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gm, I'm going to go out on a limb here but I'm guessing you've never been a young black boy from the inner city, have you?

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gm, I'm going to go out on a limb here but I'm guessing you've never been a young black boy from the inner city, have you?

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Nope but some of my best friends were/are (well small town I hate big city's) Are you going to tell me their opinions don't count because they are not from the inner city

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gm, I'm going to go out on a limb here but I'm guessing you've never been a young black boy from the inner city, have you?

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He was, back in 421 B.C.

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gm, I'm going to go out on a limb here but I'm guessing you've never been a young black boy from the inner city, have you?

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He was, back in 421 B.C.

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GM said: "That's how I roll..."




Note GM: I like the 22's

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When Black athletes like Vick make it into the limelight and are successful, it gives Black children and adults something that they can strive for,

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What makes the difference what Vicks skin color is

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Because there AREN'T often times where you get a Condeleeza Rice or a Barack Obama to look up to as a Black Child. Some Black kids live in neighborhoods where all they see a drug dealers and guys and girls on street corners. Some kids THAT'S all they know in life.

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gm, I'm going to go out on a limb here but I'm guessing you've never been a young black boy from the inner city, have you?

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Nope but some of my best friends were/are (well small town I hate big city's) Are you going to tell me their opinions don't count because they are not from the inner city

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That phrase, "But some of my best friends are Black...", to me is the dumbest phrase ever. Some of people's best friend's may be Black, but let their best friends date/marry their son or daughter. I had a girl in highschool once say, "You're cute...for a Black guy..." in the same context.

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gm, I'm going to go out on a limb here but I'm guessing you've never been a young black boy from the inner city, have you?

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Touche DC...Touche.

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Some of people's best friend's may be Black, but let their best friends date/marry their son or daughter.

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You can remove your foot from your own mouth anytime, because it would make no difference to me.

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When Black athletes like Vick make it into the limelight and are successful, it gives Black children and adults something that they can strive for,

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What makes the difference what Vicks skin color is

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Because there AREN'T often times where you get a Condeleeza Rice or a Barack Obama to look up to as a Black Child. Some Black kids live in neighborhoods where all they see a drug dealers and guys and girls on street corners. Some kids THAT'S all they know in life.

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Some of people's best friend's may be Black, but let their best friends date/marry their son or daughter.

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I always thought you and GM looked like twins.

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I always thought you and GM looked like twins.

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Yeah...we've got the same......hat!

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Because there AREN'T often times where you get a Condeleeza Rice or a Barack Obama to look up to as a Black Child.

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Because there AREN'T often times where you get a Condeleeza Rice or a Barack Obama to look up to as a Black Child.

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I Have a question for you Slim. Why do they have to look up to somebody of the same skin color???

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When Black athletes like Vick make it into the limelight and are successful, it gives Black children and adults something that they can strive for,

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What makes the difference what Vicks skin color is

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Because there AREN'T often times where you get a Condeleeza Rice or a Barack Obama to look up to as a Black Child. Some Black kids live in neighborhoods where all they see a drug dealers and guys and girls on street corners. Some kids THAT'S all they know in life.

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And whose fault is it all they see are drug dealers and girls on street corners?
Sounds like it is the communities problem.
People that don't want to make a better life for themselves.
People that are having their kids live under those conditions.
People that have kids and are the drug dealers and girls on the streets themselves.
People that ruined the very neighborhoods that they are complaining about.
Think about it... a neighborhood is only as good as the people living there.

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When Black athletes like Vick make it into the limelight and are successful, it gives Black children and adults something that they can strive for,

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What makes the difference what Vicks skin color is

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Because there AREN'T often times where you get a Condeleeza Rice or a Barack Obama to look up to as a Black Child. Some Black kids live in neighborhoods where all they see a drug dealers and guys and girls on street corners. Some kids THAT'S all they know in life.

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And whose fault is it all they see are drug dealers and girls on street corners?
Sounds like it is the communities problem.
People that don't want to make a better life for themselves.
People that are having their kids live under those conditions.
People that have kids and are the drug dealers and girls on the streets themselves.
People that ruined the very neighborhoods that they are complaining about.
Think about it... a neighborhood is only as good as the people living there.

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As a kid you can't just get up and leave your environment, no matter how bad it is.
It's not your fault that your mom and dad are drug dealers or not willing to work. As a child how do you solve that?

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Get a friggin job, you have affirmative action, so no excuse there...then get out.... but no, you'd rather choose to stay.

