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In thinking about my own rankings.. I would probably consider moving PSU up.. maybe even to #2.

I didn't say Ohio State has run any kind of gauntlet, but what they have put together so far, is more than Alabama.

By the way, Alabama's best win is against a 3 loss team that was grossly overranked in typical SEC fashion.

1. Ohio State
2. LSU
3. Alabama
4. Penn State
5. Clemson

You may be right with 4/5 there marc

Nice play for Purdue.

Was watching Purdue-Nebraska earlier today. The Purdue QB threw a shovel pass right into the arms of a Nebraska DL for an INT. Couldn't believe it. The exact same play Baker made against the Pats. Never thought I would see the same stupid play so soon again!!

I saw that too .. it was eerily similar

Georgia should have let Jake Fromm walk and kept Justin Fields.

(This is the first college football game I've watched all season.)

Come on Virginia Tech, don't let this one get away.

ND makes just enough plays ... and gets a little help too

I will never understand the college football fans that put so much stock into the rankings of teams at the time that their teams beat...

By that, I mean, your team beats the #5 team in the country, and so all year you count that as a top 5 win...

If that's the case, as an OSU fan, can we schedule our games with Michigan in week 1 so we can get that cred too?

The only rankings that matter are the rankings of the teams you beat at the end of the year. And for the sake of the conversation, I think you can bring up where that team currently sits, as far as talking about what wins your team has.

It's hilarious though, by this logic, you can beat the #1 team in the country in week 1, and then that team goes on to lose 5 games, but hey TOP TEN WIN YALL.

I just saw someone on twitter dismiss OSU's win over an "imploding" wisconsin, while touting LSU's 3 "top ten wins". I mean, are we going to ignore that Texas is garbage, and Florida is overrated?

I am sorry, but Florida in the top ten is an absolute joke. Get out of the top 15 boys.

Florida has lost 2 of their last 3 games, but only fallen 3 spots in the AP poll, that is an absolute disgrace.

1. OHIO STATE
2. LSU
3. ALABAMA
4. PENN STATE
5. CLEMSON
6. GEORGIA
7. OREGON
8. UTAH
9. OKLAHOMA
10. FLORIDA

Florida deserves to be in the top 15.. in fact I think they definitely deserve to be the highest ranked 2 loss team and probably ahead of many 1 loss teams... I think it's odd that they are still above a couple power 5 teams that are undefeated (Minnesota for example)..

But if Florida was to play Minnesota, I would fully expect Florida to win.

Lose to LSU and Georgia....pretty good teams. Who have you played?

Good enough teams to get us to #1 in the playoff rankings. Not that this means a whole lot....it will all sort out in the next few weeks.

11warriors

The Committee says the Buckeyes are the top team in the land.

After an 8-0 start, Ohio State debuts at No. 1 in the first set of College Football Playoff rankings of the season, marking the fist time the Buckeyes have ever been the top team in the rankings.

Ohio State is joined in the top four by No. 2 LSU, No. 3 Alabama and No. 4 Penn State ahead of this weekend's matchup between LSU and the Crimson Tide.

"Ohio state has performed at a very consistent level, really good on both sides of the ball, explosive offensive playmakers and chase young is as disruptive a defensive player as there is in the country," committee chairman Rob Mullens said regarding Ohio State's ranking. "They perform at a consistently high level every week."

The Buckeyes have two wins over two teams ranked in the debut College Football Playoff rankings – No. 20 Cincinnati and No. 13 Wisconsin – with games against No. 14 Michigan and No. 4 Penn State remaining on the regular season slate, along with a potential Big Ten Championship matchup.

Of the five teams ranked No. 1 in the initial College Football Playoff rankings, three of them were still No. 1 in the final rankings and four of them ultimately made the playoff. However, the team ranked in the top of the initial rankings has never won the national title.

