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Baker did show improvement on getting rid of the ball quicker at least early in the game. Again this week he stepped up more like last week. While he did have some errant passes, he had streaks when he looked pretty good.

If he can continue to improve from week to week he can become his old self.

Expecting him to begin to go through his progressions and try and read D's post snap certainly creates a learning curve. We've seen a lot of that. But I'm seeing signs that it's starting to come together.

I think you're reading things that I didn't post.

I said that I saw improvements in certain areas. And I did. You may wish to read it again.

Let's try your latest example. Where did I say he was an elite QB? You can compare it any way you want to his last two starts and it was an improvement.

If you can't see that there's no use discussing it with you any further.

You also can't take away the good plays.

Maybe you should give him time to mature. The Saints are glad that the Chargers didn't give Brees that time.

You say you saw an improvement and I refuted, saying the most important area where I wanted to see the improvements were not there.

We all see what we want to see. I see the butt fumble that sealed the game, I saw him running into sacks and being inaccurate.

You can't look at a game and take away the bad plays. Chubb is a great player, and taking away the 2 fumbles he had a great game, but who cares. He fumbled twice and Baker had one of the most stupid ints I ever saw in a critical moment of the game.

By the way, his INT just sealed the game... if anything that was the deciding moment. It was a butt fumble...

He needs to settle down and work in his craft.

And it's all Baker's fault... Correct?

Let's not take anything else into consideration, it would make far too much sense. Like the facts...

Fact: The shovel pass to Landry might be our single-most dangerous weapon over the past 18 games. I guarantee, without looking, there are gains of over 50, 40 and 30 yards, with other chunk yardage gains.

Fact: It has worked to near perfection as far as execution goes, never even a questionable pitch. Execution has been so good that Jarvis has usually needed one move to break into the secondary, many times only being brushed by a defender before he gets there.

Fact: Baker doesn't wait for the dumb play to develop, duh. The ball is in his hands for a 4/10 of a second. The first 2/10 he's looking in the other direction at Chubb to sell the play. His execution has been so good, that in one variation, he tossed the ball to himself and completed game-changing pass. It froze the defense, it was next level.

Fact: Rain had nothing to do with it.

Fact: The play had such long-running success that no adjustment was ever needed, execution was so easy - players were a victim of the ease of success.

Biggest Fact: On the other side of the field was Belichick. This is the ultimate example of "takes away what you do best". His players practiced to beat this play. Guaranteed. Not stop the play, BEAT IT. What can be counted on as a 15+ yard play, on average, is now on the brink of a TD the other way. Back-breaking.


Bill Belichick won the game with one play. It's a "head-on crash" type play. Strapped in for sure success, you get run over instead.
The same coach won a Superbowl when he ran over a Ferrari with a Yugo... a specific play that his team had practiced all week. Russell Wilson knew it as soon as the ball left his hand. The player gave credit to a coaching staff that had him perfectly prepared to make the play.

Snopes it.

How did the INT seal the game? If I recall, they scored a FG on it to make it 17????? Nice try to keep saying what your saying, doesn't make it true.

Last I checked, a TD hurt you worse than a FG. So by your logic (and I use that term loosely with you) Chubb's fumble sealed the game.....

be gone.

We all know how ridiculous it was... we watched it.

We are simply worlds apart on what it actually was.

Carry on.

Its just too bad to even be arguing this point...

Please explain... If I'm understanding it right, in your opinion Baker has no responsibility in it?

Apparently others share your opinion... I bet very few Browns fan will agree with that, because if it was another QB doing that,you would have no doubts... like in all the comments in the replay...

Its just too bad to even be arguing this point...

ope. Didn't say that, everyone bears responsibility of being beaten on that play, right through the coaching. That play has been so easy, I bet we don't even practice it. However, way more credit is due to BB than fault to placed with Baker. Blaming Baker's role, and using it as example of whether he's capable of being a franchise QB, is like blaming world hunger on the price of seeds. Doesn't hold water, champ.

so you run what looks to be the exact same play with a new opponent who may have or probably game planned for it - then you change it and move the cheese. . . . but we didn't and don't . . .

Well New England just took the day off, so in all truth we can't access his play, it was a pre-season game.

Well New England just took the day off, so in all truth we can't access his play, it was a pre-season game.

Although I continued to see many of the problems he is having... specially when in the other side you had a really great QB that always does the right thing.

By the way, his INT just sealed the game... if anything that was the deciding moment. It was a butt fumble...

The shovel pass was not Bakers fault.

Nobody blocked Guy. Nobody including Landry saw him.

Baker had a decent game and made some good throws.

You are predetermining his play.

First Chubb fumble was a fluke. Ball was kicked out by a Browns player. The second Chubb fumble was a good play by the defender. Yes, Chubb could have protected better.

The shovel pass was the error on the blocking assignment.

You wish to blame it Baker. So be it.

He lacks basic comprehension skills.

This one is going down has one of the 10 most dumb plays in the history of the NFL, a shovel pass Int...

What is his point?

Baker caused the loss?

Trade him? Draft another QB? Rant about something?

Try to prove he knows something or show he knows nothing?

Any credibility you had, which is none, just got flushed down the toilet.

Ahh, twitter memes are where you are basing your opinions from....gotcha

SHOVEL PASS INT... what else do you need to know, its absolutely amazing you don't see it, and then call others crazy...


SHOVEL PASS INT... its going on Wikipedia with Baker on it...

I don't think you know how plays work in the NFL, or how things are setup for them to work.

You do realize, we have run that play about a dozen times right? Have scored it on it in the past? That its basically a staple in our offense? That Bakers job is to loft the ball in the air while looking the other way to create misdirection? That the oline is supposed to block? You realize in football, you don't throw to a "person" a lot. You actually throw to a spot, and its the receivers job to be there right? Literally ever person on this board has informed you over and over of your trolling, and frankly just idiotic takes and stances. Seriously, go away. You are not worth the time.

The only time you even post is when baker or the browns have a bad game. You offer no other post, and when baker has played good pretty much all last year during the season, you have disappeared. Then, like an internet troll, when he has a bad game, you appear amazingly with such timing. Its odd.....

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