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Wed Sep 19, 2007 --from FFMastermind.com
The Rock Hill Herald reports the Cleveland Browns worked out S Shaun Williams this week
Here is his stats
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2006 Carolina Panthers 12 12 72 60 12 0.0 -- 2 2 1 0.5 1 0 -- --
2005 New York Giants 8 0 19 17 2 0.0 -- 0 2 34 17.0 34 0 -- --
2004 New York Giants 2 2 10 10 0 0.0 -- 2 -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- --
2003 New York Giants 10 10 60 46 14 1.5 -- 4 1 14 14.0 14 0 -- --
2002 New York Giants 16 16 91 66 25 2.0 -- 8 2 -2 -1.0 0 0 -- --
2001 New York Giants 16 16 95 77 18 1.0 -- 6 3 25 8.3 20 0 -- --
2000 New York Giants 16 16 0 0 0 0.0 -- 0 3 52 17.3 40 0 -- --
1999 New York Giants 11 0 0 0 0 0.0 -- 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- --
1998 New York Giants 13 0 0 0 0 0.0 -- 0 2 6 3.0 6 0 -- --
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I guess that tells us about what they think of Baxter 
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Both guys have injury. Plus Baxter, I hope this doesnt mean that Baxter isnt near ready. Although I would rather Baxter sit and be healthy. Thats even if Baxter is in the plans to play Safety.
Does anyone have a complete list of available Safetys?
What about if the Browns have a shot at a decent SS and can Jones move to FS? He is supposed to have the skills to play both Safety spots.
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Rashad Bauman
Jerametrius Butler
Bhawoh Jue
Kevin McCadam
Donte Nicholson
Jereme Perry
Etric Pruitt
J.R. Reed
Nick Sorenson
Chad Williams
Some of the top free agent safeties.
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Does anyone have a complete list of available Safetys?
Rashad Bauman
Jerametrius Butler
Bhawoh Jue
Kevin McCadam
Donte Nicholson
Jereme Perry
Etric Pruitt
J.R. Reed
Nick Sorenson
Chad Williams
Some of the top free agent safeties.
i'd rather see thompson start then any of these guys...
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...and why didnt they put Baxter on the PUP to begin with 
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I say keep Pool in there and let him duke it out... He needs that experience..
Mike Adams did pretty well, so him and Pool could split time until someone shines..
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http://nflexperts.scout.com/a.z?s=211&am...c=16&pid=33Donnie Nickey anyone? He was my favorite player when he was a buckeye...mostly becuase he came to my middle school and gave our football team a good talk lol. And he signed autographs i sitll have it! But besides that he was on every tackle in college....i havnt seen him in the NFL much though. Edit: I take that back, he was resigned by the Titans.
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...and why didnt they put Baxter on the PUP to begin with
That option went out the window as soon as Baxter practiced in Camp. Had he not practiced at all then we could've put him on the PUP list, like we did with Bentley.
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...and why didnt they put Baxter on the PUP to begin with
That option went out the window as soon as Baxter practiced in Camp. Had he not practiced at all then we could've put him on the PUP list, like we did with Bentley.
Ah ok, but it´s still not a good idea to keep a player who misses a good part of the season ....of course with our luck the injury bug hits were we went into the season with only 3 healthy players for 2 positions
Now Pool, Baxter and Adams are banged up...plus our #2+#3 OLBs (McG and Peek)..add to that list your #1 and #3 CB (Bodden+Holly) and you might understand why we allowed 79 points to score so far in 2 games...
who is left in the DB? we had to release Perry for the 2nd P..and are now left with:
Jones
K.Wright
E.Wright
McDonald
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What's the story with J Hamilton? Is he still hurt?
I find his situation to be very strange indeed.
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What's the story with J Hamilton? Is he still hurt?
I find his situation to be very strange indeed.
I'm pretty sure he was released when the rosters were trimmed.
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He was injured-waived...but the scoop was that the Browns only cut him because he was injured. Wonder if he's better...because Baxter doesn't seem to be.
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Does anyone have a complete list of available Safetys?
Rashad Bauman
Jerametrius Butler
Bhawoh Jue
Kevin McCadam
Donte Nicholson
Jereme Perry
Etric Pruitt
J.R. Reed
Nick Sorenson
Chad Williams
Some of the top free agent safeties.
All of those guys are bad, minus maybe Nicholson. Even then he's bad.
Shaun Williams is better than anything else out there
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...and why didnt they put Baxter on the PUP to begin with
That option went out the window as soon as Baxter practiced in Camp. Had he not practiced at all then we could've put him on the PUP list, like we did with Bentley.
