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It's amazing how far this guy appears to have come since last season.
Offseason microfracture surgery on the same knee that already has had several surgeries. From what I understand microfracture surgery can be hit or miss. It took Amare Stoudemire of the Phoenix Suns almost an entire year to recover and be back to full health from this same surgery.
Which seems to make what Winslow has done that much more amazing. From being unsure when he was going to join the team in training camp to what we've seen the first two games...I'm just shaking my head in amazement.
The guy joins the team on the first day of training camp, and he looks like he was never hurt. His yards/catch is up to 18.3 and he's stretching the middle of the field in a way he just couldn't do last year.
If I didn't know this guy has had multiple knee surgeries, I would have never guessed it.
Not sure if this deserved it's own thread, but I'm just surprised no one has mentioned this yet. I just think it's absolutely amazing the way he is playing considering everything that has happened to his knee.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Yeah KWII played in a lot of pain last season, didn't complain, went out and did his job and did it well! He has grown up a lot since his injuries and I don't remember exactly what he said but around the time of the accident he said he owes the fans and the org. You could tell his attitude changed and he was focused on what he had to do to make up for lost time.
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I just cruised over to NFL.com to check out his stats to see where he's stacking up right now... all I have to say is 'Holy Cow!' link A ridiculous 90% of his catches have been for a 1st Down. That's 9 out of his 10 catches. Of his 10 catches, 4 have been for 20+ yards. While he has 6 fewer catches than Gates, he has only 1 fewer Yard. The kid is just sick!  I'm sooooo glad that he's ours! 
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I'm sooooo glad that he's ours!
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The man is a freak when it comes to his ability to bounce back from major surgery.
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If he keeps this up...pro bowl anyone?
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GREAT hands, I'll say it again: not just good but GREAT hands... plus he's big, strong and determined. He's a beast, bottom line.
KW2 will be a Pro Bowler in 2007.
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If he keeps this up...pro bowl anyone?
Oh hell yes.
If you guys notice, he walks without a limp now too.
IMO he'll be even better next year!
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I noticed that too.
I feel alot more comfortable with having him be our offensive star the next 8-10 seasons.
Keep in mind hes ONLY 24. Seems like he should be much older than that.
I think he's about back to where he was pre injury...which means he could eventually go down as the best ever...
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I would love it, normally I wouldn't think he would have a shot with Gonzalez and Gates; but the Chiefs are struggling and San Diego's offense is sputtering (you think they miss Marty yet?)
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Now if he can just learn how to block.
He's probably the worst blocking TE in the league, and eventually, if we're going to be a winning program, we'll have to run the ball.
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I believe thats why we have Dinkins, one of the best blocking TE's in the league. But yeah, Winslow needs to improve if he wants to be a complete player.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Now if he can just learn how to block.
He's probably the worst blocking TE in the league, and eventually, if we're going to be a winning program, we'll have to run the ball.
No question. But I do see some improvement over last year. His forte was never blocking but his knee made it worse.
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He's probably the worst blocking TE in the league, and eventually, if we're going to be a winning program, we'll have to run the ball.
Understand your'e reasoning but I don't care... if he's an iffy blocker and we have to use him merely as a playmaking TE/small-w wideout.... no problem. He helps in that role far more than he hurts.
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They actually complimented his blocking last weekend. He sealed off a defender pretty well.
He's just warming up, he's gonna be one of the greats and I just hope he stays in Cleveland.
What a beautiful thing Sunday was...and to see BE reach potential too was a great thing.
Let's just see the team grow from this and I'll be happy.
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Lamp youre right...Can anyone here really remember a ball last year that he just straight up dropped?
I dont...anything that comes his way, thats relatively catchable, ends up in his hands. I love that. He doesnt drop balls. I honestly cant remember a drop of his. I know if I saw one bounce off his hands, id be surprised.
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He's probably the worst blocking TE in the league, and eventually, if we're going to be a winning program, we'll have to run the ball.
I saw him lay some good blocks last week. I think he's stepping up his game this season, the result will be the Pro Bowl (though overated IMO).
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I hope that he wants to stay in Cleveland when his contract is up...
