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Extortion is illegal.

KOB is right. Testimony doesn't equal guilt... whatever that means. And unethical doesn't equal illegal... So KOB, it's ok to have an unethical POTUS in your eyes?

Y'all need to stop. You look like fools defending this man. Please have some dignity and just stop.

I find it hilarious that Quid Pro Quo is failing so then you change it to finding dirt on a political opponent, and that is failing, so you move on to extortion.

Almost like GOPers changing their defense daily, except not really because identifying the underlying quid pro quo in easy to understand terms like extortion or bribery actually makes sense.

I called BS on quid pro quo from the start (post #1685806, Impeachment/Gauntlet).

It's a protection racket shakedown.
Shakedowns are extortion.
Extortion is illegal.

Keep on throwing that spaghetti against the wall and maybe someday, something will stick.

It is what it is. It was extortion.

So I guess we extorted Turkey when we said we would crush their economy if they went crazy on the Kurds?

We extorted China when we told them we want free trade and protection of intellectual property or we would place tariffs on their goods?

You really need to get out more.

There was no personal gain for Trump in those threats and even though we didn't agree on his tactics, those were legal. Read a book once in a while. Start with a dictionary.

To use congressionally approved money in an attempt to interfere with the elections isn't the same thing. Trump was using tax payer funded money to extort a nation into helping attack a political rival. Even someone as slanted as you has to be able to understand the difference.

You make this so easy.

And there was no personal gain for Trump by ordering the investigation the involvement of Ukraine in the Russian Collusion Hoax, interference in our 2016 elections or the possible involvement of a sitting Vice President in Ukraine Corruption.

Point of order: ALL federal money is taxpayer funded.

Carry on.

PUH-lease! Trump getting the Ukrainian President to 'announce' investigations into the Bidens is absolutely a personal gain! And if he was so worried about 2016 this would have happened in 2017. But no, he is seeking it in the run up to the 2020 election! Don't even pretend you can't see that.

That’s rich. The aid in question is lethal military assistance that the Obama-Biden administration refused to give Ukraine.

In 2014, after Russia annexed Crimea and began arming separatists in eastern Ukraine with tanks, armored vehicles and rocket launchers, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko came to Washington to plead for weapons to defend his country. In an impassioned address to a joint session of Congress — with Biden sitting directly behind him — Poroshenko said his country appreciated the nonlethal assistance he was getting, but declared “one cannot win a war with blankets.”

The Obama-Biden administration was unmoved. The Wall Street Journal reported at the time that “President Barack Obama stuck to his refusal to provide weapons or other lethal military gear to Ukraine.” Why?

Team Obama feared that lethal aid would provoke Moscow.

So what did the administration give him? Instead of rocket-propelled grenades, we provided food rations. As one frustrated former Pentagon official put it at the time, “What kind of message does that send anyway?”

https://nypost.com/2019/10/09/sorry-joe-team-obama-refused-to-arm-ukraine-at-all/

Was that money that was approved by congress for military aid to Ukraine? Was it used for some political gain by Obama?

Once again you try to avoid the subject matter.

I never would have known that had you not informed me.

I'm aware of that. That is why I posted. You are welcome.

Even if we ignore the numerous laws that the President has broken, impeachment does not require the law to be broken.

Misdemeanor has 2 definition and I think that is what confuses people.
The most common usage today in an minor crime as in felony or misdemeanor.

At the of our Founding Father's, the other definition was the more common use. That meaning is misdeed or to conduct or behave (oneself) in a improper manner.

You do understand “this for that” “a favor for a favor” literally means “Quid Pro Quo”. Which in this case it’s a bribe using American tax payers money. A bribe is extortion. Or in gansta terms. A shake down.

Prove he extorted anything. I have yet to see a single shred of proof that would pass scrutiny by a court that he has done anything he is accused of.

Watch the hearings on NOT FOX, you can't miss it when you don't filter it.

I don't need to stop anything. If someone testimony accusing you or murdering someone and they have not a single shred of evidence, are you guilty?