Ah ok, but it´s still not a good idea to keep a player who misses a good part of the season ....of course with our luck the injury bug hits were we went into the season with only 3 healthy players for 2 positions
Now Pool, Baxter and Adams are banged up...plus our #2+#3 OLBs (McG and Peek)..add to that list your #1 and #3 CB (Bodden+Holly) and you might understand why we allowed 79 points to score so far in 2 games...
who is left in the DB? we had to release Perry for the 2nd P..and are now left with:
Jones
K.Wright
E.Wright
McDonald
...thats it....4 healthy DBs, 2 of them rookies
I'm sure Cribb's would be willing to help out as a CB if needed. The kid can do anything.
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Baxter couldn't go on the PUP because he practiced during camp,, Ineligible!
As for what they think of Baxter, I'm guessing they think he's not ready to play yet... Should not be suprising given the nature of his injury..
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I guess that tells us about what they think of Baxter
This doesn't say what they think of Baxter, this says that Pool isn't necessarily going to be ready to play this week. No one expects Pool to recover while Baxter steps in and start after not having played a down all year; he's coming off torn patella tendons and that would be ridiculous.
What this says to me is that we aren't confident starting Adams at safety with a Baxter platoon (probably because Gary needs to be brought in slowly). Look for Baxter to get some work in before he handles heavy duty like a safety split.
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I would like to see Hamilton back, I thought he had potential.
Terrance "Cough Medicine" Kiel.
not a bad player, not a great one either. I am sure that sitting at home has made him rethink his past actions.
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The Browns blew it with Hamilton. The did tell him the only reason he was cut was that he was injured. His rehab will end early next week. The Browns are not able to pick him up until week 9. He will be long gone before then considering all the injuries on safeties this year already. Romeo rolled the dice and lost. He blew it and he and people like EO can try and spin it any way they like.
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The Browns blew it with Hamilton. The did tell him the only reason he was cut was that he was injured. His rehab will end early next week. The Browns are not able to pick him up until week 9. He will be long gone before then considering all the injuries on safeties this year already.
I wonder that if RAC made this move was it one that was thought out, or did he flip another coin?
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Baxter couldn't go on the PUP because he practiced during camp,, Ineligible!
As for what they think of Baxter, I'm guessing they think he's not ready to play yet... Should not be suprising given the nature of his injury..
They should have left him on the PUP during Training Camp - thereby maintaining his PUP eligibility. He didn't play pre-season and hasn't played to date.
"Saving" that roster spot looks like it might come back to haunt us.
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I wonder that if RAC made this move was it one that was thought out, or did he flip another coin?
You know, I stood up for you when you were being accused of acting in a troll manner. But if I see the "coin flip" crap one more time I may have to rethink my opinion.
It's getting real old.
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Again, he was not able to go on the PUP list, becasue he practiced with the team. The only player we had that qualified for the PUP list was LCB, and we put him therel
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If memory serves me correctly...Baxter WAS on the PUP list at the start of Training Camp - along with K2 and LCB.
K2 came off the list for the first day of TC...LCB stayed on...Baxter was removed from the list (date unknown) so he could practice.
That was the mistake...the guy was PUP'd and then they took him off. Obviuosly he hasn't been ready to date. However, last I looked, he was not on the team's "Injury List".
Baxter is listed on the Injury Report this morning. It is becoming more and more apparent that he should not have been removed from the PUP list.
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If memory serves me correctly...Baxter WAS on the PUP list at the start of Training Camp - along with K2 and LCB.
K2 came off the list for the first day of TC...LCB stayed on...Baxter was removed from the list (date unknown) so he could practice.
That was the mistake...the guy was PUP'd and then they took him off. Obviuosly he hasn't been ready to date. However, last I looked, he was not on the team's "Injury List".
Baxter is listed on the Injury Report this morning. It is becoming more and more apparent that he should not have been removed from the PUP list.
IMO Baxter won't even play this year...if he does, he shouldn't.
Braylon wasn't 100% on one ACL last year. A pattelar tear is more serious, let alone two patellar tears.
I still think he can make his comeback, just in 2008 and not 2007.
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I agree Ddub...
When the decision was made to flip the coin...neither QB looked any better than the other...it WAS a coin flip. It was basically his way of saying "hey its anyone's job, get out there and win it" People are using it as a way of knocking RACs ability to coach. I don't see it that way.
That doesn't mean I think RAC is perfect. Just get sick of hearing about something that meant nothing in camp.
