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It's unofficially toast. I hope our backups come out and play with a fire fueled by the adversity. That would be amazing.

I'd worry about the Steelers "cheap shotting" except they just always do that anyways.

I don't think the season is over my any stretch.

So you think a person should suffer irreparable or life altering harm cause he likes Tami Lauren or is a conservative WOW that's a sad comment

j/c

Lost in all the ado about Garrett is this: We intercepted Rudolph 4 times, and yet we still only scored 21 points. Yes, 2 missed field goals, I know.

Does that concern anyone else?

I have no problem with being a conservative, I have a problem with you not being able to use deductive reasoning and put two and two together.

1. He was alleged he used a racial slur.
2. Tomi Larhan although very attractive, is a right wing extremeist to the point she doesn't even hide her racism.
3. Mason has like other alt right groups on and tweets as well.
4. Myles, a normall calm and collective person, doesn't just go 0-60 like that for no reason. Something tells me was egged on.

Whats a sad comment, is you are going to try to stick up for a guy that kicked a guy in the groin, tried to rip his helmet off, tried to bull rush him, allegedly called him a racial slur, and who plays for the steelers instead of the calm, collective person we know Myles is.

I wonder why? Hmmmm

A little concerning, I think if we score 27 it doesn’t feel as bad. Definitely didn’t capitalize like we should have, but to be fair, the Steelers D is pretty good.

Yes. Cause to effect
... our OL was beat more so than they won their 1/11th.

Neither do I. The road will definitely more difficult to travel. I look forward to seeing more of Laurence DT...

We have lost most of the D....Garrett, Burnett, Ogunjobi, etc....

We are sunk.

Not quite, but admittedly we are hurting. It ain't over 'til the Fat Lady sings. Have faith, SB...

You know Willit I read your posts all the time and I think they are great but I and I Think MYLES was wrong and disagree with you and as I saw today even he takes the blame for what he did,and I don't want to get into a peeing match with you, but I was shocked that you think that a guy should get his skull bashed in for the reasons you stated.....peace

Didnt ray rice knock a woman unconscious and then drag her limp body from a elevator? If I am correct he only was suspended 4 games. Your telling me what Garrett did was worse than that?

Yes, because it was televised nationally; nobody had to spend weeks digging to find video of it by which time most people had stopped caring.

The most important thing: Browns Win. Won by a Myles

Who cares if it was on national television. Your saying it's ok for players to do something much worse then what Garrett did as long as it's not on tv? Please, it should be the crime that matters not how many millions did or didnt see it. To .ich politics in football and Goodell plays favorites.

She wasn't a QB. This has gotten stupid coverage. This wasn't all MG.

I don't approve, but I can understand. He may not have known how many people he was down, like three or four on one. No choirboys in this brawl. The NFL maximum here legitimizes how incredibly awful it was.

I am not arguing in favor of what Myles did. But some other helmet incidents got less 'time.' I think one was with Incognito, IIRC.

I don't care if Rudolph is suspended, his punishment should be a kick in the pants, preferably from Gillan.

I'm not sure how many have been kicked square in the jewels, but I think Myles showed considerable restraint in letting himself be separated. If someone kicked me in the balls, charged at me and swung in that general direction again, all bets would be off. You just don't do that to another man.

Yupppp

I just hope this whole thing kickstarts the offense, because now they know they are going to need to score in bushels. The pass rush is not going to be very good.

The whole thing is disappointing. What an absolute waste of a year.

They put up 21 on one of the top rated defenses. Had the field goals been made it would have been more.

The only score they had was a gift of 58 yards in penalties.

Point is, they made a statement. They flat out beat them. The fight is overshadowing a dominating performance.

two wins in the division over the two teams above them in the standings

WE BEAT THE STEELERS!!!!!!!

*I* am not saying it is ok.
I am saying the *NFL* sees it this way because they ARE swayed by the tides of public opinion where they feel they need to be.

Simply put, things that happen Live and in front of you are perceived to be more horrible than things you read about or view later from some security video, and if there is one absolute undeniable fact that we know about the NFL, all they care about is how they are perceived.

They do not care about the players hitting women, they need to be perceived as caring so as not to alienate; doubly so once they set females as a targeted demographic to increase viewership and spending.