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This coming from a guy who hasn't had to get a job for at least 20 years.

It's not very easy to get a job that pays enough to move out of these types of neighborhoods around here. If you can't make enough money, how can you move? Unemployment and underemployment are big problems (at least around here) combined with the lack of decent educational opportunities in the inner cities. Things aren't as blak and white as you paint them.

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Well it's funny, everybody else has two eyes, one nose, one mouth, two ears, two arms, two legs, ten fingers, ten toes, etc, etc, etc, do you mean those children don't look like everybody else???? of course not, your still worried about skin color... WHY ???

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There are many successful black men that go back to their communities to show the youth that they can overcome their enviroment.

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Here is one:

On May 17, 2004, the NAACP staged a gala celebration at Constitution Hall in Washington, D.C. to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the U.S. Supreme Court Decision in Brown v. Board of Education. Comedian, actor and philanthropist Bill Cosby was asked to deliver the main address.

Ladies and gentlemen, I really have to ask you to seriously consider what you’ve heard, and now this is the end of the evening so to speak. I heard a prize fight manager say to his fellow who was losing badly, “David, listen to me. It’s not what’s he’s doing to you. It’s what you’re not doing."

Ladies and gentlemen, these people set -- they opened the doors, they gave us the right, and today, ladies and gentlemen, in our cities and public schools we have 50% drop out. In our own neighborhood, we have men in prison. No longer is a person embarrassed because they’re pregnant without a husband. No longer is a boy considered an embarrassment if he tries to run away from being the father of the unmarried child.

Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic and lower middle economic people are not holding their end in this deal. In the neighborhood that most of us grew up in, parenting is not going on. In the old days, you couldn’t hooky school because every drawn shade was an eye. And before your mother got off the bus and to the house, she knew exactly where you had gone, who had gone into the house, and where you got on whatever you had one and where you got it from. Parents don’t know that today.

I’m talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was two? Where were you when he was twelve? Where were you when he was eighteen, and how come you don’t know he had a pistol? And where is his father, and why don’t you know where he is? And why doesn’t the father show up to talk to this boy?

The church is only open on Sunday. And you can’t keep asking Jesus to ask doing things for you. You can’t keep asking that God will find a way. God is tired of you . God was there when they won all those cases. 50 in a row. That’s where God was because these people were doing something. And God said, “I’m going to find a way.” I wasn’t there when God said it -- I’m making this up. But it sounds like what God would do.

We cannot blame white people. White people -- white people don’t live over there. They close up the shop early. The Korean ones still don’t know us as well -- they stay open 24 hours. I’m looking and I see a man named Kenneth Clark, he and his wife Mamie. Kenneth’s still alive. I have to apologize to him for these people because Kenneth said it straight. He said you have to strengthen yourselves, and we’ve got to have that black doll. And everybody said it. Julian Bond said it. Dick Gregory said it. All these lawyers said it. And you wouldn’t know that anybody had done a damned thing.

Fifty percent drop out rate, I’m telling you, and people in jail, and women having children by five, six different men. Under what excuse? I want somebody to love me. And as soon as you have it, you forget to parent. Grandmother, mother, and great grandmother in the same room, raising children, and the child knows nothing about love or respect of any one of the three of them. All this child knows is “gimme, gimme, gimme.” These people want to buy the friendship of a child, and the child couldn’t care less. Those of us sitting out here who have gone on to some college or whatever we’ve done, we still fear our parents. And these people are not parenting. They’re buying things for the kid -- $500 sneakers -- for what? They won’t buy or spend $250 on Hooked on Phonics.

Kenneth Clark, somewhere in his home in upstate New York -- just looking ahead. Thank God he doesn’t know what’s going on. Thank God. But these people -- the ones up here in the balcony fought so hard. Looking at the incarcerated, these are not political criminals. These are people going around stealing Coca Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake! Then we all run out and are outraged: “The cops shouldn’t have shot him.” What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand? I wanted a piece of pound cake just as bad as anybody else. And I looked at it and I had no money. And something called parenting said if you get caught with it you’re going to embarrass your mother." Not, "You’re going to get your butt kicked." No. "You’re going to embarrass your mother." "You’re going to embarrass your family." If you knock that girl up, you’re going to have to run away because it’s going to be too embarrassing for your family. In the old days, a girl getting pregnant had to go down South, and then her mother would go down to get her. But the mother had the baby. I said the mother had the baby. The girl didn’t have a baby. The mother had the baby in two weeks. We are not parenting.