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KW2 is all of that and a Bag of Chips,, he's pretty amazing on the field and the transformation off the field is equally astonishing.. Notice,, no blow ups, no rash or immature comments,,, And one other thing I noticed about ALL the browns Players on Sunday,, Not just winslow,,, but Edwards, JJ and Lewis.. These are the guys that scored on Sunday,, NO END ZONE DANCES or celebrations of any kind,,, some happiness and High 5ing with Teammates,,, but no Dancing or silly antics.... Closest we came was Edwards handing the ball to someone in the stands,,, They are all Acting like they've done it before,,, That it "ain't no big thing". We'll be here plenty more times...... Man if you are "old school" like me and some of the others on here,,, you gotta love that....
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He's probably the worst blocking TE in the league, and eventually, if we're going to be a winning program, we'll have to run the ball.
That may be Dallas Clark.
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I'll admit I was one of his harshest critics. Didn't care for him in college (as any true Buckeye), thought we gave too much for him in the draft (I was convinced we'd still get him without moving up) and then came the holdout and the motorcyle accident ("Soldier Down!"). I saw him as selfish and immature. His antics cost him time from his team, and also made him less than what he could have been. I said all of this on this board. I also said that I hope he proves me wrong.
Kellen, thanks for doing just that. I've been really impressed so far this year and I hope you have a long career right here in Cleveland.
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They are all Acting like they've done it before,,, That it "ain't no big thing". We'll be here plenty more times......
Man if you are "old school" like me and some of the others on here,,, you gotta love that....
I may be a little young, but I am definetly old school in that sense. My favorite post touchdown celebration is simply handing the ball to the ref. Though I must admit I do like Merriman's Lights Out Dance.
Back to Winslow. I straight up love Winslow. Him and JT are definetly my favorite players. I am all about his attitude. (as long as he keeps it under control) We have some young talent on our offense in JT, BQ, KW2, and BE. I honestly think that when Winslow's contract is up he will resign with us. He owes us that. And I see Phil as the type of guy who isn't going to let someone as young and as good as he is go away.
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If you watch the game again and isolate on KW you'll see they didn't really use him as a "blocking TE" too often. But when they did, he did very well! One play really stands out is when he was isolated with Justin Smith and totally neutralized him. I think this is the play where the announcer complimented KW's blocking as another poster stated. Let's remember that a weapon like this that can stretch the field and occupy LBers and safties can really help the run game as much if not more than a "blocking TE". Additionally, last year it had to be tough sustaining a block with condition his knee was in. He was basically playing one legged  When it's all said and done he is a HUGE asset and it looks like they are going to utilize his abilities to the max. He's FINALLY asked to do something besides running a 5 yd out pattern!!! woohoo!!! I love those seam routes!!!! KW's passion and dedication are taking him to another level and our new OC knows how to use him. IMO
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I know you probably won't reply to this for another month...
BUT, I think his blocking looks to have improved a little bit. He did completely own Justin Smith on a couple plays this past Sunday...for what it's worth.
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He's probably the worst blocking TE in the league, and eventually, if we're going to be a winning program, we'll have to run the ball.
That may be Dallas Clark.
Yep... I was thinking of him and Jeremy Stevens and Chris Cooley (H-Back).
But...point taken... Winslow needs to step up his blocking game.
Although, as somebody else noted, I think he has improved considerably so far this year.
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Hey, thanks 
Dawglover, has it been a month allready? 
Trust me when I say I know he was literally playing on one leg last year. It does excuse quite a bit. But when his leg was perfect in college, he was a horrid blocker. I also can't say he's turned the corner as a blocker when he did it against the Bengals *L*
There may not be a more uncoverable TE than Winslow. He's a wideout who happens to go in the 240's, and has better hands than probably 75% of the pure receivers in the league. Having said that, we use him as a true TE, not in the H-back role, and if we're going to be a team that wins the division and has aspirations of working our way through the playoffs, we'll need Winslow to become an adequate blocker. He doesn't have to be great, just adequate. Otherwise, he's a one-dimensional player that becomes much easier to defend, making our offense much more predictable.
Keep in mind that in order to win the division, it's not the Bengals and their swiss-cheese defense we have to worry about, but rather the Steelers and the Ravens. Winslow has to be good against those teams, and to this point in his career, his blocking has been atrocious against real players. (Hey, just because Justin "overpaid because I'm better than the rest of my sucky linemen" Smith beat up Shaffer at left tackle doesn't make him a good player.)