They do not care about concussions; they care about NFLPA lawyers thinking they care about them enough for there to not be further lawsuits

They do not care about veterans or the military, they care about DoD dollars coming in that pays them for their faux displays of patriotism like the full field-sized flags, and the viewership that comes with it - it makes for good TV

They do not care about the players smoking pot or using other substances; they simply need to have the appearance of caring which is why a small handful of "name" players will be sacrificed on the altar every year yet usage remains in the ballpark of 80%+ within the league

SO, when you have something like this happen on national TV on a day where it is the ONLY game and sporting event that ANYONE will be talking about not just the next day but through the weekend, they NEED to be seen as having "zero tolerance" and not dragging their feet (like they've done with every single domestic violence case), and thus, they act swiftly and over-react because that is preferable to the story becoming how they didn't act, or they didn't come down hard enough. They need to the story to stay where it is and not have public scrutiny shift the story to being about how they handled it.

They released the tape of the incident. Here's what Myles said to Rudolph:

"Nobody comes in to our house and hands us a Win! NOBODY!!!!"

I fell sleep at the end woke up and askd myself...why is he in the game up by 14?? where are the coaches

BS. Not just picking on you (welcome to the board, lol) because everybody always tries to nitpick on coaching with hindsight.

We punted with 1:46 left... Didn't New England just beat us a few years back with two TDs in the last 90 seconds?? Yep. The message is you play four quarters... They're still running real plays, we're gonna leave real players on the field.

If they started marching straight down the field with starters on the sidelines, everybody would be screaming that Freddie is in over his head.

Well you see, it is no longer a "sporting" event but rather transitioning to "entertainment". The players are merely pawns in a hugely expensive (and overpriced/hyped) spectacle. When Money comes in the front door, the sport part is forced out the back door (ref. NASCAR, for one)...

will, just a couple of thoughts.
1. Who heard this racist slur and has been quoted as having heard it? What color were the guys who were pounding on Myles in defense of Rudolph?

2. I have listened to Lauren some. Never heard racism unless a listener is one of those looks who think defending the border is racist.

3. Riley did not “stick up for” rudolph. He mostly just agreed with Myles and Freddie that Myles screwed up. There are posters who have called Myles a thug and I think that is bologna, but he did screw up. And he and the browns are paying a horrible price!

What incident? what tape does he say this?

That was an attempt at humor. Sorry.

Stick to your day job

No, I'd say turn your sarcasm meter on.

I thought it was pretty damn funny.

I laughed too.

Myles is being excessively held accountable for what he did... Mason is being treated like a victim... that's primarily why people are ticked off.

I read an article from SI today and all it said about Mason's involvement in the whole incident was: "The fight started when Rudolph tugged at Garrett's helmet... " then went on to detail second by second of what Myles did..

That's why I'm mad.. freaking be fair. Mason is a punk.

If the fact that it was a national game has anything to do with it, that just proves that the NFL is far more concerned about image than they are about safety...

I will admit though, a big part of the problem is that it happened on a Thursday.. there was literally NOTHING else to talk about until they started to ramp up the Sunday games... 2 days of nothing but this.

And this is WAY worse than what Garrett did.

Garrett didn't take the helmet off in order to use it as a weapon. He just didn't have time to think as he was being pushed and charged at. He just swung his hand not thinking. The whole thing took place in a few seconds. Anyone who's ever been in a fight knows you don't have time to think about stuff like opening your hand.

That's what makes me so mad. Everyone acting like Garrett did a monstrous pre-planned thing. He was being attacked and swung lightly on his back foot as he was moving away responding to violence coming at him.

Makes me sick. Honestly if Garrett just took it off and bashed him while he was on the ground, I'd be better with it, cuz I'd just say "wow, what a monster, he should be cut." but it wasn't like that AT ALL.

But ofc since he plays for the Browns they need to find a way to screw us the rest of the season.

Should be 4 game suspension max.

IMO, if these types of comments gain momentum there’s a chance the NFL here’s the appeal seriously

He was outnumbered, and may have been and probably uncertain about how many were on him or attacking. He evened the odds a bit. The NFL didn't just give us another vague penalty suspension (indefinite) for the rest of the season and all post-season. They hung us out to dry; actually hung us out to dry in Limbo. We should be able to deal with the consequences of a penalty and account for them, and try to compensate before the next game. Punishing a team and player and owner goes beyond fining them. IMO it is either unfair or it is the case that the NFL lacks a sensible and cogent metric for its punishments, its reach exceeding its hammer as far as secondary consequences. None of this excuses his actions; none of it validates sloppy NFL disciplinary procedures. Self-defense can be a brutal and absolute right we do not surrender.

people need to stop saying Garrett was outnumbered...He was being held by a olineman, who was also trying to keep Mason away..the oline was trying to prevent it from escalating on BOTH sides...after Myles hit him with helmet is when other steelers jumped in

2 against 1 is out-numbered. Myles took a shot to his boys from Rudolph while trying to fend off DeCastro.