Ladies and gentlemen, listen to these people. They are showing you what’s wrong. People putting their clothes on backwards. Isn’t that a sign of something going on wrong? Are you not paying attention? People with their hat on backwards, pants down around the crack. Isn’t that a sign of something or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up? Isn’t it a sign of something when she’s got her dress all the way up to the crack -- and got all kinds of needles and things going through her body. What part of Africa did this come from? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don’t know a damned thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Shaligua, Mohammed and all that crap and all of them are in jail. (When we give these kinds names to our children, we give them the strength and inspiration in the meaning of those names. What’s the point of giving them strong names if there is not parenting and values backing it up).

Brown versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person’s problem. We’ve got to take the neighborhood back. We’ve got to go in there. Just forget telling your child to go to the Peace Corps. It’s right around the corner. It’s standing on the corner. It can’t speak English. It doesn’t want to speak English. I can’t even talk the way these people talk. “Why you ain’t where you is go, ra.” I don’t know who these people are. And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. Then I heard the father talk. This is all in the house. You used to talk a certain way on the corner and you got into the house and switched to English. Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can’t land a plane with, “Why you ain’t…” You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. There is no Bible that has that kind of language. Where did these people get the idea that they’re moving ahead on this. Well, they know they’re not; they’re just hanging out in the same place, five or six generations sitting in the projects when you’re just supposed to stay there long enough to get a job and move out.

Now, look, I’m telling you. It’s not what they’re doing to us. It’s what we’re not doing. 50 percent drop out. Look, we’re raising our own ingrown immigrants. These people are fighting hard to be ignorant. There’s no English being spoken, and they’re walking and they’re angry. Oh God, they’re angry and they have pistols and they shoot and they do stupid things. And after they kill somebody, they don’t have a plan. Just murder somebody. Boom. Over what? A pizza? And then run to the poor cousin’s house.

They sit there and the cousin says, “What are you doing here?” “I just killed somebody, man.” “What?” “I just killed somebody; I’ve got to stay here.” “No, you don’t.” “Well, give me some money, I’ll go….” “Where are you going?” “North Carolina.”

Everybody wanted to go to North Carolina. But the police know where you’re going because your cousin has a record.

Five or six different children -- same woman, eight, ten different husbands or whatever. Pretty soon you’re going to have to have DNA cards so you can tell who you’re making love to. You don’t who this is. It might be your grandmother. I’m telling you, they’re young enough. Hey, you have a baby when you’re twelve. Your baby turns thirteen and has a baby, how old are you? Huh? Grandmother. By the time you’re twelve, you could have sex with your grandmother, you keep those numbers coming. I’m just predicting.

I’m saying Brown versus the Board of Education. We’ve got to hit the streets, ladies and gentlemen. I’m winding up, now -- no more applause. I’m saying, look at the Black Muslims. There are Black Muslims standing on the street corners and they say so forth and so on, and we’re laughing at them because they have bean pies and all that, but you don’t read, “Black Muslim gunned down while chastising drug dealer.” You don’t read that. They don’t shoot down Black Muslims. You understand me. Muslims tell you to get out of the neighborhood. When you want to clear your neighborhood out, first thing you do is go get the Black Muslims, bean pies and all. And your neighborhood is then clear. The police can’t do it.

I’m telling you Christians, what’s wrong with you? Why can’t you hit the streets? Why can’t you clean it out yourselves? It’s our time now, ladies and gentlemen. It is our time. And I’ve got good news for you. It’s not about money. It’s about you doing something ordinarily that we do -- get in somebody else’s business. It’s time for you to not accept the language that these people are speaking, which will take them nowhere. What the hell good is Brown V. Board of Education if nobody wants it?

What is it with young girls getting after some girl who wants to still remain a virgin. Who are these sick black people and where did they come from and why haven’t they been parented to shut up? To go up to girls and try to get a club where “you are nobody....” This is a sickness, ladies and gentlemen, and we are not paying attention to these children. These are children. They don’t know anything. They don’t have anything. They’re homeless people. All they know how to do is beg. And you give it to them, trying to win their friendship. And what are they good for? And then they stand there in an orange suit and you drop to your knees: “He didn’t do anything. He didn’t do anything.” Yes, he did do it. And you need to have an orange suit on, too.

So, ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank you for the award -- and giving me an opportunity to speak because, I mean, this is the future, and all of these people who lined up and done -- they’ve got to be wondering what the hell happened. Brown V. Board of Education -- these people who marched and were hit in the face with rocks and punched in the face to get an education and we got these knuckleheads walking around who don’t want to learn English. I know that you all know it. I just want to get you as angry that you ought to be. When you walk around the neighborhood and you see this stuff, that stuff’s not funny. These people are not funny anymore. And that‘s not my brother. And that’s not my sister. They’re faking and they’re dragging me way down because the state, the city, and all these people have to pick up the tab on them because they don’t want to accept that they have to study to get an education.

We have to begin to build in the neighborhood, have restaurants, have cleaners, have pharmacies, have real estate, have medical buildings instead of trying to rob them all. And so, ladies and gentlemen, please, Dorothy Height, where ever she’s sitting, she didn’t do all that stuff so that she could hear somebody say “I can’t stand algebra, I can’t stand…" and “what you is.” It’s horrible.

Basketball players -- multimillionaires can’t write a paragraph. Football players, multimillionaires, can’t read. Yes. Multimillionaires. Well, Brown v. Board of Education, where are we today? It’s there. They paved the way. What did we do with it? The White Man, he’s laughing -- got to be laughing. 50 percent drop out -- rest of them in prison.

You got to tell me that if there was parenting -- help me -- if there was parenting, he wouldn’t have picked up the Coca Cola bottle and walked out with it to get shot in the back of the head. He wouldn’t have. Not if he loved his parents. And not if they were parenting! Not if the father would come home. Not if the boy hadn’t dropped the sperm cell inside of the girl and the girl had said, “No, you have to come back here and be the father of this child.” Not ..“I don’t have to.”

Therefore, you have the pile up of these sweet beautiful things born by nature -- raised by no one. Give them presents. You’re raising pimps. That’s what a pimp is. A pimp will act nasty to you so you have to go out and get them something. And then you bring it back and maybe he or she hugs you. And that’s why pimp is so famous. They’ve got a drink called the “Pimp-something.” You all wonder what that’s about, don’t you? Well, you’re probably going to let Jesus figure it out for you. Well, I’ve got something to tell you about Jesus. When you go to the church, look at the stained glass things of Jesus. Look at them. Is Jesus smiling? Not in one picture. So, tell your friends. Let’s try to do something. Let’s try to make Jesus smile. Let’s start parenting. Thank you, thank you. link

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This coming from a guy who hasn't had to get a job for at least 20 years.

It's not very easy to get a job that pays enough to move out of these types of neighborhoods around here. If you can't make enough money, how can you move? Unemployment and underemployment are big problems (at least around here) combined with the lack of decent educational opportunities in the inner cities. Things aren't as blak and white as you paint them.

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The U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines are hiring. And think... THEY wouldn't have to look for a job for 20 years. THEY would learn a trade and have the money for an education, so they can get another job after those 20 years.

In trying to belittle me, it looks like you answered your own question as one way of getting out. Only problem, the military requires you to have discipline.

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You know what's sad about what Bill Cosby stated in his speech? It's the honest truth.. ...And he was chastised by his own peers for "Speaking the Truth". ..The Only Role Models I have ever needed in my life are My Mom & Dad and you can't get any better than that in life.......

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I agree with both you and the "Retired Squid".....

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"Soon to be" Retired Squid. I don't actually retire until January.

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There is no reason that people can't look up to others of different races. I just think it is important that these kids have role models of their own race also.

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In trying to belittle me, it looks like you answered your own question as one way of getting out. Only problem, the military requires you to have discipline.

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I wasn't teying to belittle you but rather point out a fact. You have not been in the workplace for 20 years and I don't think you understand the difficulties out there.

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As far as the armed forces are concerned, I believe the amount of minorities are much higher than in the general population so many are trying to get out of bad situations.

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It takes a lot more than dicipline to make it in the service.

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You have to be able to be willing to put your life on the line and be willing to be away from your family for extended periods of time. I was very diciplined but I could not make those other sacrifices.

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I hope you meant that I haven't been looking for a job in the job market, not that I haven't been in the workplace for 20 years. HUGE difference there.

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I hope you meant that I haven't been looking for a job in the job market, not that I haven't been in the workplace for 20 years. HUGE difference there.

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That is what I meant. I know firsthand how difficult of a job being in the armed forces (ex Navy) can be. Working 2nd shift on the beach ( I worked on F-14s) my hours were from 3:30 pm until all the jets were up and flight worthy, which was when the day shift would come in at 6:30 am on more days then not. It got tougher at sea.

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The U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines are hiring.

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