Here are the full rankings:

RANK # TEAM CONFERENCE RECORD
1 OHIO STATE BIG TEN 8-0
2 LSU SEC 8-0
3 ALABAMA SEC 8-0
4 PENN STATE BIG TEN 8-0
5 CLEMSON ACC 9-0
6 GEORGIA SEC 7-1
7 OREGON PAC-12 8-1
8 UTAH PAC-12 8-1
9 OKLAHOMA BIG 12 7-1
10 FLORIDA SEC 7-2
11 AUBURN SEC 7-2
12 BAYLOR BIG 12 8-0
13 WISCONSIN BIG TEN 6-2
14 MICHIGAN BIG TEN 7-2
15 NOTRE DAME INDEPENDENT 6-2
16 KANSAS STATE BIG 12 6-2
17 MINNESOTA BIG TEN 8-0
18 IOWA BIG TEN 6-2
19 WAKE FOREST ACC 7-1
20 CINCINNATI AMERICAN 7-1
21 MEMPHIS AMERICAN 8-1
22 BOISE STATE MOUNTAIN WEST 7-1
23 OKLAHOMA STATE BIG 12 6-3
24 NAVY AMERICAN 7-1
25 SMU AMERICAN 8-1

Bama may finally get screwed by their SOS ... that is, if they lose to LSU

They could

What does it matter who I played? You should drop more than 3 spots if you lose 2 of 3.

By the way, Florida has only beaten a decent auburn team.

Like I said, that is an absolute disgrace that they moved down a grand total of three spots. Everyone else in the country is punished for losses except the SEC because of their BS preseason rankings.

Absolute joke.

Ok...

They were undefeated and ranked 7 after beating Auburn (currently 11), fell 2 spots after losing to LSU (currently 2), rose 2 spots after beating South Carolina (unranked), rose 1 spot on a bye week, dropped 4 spots after losing to Georgia (currently 8)

The only thing in there that looks out of whack is rising 2 spots for beating unranked USC and 1 spot on a bye week... but what was happening during this 2 or 3 week span is that Wisconsin lost to Northwestern and dropped (then to OSU), Oklahoma lost to K State and dropped, Notre Dame lost to Michigan and dropped a few..

So it wasn't so much what Florida did or didn't do to justify moving up a few spots as it was other teams losing to vacate those spots and a number of teams moved up a few that they probably wouldn't have.

As far as I'm concerned, the first ranking list is fun to see, but it means almost nothing. There are so many big game yet to be played, so it's hard to argue where anyone is at right now.

OSU could be #1 or #5....wouldn't matter. If they win out in either case, they'll be in (by beating PSU).

I kind of hope we see two Big10 and SEC teams in the CFP. That would force expansion. I think 6 would be perfect, 8 is too many. And don't take one from each conference for the 6, just take the top 6 and play it out like the NFL bracket. Done. If you go 8, a loss or two in the regular season is almost meaningless, heck, 6 is already pushing that too.

I don't see that happening because I doubt anybody in the ACC gets close to beating Clemson and it's hard to keep out the defending NC who went undefeated, again.. even though their schedule is pretty weak.


I'm confused, the NFL takes each division winner and 2 WCs.. what you are suggesting would be totally different than what the NFL does.


I disagree, it just means your season isn't over for one loss to another high caliber team... the other thing going to 6 makes it easier for you to do is take a 1 loss team who doesn't get the benefit of playing in the conference championship..

Could very well happen in the BIG10 this year... the loser of the OSU vs PSU game gets a loss, plus loses a chance at another game in the conference championship.. could likely keep them out even though I think both teams might deserve a shot.

It also allows you to include a team like Baylor if they go undefeated without feeling like you have to leave out a "better" team to do it.

I think 6 is a good number.

Oh, just how the bracket is built, that's all. 1 & 2 get a bye while 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5.

I don't think a conference deserves an automatic bid in college football, at least the way the schedule and records are built. If an undefeated OSU team were to lose in the Big10 title game to a crappy 3-loss team in the West division (there just so happens to be a non-crappy Minnesota this year, but you know what I mean), is everyone okay sending that 3-loss team to the playoff? I'd still rather see OSU if we're building the playoff based on the "best teams in college football".

I suppose you can't have it both ways. In the NFL, if you win the division and then advance, you get to keep playing. But in college football, it's more about who you are, where you were pre-season ranked, who you beat and if you're peaking at the right time and ratings.

Meaning, if we want to fully go conference bid based on the conference title game, why play anyone out of conference at all? Just line up Texas Christian State Academy of the Deaf for all your non-conference games because they just became meaningless.



Yeah, there are so many scenarios right now, it's kind of messy. I'd like to see a team like Minnesota and Baylor get in if they run the table. It's hard to put them in the top 4 with Bama, Clemson, OSU and PSU....but putting them 5th and 6th at the end, sure.

The thing I like about college football, each loss matters. If OSU were to lose this weekend, it would be devastating. If OSU were to lose against PSU, it might not be devastating, but it would make selection Sunday super worrisome. Meaning, each loss has huge-to-medium consequences.