Don't let me rain on the feel-good parade I just want people to really take it to heart when I say if we're going to be a good TEAM, he'll have to do more than be an uncoverable receiving TE. The only two guys that really impressed the Hell out of were Anderson and Edwards, as neither guy had previously shown what they did for an entire game. Sadly, because it was against the Bengals, it has to be considered a flash of potential instead of a mark arrival, so everything is still in "wait and see" mode.
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I am the official K2 fan, and he looks soooooooooooooooooooooo much better than last year for 2 main reasons... Micro fracture + another year off his bike accident. The biggest reason, the offense... They finally use him down field, most of his catches have been for about 20 yards. He looks much smoother in his cuts, better in his blocking, but hell... He still has perfect form catching the ball
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Just for you I am going to change my name to Official K2 Fan. Just kidding.
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Lol... But seriously I've taken so much crap the 2 years before last year, you have NO idea how much people liked to rag on me.
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He's probably the worst blocking TE in the league, and eventually, if we're going to be a winning program, we'll have to run the ball.
I know that block he threw on Justin was horrible....all he did was drive him way out of the play....shucks... 
I saw bunch of good blocks last weekend.....the man said he couldn't block worth crap last year cuz of his knee....i think he was always a okay blocker if not good...he jus couldn't last year cuz of his knee...he had no leverage..
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The biggest reason, the offense...
They finally use him down field, most of his catches have been for about 20 yards.
He looks much smoother in his cuts, better in his blocking, but hell... He still has perfect form catching the ball
True, this offense is perfect for Winslow, but you need to add quarterback to your list. Frye does not have the arm strength to hit the deep middle passes. DA does. When Frye was in, the patterns were more slants quick outs, screens, dump offs.... With DA, the deep ball became a possibility.
And, no I'm not a DA fan...at all. But his abilities allow different parts of the offense to open up.
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Others have already pointed it out Toad, but his blocking seems improved... How much more he can do, I'm not sure, but if being a better blocker means endangering his ability to do what he really does best,, then I don't want him to get any better... I know for a fact that I didn't explain that well at all 
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You explained it fine... RAC is to blame because KW can't block...
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One thing I'd also like to add about K2 is his hands are amazing the guy will catch almost any ball thrown in his general direction. I don't remember seeing many Tight Ends catching the ball the way he does. I'm so glad that Winslow has grown into the player that he is now and I'm even more happy that he's playing for Our Team. Hopefully the Front Office does whatever it takes to keep him happy and to keep him here, and he better not get shafted on the Pro-Bowl this year either, Winslow and Gates at both great TE's but setting my Homerism aside Winslow brings more to the plate than Gates.
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I completely agree.
People laugh when I say that Winslow is the best TE in the league. But that's only because they've never actually watched him play. I'll take him over any guy, as long as he's not injured.
Shockey and Heap don't match up. Gonzalez and Gates are better blockers, but neither catch the ball as well as The Chosen One. lol. Now he's matured a bit, he's definitely as good as they come.
His blocking needs work, but his recieving capabilities make him enough of a threat that it all works out. Even if we hand the ball off, it could be play-action and someone's gotta be watching him. He's gotta be covered at all times, period.
I'd rather say his blocking is......inconsistant rather than bad. lol. But yeah, I'm always a homer. There's no better way to be a fan. And Winslow is my guy. I just only imagine how much better he could have ended up if he didn't get his knee ruined. He'd be a sure-fire HOFer, now if he might not be
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I love Winslow, he is probaby my favorite Brown. I do have to laugh reading these threads today. What a difference a week makes, everything in these threads seem positive, last week, it was 100% negative.
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Lol... But seriously I've taken so much crap the 2 years before last year, you have NO idea how much people liked to rag on me.
Im with you. I wish Winslow was getting the respect he deseved when he was drafted and the 2 years he was injured. Yeah I know, popping wheelies on a crouch rocket when you dont know what the hell your doing is stupid. Most on this board didnt want to draft him. But there was still alot of support for him. I heard alot of "o-line no matter what (which is every year) and Ben Troupe in the 2nd round."
A healthy Winslow on the field opens it up for the rest of the team. Even Jamal Lewis said so in a FOX sports article I read. He commands attention from the defense at all times.
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