If your boss decides to fire you from a job in an at-will employment state because you failed to secure a company contract, and you used said company resources he gave you permission to use and later fires you for it, even though its unethical, is it illegal?

The answer to both of those questions is no, good luck ever winning any of those cases in court.

being unethical does NOT always equate to being illegal.

Prove Trump used his office for personal, financial or political gain.

Prove Trump tried to coerce Ukraine President into doing something for him for political gain(despite the fact the Ukraine President said no such thing occurred)

Prove Trump asked Ukraine about Biden for any reason other than to investigate corruption involving an American politician.

Folks don't get it, There is no way he is going to be removed from office. They have no way to prove any of this, testimony doesn't matter, you can't prove testimony true without evidence, and the fact Trump is releasing even more transcripts proves this.

I really do hope this does go to the Senate, so he beats it quickly and makes the Dems look like the joke that they are.

The Dems should be focused on infrastructure bills, helping folks with precription drugs, medical insurance, etc...you know...all the things they promised they would do when they got elected in the House...instead all they have done is try to impeach a president they don't like instead of doing what they promised to help the American people.

Everyone should be mad at the Dems not just Republicans or anyone else. I was mad at the Repubs when all they done was say No to Obama and i ended up helping vote them out because it was BS then and is BS now...this is a horse and pony show...

There is all kinds of evidence KOB. And if he is impeached and beats in quickly in the Senate, he will still have been impeached. BTW, beating it in the Senate means very little in the way of proving innocence because the GOP is hellbent on putting party over country with this man.

Screw it. I’m going to be a republican and run for office or apply for a position in DC. They clearly hire anyone these days so easy 6 figure gig

Mina Chang: Senior Trump official 'faked Time magazine cover and inflated claims in CV'

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mina-chang-senior-trump-official-224609053.html

A senior State Department's impressive resume appears to be loaded with exaggerated claims that inflate her credentials and experience, according to reports.

NBC News claims that Mina Chang, a deputy assistant secretary in the State Department's Bureau of Conflict and Stability Operations, also faked an issue of Time magazine with her face on the cover and made false claims about graduating from Harvard University and her appointment to a nonexistent position with the United Nations, among other misleading lines in her State Department biography and LinkedIn experience.

The broadcaster says she also claimed to have testified before Congress and addressed both Republican and Democrat conventions, though there is no evidence to support those claims.

Neither Ms Chang nor the State Department responded to The Independent's requests for comment.

Prior to her role with the State Department, Ms Chang apparently served as CEO of the nonprofit organisation Linking the World from 2010 to 2019. The IRS revoked the nonprofit foundation's tax-exempt status in May after it had failed to file returns from the previous three years.

Ms Chang reportedly claims the organisation helped build schools across the globe, including in Afghanistan, Myanmar, Haiti and Kenya, but NBC's review of IRS returns from 2014 to 2015 do not include information about building and operating schools, staff, or whether any funding was committed to projects in those countries, it said. Linking the World's 2015 filing does not apparently report any overseas employees despite her claims of large-scale humanitarian aid projects abroad.

In a video on the nonprofit's website, Ms Chang holds up a cover of Time featuring her face. A spokesperson for Time told NBC that the cover was "not authentic."

As deputy secretary, Ms Chang earns a six-figure salary in a bureau with a $6 million budget.

Her State Department biography, which remains unchanged following the NBC News report, includes claims that she is an "alumna" of the Harvard Business School and has undergraduate degrees from Southern Methodist University and the University of the Nations, an unaccredited Christian school with volunteer teachers.

To her more than 42,000 Instagram followers, Ms Chang is a world-travelling humanitarian rubbing elbows with some of Washington's elite, from former President Bill Clinton and retired General David Petraeus to Republican operative Karl Rove and former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.

Claims about Ms Chang's CV come against a background of dubious career claims from appointed officials, raising questions as to whether the Trump White House is closely vetting candidates for roles in its administration.

Among the record-breaking number of staff exits from the Trump White House, several would-be officials and staffers have been dismissed or removed from consideration after reports suggested a lack of qualifications.