If we expand to 8 teams, that tension doesn't matter so much for a team like Bama or OSU. Heck, didn't Michigan finish 8th with two loses last year? I don't want to see them playing in the playoff. I think 4 might be perfect, but expanding to 8 way too much. Six is a good compromise.

I agree. the advantage the NFL has is that by playoff time, you have played every other team in your division TWICE and you also have a very similar out of division schedule with only 2 games different. It's a pretty level playing field to determine the best team. In college you only play everybody on your side of the division once, a few teams from the other side, and you can set up your other games however you want.


Dude, if OSU loses this weekend I'm going to be totally unbearable for years... I know it would just be one game but I will live off that one game for a LOOOOOONNNNNGGGG time.


March Madness went from 16 to 32 to 64 to 68... I know hoops is different and you can play multiple games a week... but they went from 16 to 32 primarily because they only took conference champions and the best team didn't always win the conference and good teams were getting left out. In fact some years teams ranked 1 or 2 in the country weren't in the tournament because they lost their conference championship. Don't want that.

I think 6 is a great number, just like you said 3vs6 and 4vs5 with 1 and 2 getting a bye.

round 1 this year on Dec 28
round 2 Jan 4
Championship Jan 13

Some good meaningful games prior to January 1 would be cool.

Done.

Not when you are good and play in the best conference is the land.

Some losses don't hurt as much as others.

Who have you played?

You know, your whataboutism is really showing.

First of all, have I said that Ohio State has run some gauntlet? No, I haven’t. But hey, they’ve played better teams than Alabama has right now, and while you think the SEC is the best conference (lol) it’s really been a one team conference the last few years. More than half of their games have been against absolute trash.

But hey, this is all coming from a guy who conveniently vanished from these college football threads when Ohio State beat Alabama in the sugar bowl.

Like I said, Florida is a decent team but it’s laughable that they are anywhere near the top 10.

Who has anybody near the top of the SEC played? Oh, that's right, they have played each other... so based on meaningless pre-season rankings, they are all really good.

Out of conference LSU beat Texas, who is sinking like a stone. Alabama beat 4-4 Duke. Georgia beat perpetually overrated Notre Dame. Florida beat 5-4 Miami....

But their losses to each other don't matter because we were all told before the season that these were really good teams so it's a quality loss.

Ohio State beat Cincinnati, which ranks with any of the SEC out of conference wins.

Who you putting ahead of them?

I think an undefeated Minnesota should be ahead of them.. then you get into 1 loss teams..

Cincy, Memphis, Wake Forest, Boise State, SMU, San Diego State, Navy

other 2 loss teams..
Auburn, Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Iowa, K State

Sure, you might be able to make an argument to move a couple of them up, even ahead of Florida.. but Florida absolutely belongs between 15-10.

Baylor, Minnesota, Oklahoma

What I don’t think people understand that a loss should count more than anything. Regardless of who you lose to, there should be emphasis on it. Just too many teams to just give them a pass because you lost to good teams. That’s not how it works.

Penn state got denied a playoff spot to OSU a few years ago because of a second loss despite the fact that they won their conference and beat osu. Osu had one loss to psi’s two.

Can’t have it both ways. Florida isn’t a top ten team.

Auburn beat Oregon!!!!

Yup, and that’s about it.

It’s funny that he blindly just comes in here every year and pom poms the sec, and then when the sec gets beaten in bowl season/playoffs, he’ll vanish or make up the hilarious “well they didn’t want to be there/the sec championship is the real championship/etc

It’s like clockwork. I have no problem saying when the sec is the best conference, and a bunch of times over the last decade, they have been, but the last few years it’s been a meh conference outside of Alabama. But hoo-boy will sec fans claim Alabama championships as their own.

The big ten has been a very good conference this year. Arguably better than the sec but you’ll never hear an sec fan concede that.

Sec fans always have a go-to excuse, and even if they don’t, they just move the goalposts back, no pun intended.

Minnesota is looking like they are for real this year.

Or Penn State isn't

Interesting 2nd half coming for Minnesota

Or they are.

24-19 now. It’s going to come down to the last possession.

31-19 Minny

Baylor is imploding.

Nothing like icing your own kicker Baylor.

....or to switch kickers and make my stmt look stupid.

OT?

Penn St. will get one last shot.