay.

Now this certainly does not include all Christians. Far from it. But it most certainly does represent the beliefs of a certain portion of so called Christians.

Now you can read politics into that if you so choose. But to claim it doesn't also represent a certain portion of Christians would indicate it may be you who needs the crayons.

I stopped reading at Klan. I dont really consider your posts worth reading. Its always a bunch of word vomit and twisting something into something its not.

If you cant follow the bouncing ball, I can't help you. And its not worth my time to explain simple reading comprehension to you.

And you call my posts word vomit? Try reading the one you just posted.

Nothing of substance, no discussion, only personal insults.

You're a real pip Edith.

Perhaps in an effort to get this back on track...

On one hand I see the Christian church is shrinking and I think, "Good".. because a lot of them are so fake and so un-Christ-like that it's embarrassing to see them claim the same faith as me.. unfortunately I don't think they are the ones that are leaving.. I think it's the more sincere ones who are fed up with being associated with the loud mouths and the haters..

On the other hand, if the Christian church is shrinking, it's their own fault... for not acting like the "church" that Christ established.

Christ challenged the early church to go change the culture in the image of God and create believers... the modern church has decided that the best way to create believers is to make the church more comfortable, to the point that it mirrors the failing culture that it was supposed to change. The church doesn't really stand for anything, it's wishy-washy and weak and is afraid to take a stand on anything.. because it's afraid to make anybody upset.

We have a new pastor at our church and she has been a breath of fresh air.. she challenges you. Shortly after arriving she allowed the congregation to submit suggestions on what they wanted to hear about and the overwhelmingly most common answer was that people wanted to be challenged, they wanted to hear the WORD of GOD, especially the parts that make you uncomfortable..

I've been going to church probably 40-45 weeks a year for decades and I can't remember the last time I heard the word "hell" used in a sermon.. it's just become the un-PC thing to discuss.. it's "judgemental".. it's condemning... well if you believe it's real, then you damn sure ought to be talking about it.. but nobody does.

Instead you leave church every Sunday feeling good about yourself, checked the box and went to Church.. don't need to change anything because every sermon is a YOLO, I'm ok you're ok, just be a nice person, Jesus loved everybody kind of message... because that's what the pseudo-believers want to hear and we don't want to risk ticking them off for fear they might not come back, might stop dropping that $20 in the offering plate..

Well, it's hard to get excited about following somebody who doesn't really stand for anything and consistently shifts with the culture... if I get the same message all week that I get in church, "Just be a good person".... I might as well sleep in on Sunday.

If enough churches went back to preaching the word of God, the good parts, the challenging parts, the uncomfortable parts, the parts that EXPECT SOMETHING OF YOU.. they might lose another 30% of the congregation... then I would most certainly say, "Good".

The Church was also supposed to hold a significant role in social services. Charity. Helping the less fortunate in the community. Feeding the poor. Clothing the poor. Humbly doing the continuation of Christ’s actual works.
Now for many, it’s a money vacuum. With leaders such as Joel Olsteen living in lavash houses and driving fancy cars, flying in private jets.... while closing their church doors to hurricane victims.
They are the antithesis of Christ. They’ve done destruction to the Church through their actions. Turning off many from all organized religion.
They, the Olsteen’s of the world, will have their reckoning.

Um no... I was describing the fringes of the church like westboro but there are many of them in different flavors. And I can see how you might think it was political since the same people tend to support the same politicians that you do. But that's a you problem, not a me problem.

Which, in reality, still happens a lot more than people think.. people who aren't associated with a church probably never see it.. I don't think it's any big surprise that as the government moved more and more into the business of taking care of every societal need, as that has become the focal point of every campaign... that the willingness of the congregation to do it slipped.. it shouldn't have, but it did.


Pretty sure hell has a special section for charlatans like him... and it's really sad how people like him take advantage of the elderly... it's sickening.

And I tend to agree with you. By and large I feel that Christians have the best of intentions.

There are fringe elements of Christianity and the televangelists that get a lot of the attention which non Christians see. It gives a warped sense of what most Christians stand for.

And I also believe that you're right in that many churches certainly do not bridge the tough subjects which the Bible contains within its text.

I have to say I do admire Christians like yourself who are charitable and kind to the less fortunate and not so quick to judge others that do not believe such as you do.

I wish there was more of that and less of the other.

Exhibit A as to why the number of Christians are dropping in this country

Right-wing pastor says Trump supporters will 'hunt down' Democrats when he leaves office

https://news.yahoo.com/wing-pastor-says-trump-supporters-165700816.html

Y’all Christians want to know why there’s such a huge decline!

Thanks to social media, we now get the news from everywhere. These factual articles shows that the literally the one thing saving us from being a hellhole religious country like those in the Middle East is the US constitution.

If it wasn’t for that, you Christian taliban losers would be pulling the same crap the extremist do over there.

Hell, y’all already do it. Look at this pastor’s comments. And it’s not even close to being an isolated incident in this country. Ya, getting hunted down cause I don’t like this trash ass President is really gonna want me to develop a relationship with a Christian god.

Sure.

You're painting with a broad brush. Was that on purpose?

Pretty sure hell has a special place for those who support lies, and cover for a deplorable racist pos like trump also. I can hear St Peter right now. “Hola Amigos”