DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Greg Robinson may be benched

Our OL is not consistently good at run blocking either. Sometimes they're good, and sometimes they just suck. It's a good thing that Chubb is good at getting yards after contact.

I'll agree with you that our RG and RT have been very bad. I do think Robinson has been average/serviceable, but still not what you want from a starting LT. He's had a bad career, so although Browns fans were happy with him as an LT, last year can easily be considered an outlier in terms of performance.

Baker certainly carries blame with this offense but I do think he looks like he has lost confidence in a good portion of our lineman. I can't blame him, either. Outside of Bitonio and Tretter, everyone else is inconsistent.

Takes gone bad.

Anyone who thinks we would make a change at one of the most important positions on the offense to distract anyone from anything is foolish. Our coaches think this change will help make us better. If it doesn’t pan out we will go back to Robinson. Maybe it will work and we will slide Robinson to rt, who knows.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Teller move in at RG
The few plays Kush was out vs Seattle and Teller replaced him, our line looked way more physical.
I really think that the only thing holding it back is how late he came in and needing to learn a completely new offense.

Ummm...the trade deadline is Tuesday. this change may be a one game "show-me" to see what we've got and then make a decision.

j/c:

This thread is so typical. The same folks mock others for stretching the truth and then turn around and then completely make things up. It's to the point that I am not even going to read this crap anymore.

You say that Vers, but your just as much a masochist as the rest of us

j/c

The part missing in all of this is we don't have an upgrade for the LT position on this roster. And we won't have one today. Robinson is the best we have even though that isn't very good.

Stay tuned.....

Watched some highlights of the past couple games. Highlights so take it for what it's worth. But I saw a lot of plays where Bitonio covered for Robinson.

My question would be, with all those PFF stats being bandied about, how is that taken into consideration by them?

Not trying to make a point, just trying to get a better understanding of those stats/rankings/evaluations or whatever you want to call them mean.

I’m not sure, but that’s a fair question. You’d have to think that their ratings are all encompassing and include that sort of stuff

I believe if you look around the league that's not an isolated situation.

And I actually think the point I'm trying to make here is being missed in all of this.

I've never tried to claim that Robinson is a good LT. What I've said is he's the best we have on the roster to play the position.

It's all going to be playing itself out here in a few hours, so we'll see.

I agree. I can't see how McCray could be an upgrade. Robinson is a mystery, he can look good, and then be really bad. But, he is the best we got, as far as we know. I guess we will see.

Did McCray play well enough today that Trent Williams is no longer in the picture?

McCray was the least of our problems today.

agreed ... he did no worse than what we’ve had

And certainly no better.

IMHO, this game was on Chubb and Baker, not fair to criticize any other player.

I also think that NE didn't play with the intensity they use to play after we gave away the game, so its very hard to make any assessment.

Just what I saw watching the game I thought the offensive line was better in the run game compared to previous weeks. There were some huge holes against a great defense. Eric Kush and Wyatt Teller both played at left guard yesterday too. Kush played 84% of the snaps and Teller 16%.

How is it on Baker?

His Butt fumble led to the TD that sealed the game.

When did Baker fumble the ball in this game?

Chubb had 2 (both lost) and Hilliard also had 1. (The Browns recovered that one)

Those were the only fumbles in the game.

Butt fumble is an expression for a stupid play named after Sanchez... His int was stupid and sealed the game.

His INT was the play that was called. You expect that your best Guard will be able to block for more than 1 second. You do not expect to see the DL beat your best OL, and beat your receiver to the pitch. That is a play we have run several times successfully, but the Pats just defensed it perfectly.

Maybe that was the problem. The Pats knew it was coming....

You expect a QB to look at what he is doing... no excuses man, don't sugar coat it.

EXACTLY why you hav e been called a troll and no one takes any of your post seriously.

You wanna say baker has been bad, he has.

You wanna say he needs to see the field better, he does.

But when you try to blame things like that on him, you look petty.

Yes, its Bakers fault they tried a trick play against the best defense in football, that putting up historic numbers.

Yeah, sure - its baker fault that the oline didn't block a DL that allowed him to blow in basically untouched to get the ball.

Yeah, its baker's fault guy.

pssstttt, be gone. Your still the dude who says he has a weak arm, when even the BIGGEST Baker haters on this board have said "nah, hes got a really good arm".

You expect your OL to do their job, especially on a play where they only have to block for 1 freakin' second! You look for the right pre-snap read, snap the ball and toss it. The DL was through our OL in less than 1 second! He could not have gotten there much more quickly if there was no OL on the field.

It was Gregg Robinson's fault.

Sanchez butt fumble wasn't his fault either, or at least some still say that.

j/c...

This may be a better place to post this...

Yea, he had his share of wiffs and gave up at least one sack. He is not the answer either, but then he was no worse than Hubbard imo.

He was not Bitonio's responsibility on that play. If that is the case, then it was a poorly designed play from its inception.

The DE was supposed to be seal blocked to free up the outside. No way can you ask your LG to do that, so I think that someone else missed his assignment there.

is this like golf? the lower the number the better of a player they are?

It was a joke. McCray's grade was lower than any grade Robinson has had this year.

I'm not sure how anyone expected anything different.

I'm not one to bag on most of our players or coaches in general. I do take it game by game however. If someone stunk it up in a game I won't hesitate to say so. But even after a few bad games I'm not one of those calling for people to be fired, traded or cut.

But this was a rather obvious blunder. I don't know if it was the call of the OL coach, Freddie or who exactly, but no matter what you think of Robinson as a LT, he's the best we have at the position and this move didn't make sense from its inception.

That is pure Three Stooges +8 Material there...

The left tackle pulled and was going to be lead blocker. It was Bitonio’s man.