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I think Robert Griffith is still out there. He would be good against the run. Our corners can fill in at safety on passing downs.
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When we drafted Brandon McDonald, a lot of you said it was a great pick up because he also played Safety...
well... where is he?
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When we drafted Brandon McDonald, a lot of you said it was a great pick up because he also played Safety...
well... where is he?
Probably right where most every other 5th round rookie is.... learning and adjusting. Did you seriously expect a 5th round rookie DB to be doing otherwise?
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"I say keep Pool in there and let him duke it out... He needs that experience..Mike Adams did pretty well, so him and Pool could split time until someone shines."
first off I hope you realize we are not searching and trying out Safeties cause we are dissatisfied with Pool. We only were carrying 3 safeties on the roster instead of the usual 4 to begin with.
We released Perry to make room for a punter - Perry was our emergency Safety.
Hamilton was put on Waived Injured list...he could get back to us in a couple of weeks.
Baxter we simply don't want to rush him as we would feel responsible if he went out there one series and damage his rehabilitation. And we don't know how he will handle the game.
We have been caught a bit with nagging injury bugs right now. Pool might be ok but he has a concussion. Adams don't know what little injury he has.
Last I heard we were going to have JJ play both ways... 
JMHO - our version of Pats use of Brown??? as a CB. JJ as a safety.
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The Browns blew it with Hamilton. The did tell him the only reason he was cut was that he was injured. His rehab will end early next week. The Browns are not able to pick him up until week 9. He will be long gone before then considering all the injuries on safeties this year already.
I wonder that if RAC made this move was it one that was thought out, or did he flip another coin?
Keeping / releasing players isn't up to RAC, its up to savage.
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Thank you for saying that because for some reason, people on this board think RAC handles the personnel moves. He might make a suggestion to Savage but Savage moves the people around, not RAC.
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Is Minter still playing...he was supposed to be a good CB. We also could have had Clements but we didn't spend the money. We must have had 10 DBs during training camp it is strange how they all disappear.
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Thank you for saying that because for some reason, people on this board think RAC handles the personnel moves. He might make a suggestion to Savage but Savage moves the people around, not RAC.
Sometimes Crennel is in the paper explaining why HE wanted to keep certain players, an article about Travis Wilson comes to mind.
You always here Savage talk about why he got certain FAs or drafted certain players. Hardly ever when it comes to why certain players making the roster over others. I pretty much knew Savage is the guy behind Practice Squad players getting cut and signed thru the season. Crennel cant coach and recruit players during the season. He might just tell Savage where he needs a little help and who aint cutting it.
Maybe a general thought that Crennel makes the final call on the roster, to start the season, is because hes the one getting interviewed about the roster decisions. It might be part of Crennels job to be Savages mouth on who gets to stay and who has to go. I know Romeo was getting a lot of heat from the national media for trading Frye and the way that went down. Even the players turned analyst were on Romeos case and they should know the process on calling the shots.
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Or,, maybe the two top Football guys talk and decide together who goes and who stays,.,
Why is it so hard for some to believe what both savage and rac have both been saying since they got here.. they work together to determine the make up of the roster,,
Remember when we signed Baxter,, of course this was a few years ago. I remember very well a presser where Savage said, he realized he could get Baxter so he ran down the hall to RAC's office and told him about it and asked him if he wanted Gbax... RAC said get him in here.....
Why is it that we find it so hard to believe that its a collaboration of sorts... Naturally, as danielle says, it's ultimatly in Savages hands because he's the GM,, but to me, it's pretty clear that it's a team effort..
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I do realize that and thought about that when I was writing that post. I forgot to add that.
I recall an article about Savage bringing tapes of Baxter and asking Romeo "How do you feel about this guy?" and Crennel said "Great, lets go get him"
On draft day, both men are sitting side by side. Savage says do you want a run stuffer or a pass rusher. Crennel says pass rusher and Savage takes Wimbley over Ngata. I feel Savage makes most of the mid to late round decisions(Wilson,Perkins) since he does most recruiting. While Crennel is preparing his team, Savage has his eyes on college prospects and soon to be FAs. But Crennel is sitting right next to him at the college all-star games and practices.
I like how they communicate and make decisions together. Butch couldnt work with others that the business hired, like Clark and Ron Wolf. They are being professional.
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I know what happens around here,, someone gets a bug up thier butt about one or the other and whoever they don't like is the culprit for any given issue,, That's really sad that agendas come into play so often,, hell, it's just a game and this is just a message board,,, it's not like it's life or death on here is it? 
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