DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Greg Robinson may be benched

Fools.

So now Robinson basically knows he can suck it up and go through the motions haha .. McCray was that bad apparently

The same stupid play happened in the Purdue-Nebraska game yesterday. Purdue QB threw a shovel pass right into the arms of a Nebraska DL. I couldn't believe I was seeing it all over again since I never saw it before in over 50 years of watching football. Unbelievable!!

yep that was crazy how similar

I also the Greg Robinson is better than McCray. The problem is that switching back and forth after only one week. The process is horrible.

j/c

When you are contemplating the conclusion that 3 of 5 OL need to be upgraded, you have a bad OL.

I'm starting to wonder if Robinson did something stupid during the bye week and this was an internal, hush-hush one game suspension. He was "active" due to overall OT restrictions on the 53 with Lamm out.

This is probably the right move.

j/c

The move didn't make any sense when they made it. The results made that obvious.

agreed

Didn't we produce more yards than the Patriots? In a constant rain?

Robinson is a better OT than is McCray...but the results were far from obvious. If Chubb didn't fumble TWICE creating a 14 point booger, the results just might have suggested that McCray should get another start.

His performance was rated on his individual performance. He graded out much lower than Robinson. It's not a debatable subject.

It was done to light a fire under Robinson, if you look at his PFF pass blocking grades he either has a really good game or a really bad one.

It is funny, 66. Some of the same people who complain that our penalty prone players are not held accountable complain that the coaches benched Robinson for a tackle of ,at best unproven quality and likely lower quality than our starter. I think Robinson is one of our most penalized o lineman so maybe, just maybe, our coach wanted to hold him accountable.

What a disaster.

Not debatable to who? You? Squelch any disagreement? So typical.

Newsflash! They are both bad OTs. One's been overrated his entire career...one guy is known for being an over-achiever and is actually a G...maybe a RT.

They benched Robinson for a reason.

"graded out?" Really?

I hope Robinson learned his lesson ...

One thing that happens a lot over the years of watching the Browns: I hear "I've never seen that before!" A LOT!

For when people hate on analytics but use PFF to justify an argument.

Yeah, for one game. McCray was worse than Robinson, and no, it's not debatable. That's why McCray only started one game. Unless of course you think they just put Robinson back in the line up because he is worse.

Sometimes you just have to bring things down to their level.

Do you understand that they are BOTH bad OTs? I'd say you do not. Why did McCray - who is a G - EVER start over a healthy Robinson? It's like being the tallest midget. You going off of PFF ratings and making excuses for those ratings is comical.

There are degrees of bad. You do understand that things can go from bad to worse don't you? Well, McCray was worse.

I guess you just have trouble comprehending that McCray only had one start and they went right back to Robinson. Somehow that escapes you.

Why did Robinson get benched in the first place? That's the point. We lost the McCray start...to New England no less....and...we rushed for 100% more yards than did NE. I'm not pining for McCray...they are both bad...as OTs.

The other OT is even worse and we just replaced the RG.

You are hoping to go all StrawmanDawg and create some illusion that our OL is not bad...but the proof is on the field.

What are you talking about? We need help at both OT positions and at RG. I don't know what illusion that's trying to paint there.

You are trying to move the goal posts here. And I certainly understand why. Because you know as well as I do that Robinson is the best LT we currently have on our roster. That doesn't make him a good LT. Hubbard is not a good RT either.

But that wasn't what we were discussing was it?



No, it wasn't.

Bitonio is simply NOT this bad.

I have to wonder what is going on that is destroying what has otherwise been an All-Pro career.

That's a good question...While Bitinio hasn't sucked this year, imho he looked a lot more human this year (as he was normally lights out every game...I worried about him last year playing beside Robinson, but he looked great last year)

It's odd...we hire a new Oline coach (Campen) who is regarded one of the best...And our Oline is struggling everywhere.

It could be a number of factors and probably is

Bitonio seems to be trending downward as the season moves along. I've started to notice him the last 2 games.

Part of ti has to be how bad our LT has been, Robinson or McCray. That, plus the back and forth the last 2 games. Tretter is excellent, but everyone else besides he and Bitonio are awful, so I assume the help has to go the the tackles and RG, and Bitonio may be trying to do too much.

The Baker INT vs New England happened because a guy blew right by Bitonio and was in Baker's face in an instance. It's hard to say if Bitonio messed up or if someone else did and he tried to make up for it.

Yeah, I hate when the QB is forced to throw an int. instead of throwing the ball away.

Yeah, I bet if you gave Bitonio truth serum he’d admit how bad the LT is right now and how much it affects his play

Can't really throw the ball away on a 1 foot, no look shovel pass brah.

Bitonio has also need help himself when he has ugly matchups, but the people who are worse around him demand much more help, often failing their assignment. No=win situation personally and game as well. Bitonio is not horrible, but we will need more offensive tackles from somewhere. This is upsetting to me because we seemed to have settled for Robinson, hardly decent. This scheme needs adjusting, but schemes cannot compensate adequately for what I have seen. Better feet would help.

playcalling and blocking schemes are the biggest issues.

It's not the players.

It's the coaches.

I first noticed his issues in the SF game...granted they have a fabulous Dline....Never really saw him struggle as much as he has this year.