DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum John Dorsey Cont...

Freddie and Baker were both pretty subdued in their pressers...almost as if they have given up.

Ugh.

I definitely got that vibe too.

yeah, it was a shocked/somber mood ... Baker’s lost ALL of his mojo

Over on the OBR there was a poster who was at the game who gave his observations. The first thing said was Baker has lost all his swagger. I guess you can see it live through body language, demeanor, etc.

At least we have "real" players.

Dorsey wont let this continue if it gives him a black eye. Or maybe its his way out without quitting. Berea is a weird place.

That’s what I believe as well ... the weight of expectations has been too great, and he’s playing like crap. Even worse, the players around him can’t feed off his energy like last year.

Heck, just look at his APPEARANCE from last season to now. He’s changing his identity every few days with facial hair/hair/dress, he’s gained weight, and he looks like a deer in headlights

The Philly tackle with a crazy name...Minkah Fitzpatrick...Peters that the Ravens traded for...a TE that can actually catch a TD pass thrown right to him in the back of the endzone...guys like that

You mean the players Dorsey brought in are not playing good enough? And you mean the coach he hired for one of the most lucrative (on paper) jobs in the NFL is not good enough?

I wonder who's fault that is?

J/C

So glad we used all that draft capital on all this "talent" we have. . . .

How pathetic is it that the trash ass rosters we had under hue Jackson and Eric Mangini played with way more heart than this current team?

And we’re still at the halfway point of the season.

Very. Genard Avery had a big sack yesterday for the birds.

I will give Freddie credit, he said we have a team of players, and not a team. He called it there, too bad its job to make them a team.

But, John Dorsey should not escape any of this. We had more draft capital and cap space than we knew what to do with, and he has seemingly blown it.

Also,

why Whitehead hasn't been cut yet after combining yesterdays game and his comments on twitter is all you need to know about John Dorsey.

That clown should’ve never been allowed to board the plane. I can’t believe he said that. What trash.

But you know what? Birds of a feather flock together. I know you tried to defend him but baker, the leader of the team, set the standard for how browns players are addressing the media this season.

Baker, Landry, and now Whitehead. Wonder who is next.

I didn't defend him, I said he was wrong to walk out like he did - I just happened to agree that TG had a dumb ass question.

And its going to sound like Im defending him again, but walking out and threatening to kill someone are two different things.

It’s most certainly way worse than simply walking out, for sure. I want to be clear I’m not putting those on the same level.

But discipline teams don’t have those problems. And I’m saying that the way this team addresses the media after getting beat is a reflection of our team, or lack thereof.

Give us Eric mangini and we are at least .500 IMO

I just read that Whitehead was released as of this morning. I could put the link in there (it's the Fox News one), but his Tweets were linked/embedded, and those definitely don't meet he boards posting rules.

Whitehead released


link

Pretty decent article. I have to agree..I don't see anything special about what Dorsey has done that about 1000 other GM's couldn't have done. He's squandered assets and basically just rearranged chairs on the titanic. Still hasn't addressed leadership on the defense and the coaching staff is atrocious given how valuable the job was in the offseason. One thing for sure...Peppers don't miss those tackles that our safties are .

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/11...and-browns.html

Good.

Maybe this humbling is enough to get the players' attention and just MAYBE they'll stop being caricatures of themselves and actually start being professionals.

SOMEBODY needs to step up and lead these guys.... and SOMEBODY needs to figure out why "all this talent" is completely ineffective on the field.

- Losing culture first and foremost.
- Inexcusably poor coaching.
- Zero leadership in the building.
- Team was allowed to talk and smell themselves all offseason (goes back to culture).
- Baker's confidence is gone. Second guessing what he sees. Indecisive.
- Guys more concerned with customizing cleats (culture) and fighting with the media (no discipline). It's always excused away.
- 4-2-5 defense and DBs are ricocheting off RBs and TEs in an attempt to tackle them.
- Landry and OBJ, particularly OBJ, barely participated in team drills during TC. QB and WR never had time to develop chemistry at a time that is allotted exactly for that. Now they're learning against live bullets. Thought all they had to do was show up and they'd win based on talent alone (goes back to culture).
- Zero team chemistry.

You could write quite a bit more as well.

I can't wait for the day we play meaningful football in November.

I wouldn’t say the 4-2-5 defense is bad itself but the players playing in it are not up to snuff. We all knew in the off-season we had a gaping hole next to Damarious Randall at safety. We signed Morgan Burnett and played Jermaine Whitehead. And Randall got hurt. On top of that Joe Schobert’s pass coverage has regressed.

He did pretty well as a HC until he lost Brett Favre. Then it went down hill.

Fact is, outside of some of the silly stuff, Mangini was a strong coach.

I still think Pettine would have turned out to be a good HC if it wasn't for a trash FO and being forced to deal with Manziel

I agree about Mangini. I bring him up every so often and believe he is a decent HC. Our team was disciplined when he was here and they didn't make the mistakes this one does not to mention he didn't have much talent. I'd like to see what he could do with the players we have now and the talent we have at RB. I don't know if he would take us to the SB but we'd be competitive and win some of these games.

You could insert a number of HC names here.

I agree with this.

For those pining for Mangini, I just don't see it. The team was disciplined but I just don't think he would be good handling talent players.

minus a helmet was thrown and we sat out of the playoffs.

I think the scheme is hurting Schobert's pass coverage more than Schobert actually regressing.

We are trading away guys like Genard Avery (who had a sack for the Eagles) because he doesn't fit the defensive scheme of a coach, who in all likelihood, will be fired along with the HC by the end of the season. Find a way to get the best players on the field.

This probably goes back to culture. This team is just maddening.

I thought for sure that the Avery trade was simply to load up to trade for a blue-chip OT. Since that didn't happen, I'm baffled by dealing away such a promising young talent.

You may be right. That FO was such a dumpster fire, it's hard to make any sort of conclusion from that time period, though. The other part is that Pettine was another super-duper-green HC. We hired him knowing he would be learning on the job and taking his lumps, but didn't give him any sort of time.

I have a hard time imagining him and Dorsey coexisting, much less him and OBJ and/or Landry. Even Damarious Randal and Baker, for that matter.

DABO SWINNEY... that would be my choice.

I’d like anyone with some credibility, who will garner respect, who will impose discipline, and who is smart enough to find the right OC

Dabo Swinney recently signed a 10 year $93M contract paying him $9.3M per year.

Bill Belichik makes $7.5M.

Dabo would have to be an utter moron to leave Clemson and sign up for this circus.

I'm only like 1/2 serious...

Prieffer?

You are right off course, but that would be my choice. Dabo or Urban.

I don't think we are going to get there with an NFL coach..Only with a passionate coach who wants to go down in history has the guy who turned this franchise around,which I actually think is not that far away.

Remember SF was a very bad team last year... although Kitchens is no Kyle, IMHO, and Baker is no JG.

SF was a bad team because they were absolutely decimated by injuries.