Last year, Ronny Jackson, who was in line as the president's pick for the head of the Department of Veterans Affairs, was revealed to have been drinking on the job as the White House's top doctor, and he reportedly supplied Percocet to a military aide without a prescription.

In August, Texas congressman John Ratcliffe, poised to be the next director of national intelligence, was removed from consideration for the role after several reports revealed he had exaggerated his experience, including overseeing a bust of 300 undocumented immigrants.

Last year, 24-year-old Taylor Weyeneth was fired from the White House after a Washington Post report traced his rapid ascent within the administration despite not having any relevant professional experience.

You will never see evidence you refuse to look at.

GOP senators plan to tune out impeachment week

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/469706-gop-senators-plan-to-tune-out-impeachment-week

And neither will they.

Your personal lawyer doesn't carry out foreign affairs. He doesn't try to force foreign governments to look into a president's conspiracy theory. And the president certainly doesn't withhold funds approved by congress to protect themselves based on doing Trump's dirty work for him.

Stay tuned......

Sorry, I'm not as stupid as the people you seem to surround yourself with. You'll have to keep hanging with a lower class if you actually wish to appear smarter than someone else. It hasn't happened here at any point in time.

Not even worth my time.

lolololololol

"i hardly knew the guy, maybe i have a photo with him, i dont remember"

Were all those counts federal? Stone and Trump go way back. I wonder if Trump will pardon him.

BTW, Schiff is putting on a master class in getting the info out to Americans. He and Pelosi are light years ahead of Trump and company on this stuff.

Yes they were federal charges.

Pro-Trump pastor: If Dems win in 2020, God will unleash his ‘final judgment upon this nation’

https://deadstate.org/pro-trump-pastor-i...on-this-nation/

the 1-2 minute podcast is pure gold. smh

I love my faith.. I am so sick of these morons making it so damn hard on all of us... seriously, just STFU.

Ohio farmer who left GOP over Trump's agricultural policy to challenge Jim Jordan

An Ohio farmer who left his post as chairman of a local Republican Party — in part over President Trump’s agricultural policies — is considering mounting a challenge to Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio).

The Toledo Blade reports Chris Gibbs, a cattle farmer and former chairman of the Shelby County Republican Party, is launching an exploratory committee as he mulls running against Jordan for his seat in Congress.

Gibbs is considering running against Jordan as independent and plans to formally announce the launch of his campaign Wednesday, according to the news outlet.

Gibbs has been a frequent guest on cable news outlets, including CNN and MSNBC, knocking Trump for his trade war with China that he said has negatively impacted American farmers.

“Tariffs for agriculture have been devastating,” Gibbs told the Blade. “In northwest Ohio, [farmers] have had a heck of a time.”

The soybean and corn farmer voted for Trump in 2016 but said he wouldn’t support the president in 2020 even if Trump walked on water.

Gibbs said he is ready to take on Jordan, who is one of Trump’s most vocal supporters and a key defender of the president in the ongoing impeachment inquiry.

“People are tired of the vitriol in Washington, on both sides,” Gibbs said.

“It isn’t just Jim Jordan. It’s the vitriol back and forth and the lack of ability to roll up your sleeves and get something done for the American people.”

Gibbs would have an uphill battle in a possible race against Jordan, who overwhelmingly won reelection in 2018 and represents a district that went for Trump by a margin of 33 points in the 2016 election.

He told the Blade that constituents in the district want to see legislation get passed, not politicking in support of the president.

“Legislation is not wrestling. It isn’t pin and get points. Jim Jordan believes it’s wrestling,” Gibbs said, a reference to the lawmaker's history as a state wrestling champion.

Gibbs is not alone in his desire to take on Jordan for his seat. If he enters the race, Gibbs would join Democrats Shannon Freshour, Mike Larson, and Jeffrey Sites in challenging the longtime congressman.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/47...o-challenge-jim


I might actually donate to a GOPer campaign.

A dem will probably win this seat.