Well, it WAS a great win over the Steelers.

But we possibly lost our best DE for the season.

Overall,

Mayfield with 3 total TDs!! 2 passing and 1 rushing.

Play call was still suspect as all hell, but overall, way better performance, and going against back to back elite defenses!

And more importantly , NO TURNOVERS

Typical Browns ... can’t even enjoy a win over PIttsburgh because of our lack of discipline and professionalism

Final 10 seconds took 20 minutes

I don't think Garrett will be out for the year. I think he'll at least be out for the next two games.

My guess: He’s out for Dolphins and Steelers and is fined the biggest fine possible

Quick reaction. Rudolph should have been ejected.

Pouncey and garret could be suspended for multiple weeks.

Pouncey could be gone longer than garrett.

How can any of us root for Miles again?

Very easily.

Were you a Browns fan in the 80's and 90's? Lol..

My thoughts exactly

Not A Good Look just got a brand new definition.

I'm pissed as I think Garrett could have handled things better. However... its the Steelers.. they've bullied us for YEARs.

Good to see Baker ridicule his teammate on national tv... Sarcasm.. smdh..

Rudolph should get whatever Garrett gets.

Mayfield needs to shut up with his post game comments.

No. He shouldn't.

easy

Please elaborate why?

I am glad he did. He is playing with a bunch of idiot thugs like Myles.

Why? He's telling it like it is. Its inexcusable, Garrett is a moron, that's not Mayfield's problem. I thought he handled it well.

Multiple punches and kicks garretts head when he was laying on the ground.

Right, he should have let THREE Steelers beat his ass. You would have cheered that I'll bet. Here's hoping we cut him tomorrow and he goes to the Steelers and KILLS us every time we face him. Just for fans like you. Way to stand behind your team.

Correct.

Garrett has to be gone for the year - that was the worst thing I've seen since the Haynesworth head-stomp (and might be worse)...

Kitchen's is also responsible - he was asking for trouble sending three all-out blitzes in the last 1 minute when up 14. You don't do that, and the Steelers were right to be pissed.

But at the end of the day, you can't swing a helmet at a helmetless player - one inch or two and Rudolph could be dead now -- the idea that he was asking for it by getting into a shoving match is just silly.

He screwed up, will be punished, and will return with more discipline.

Understatement of the century.

Garret is not the only Brown getting suspended...

Kicked thier butts and 3 players ejected in the process. Doing them the same way they used to do us, except I don't remember James Harrison ever being ejected for laying people out.

Anyone who thinks Myles is a thug is an idiot.

So weird that the word thug is only used for certain people.

We are standing behind the team. You are standing behind Myles thuggish behavior.

Kareem Hunt is on the team.

Fine. Cut him. We don't need guys like that. We need guys that will stand there and let three Steelers beat his ass while fans like you cheer for them to do so. I hope we do cut him. I hope he kicks our ass every time we face him.

Right after rudolph tried to decapitate garrett.

j/c:

That was one crazy ending. 'Temporary insanity strikes Myles Garrett.' I'm thinking he'll probably be gone the rest of the season? At least? We shall see.

Regardless, we beat Pittsburgh! YES!!!!!!!

Thought we would lose the game. Didn't but still feels bad.
Open message to Myles.... What in the SAM HELL where you thinking son?
I would not be surprised if you become untouchable goods after your season ending brain fart. Peoples careers have ended for less.

Myles Garrett is the last person I would expect to do this. He's uber chill.

Amen, brother!! I was saying the same things early to my parents while we were watching. "They'll do something where you'll still go to bed mad, even after a win."
Unbelievable.

Up 14, 20 seconds left, walk away. no matter what they did or didn't do. That was just not a smart ply by Garrett.

Why noty? He wrenched the helmet first, then after Garret retaliates pulling his helmet off Rudolph keeps coming at him trying to snatch him. Then Garret swings the helmet and Pouncey and the other lineman give him a quick beating.

How is Garret the main culprit there? Because he swung the helmet? Nah, they were all wrong.

Yes.

So it's thugish behavior to fight back when THREE Steelers are fighting you? He didn't START the fight. He was taking on THREE Steelers that kept after him. All because their QB is a sissy and didn't like being sacked again. But sure he's a bum and we SHOULD cut him. I really hope we do and I hope the Steelers sign him. I would really like that.

I agree. but As they say.. be afraid of the quiet ones.

Just saw Pouncey's kick. He should be out for a few games too.

Happy we won.
Not happy about what Garrett did. No excuse for that.
Defense won the game.
Offense still needs work.

Not an excuse for myles but if the refs would call the holds on him fairly, then he would not have building frustrations that erupt like they did....the steelers LT held him on almost every pass rush with what 1 or 2 flags? That is why he took Rudolph down late.

We can only hope they suspend the coach.

Which one? There was about 4 punches in there too abs like 3-4 kicks to the head.

yes he should.

Myles is getting at least this much. He should be gone for the year. You CANNOT swing a helmet and strike another player in the head with it. You CANNOT. It's not that difficult of a concept to understand.

Yes

Everything good about this game was flushed by Myles' actions. I am disgusted and disappointed. This is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in typical Browns fasion. The storyline until we play them again will be this. Garret won't even be playing when we have to go into their house to be booed and hated by their fan base. The Steelers get exactly what they wanted. Instead of leaving tonight with their tails between their legs, they win the emotional battle and will be fired up to kick our asses in two weeks. We handed them the fire and gasoline to burn us down. And once again, we are complete losers on the national stage. Doesn't matter that Rudolph started it. Unless he called Garret the N-word, there is no excuse for hitting him like that. This is un-f-ing-believable.

Like anything will be done about using the word thug here...

Anyway...

Myles, that was dumb.

Freddie has no control of this team. The scheme still sucks.

I don't have a problem with Myles Garrett being suspended.

He's been a hot head all season. He has multiple roughing the passer type calls against him all year, and keeps putting our team in a bad position.

And now he's lost his mind and gone overboard.

Good, suspend his dumb ass and let him learn a lesson.

I will have more comments about this game after the Myles Garrett crap settles.

We were all ready to celebrate a win and then this dude embarrasses our team on national tv? Sit his ass on the bench.

And what Garrett did was way worse. Be prepared to have Garrett own the longest on field suspension in NFL history.

Screw Miles.

Freaking embarrassing.

I don’t give a bleep what Rudolph did to start it, the second Garrett swung that helmet, he became the bad guy. That clip just went viral and will be seen by millions across the world.

I just watched the fight again, Rudolph got PWNED:

You're so far out in left field with your comments you're as crazy as Garrett.

That was great!
That idiot got his head smashed in!
Stealers went home with multiple injuries!
See you idiot stealers in 2 weeks!!!!

I agree to a point ... What Rudolph did does Matter if he didn't start this it would not have happened ...

there are some OVER REACTIONS on this board... Garrett will be suspended. #65 will be fined. Pouncey will be suspended some games because he was kicking a dude when he was down..

We aint cutting Garrett and the Steelers aint cutting Pouncey.

I just want them to be fair with the suspensions
Garrett - 4 or 5 games
Rudolph - 2 games
Pouncey - 3 games

DeCastro and Ogunjobi -maybe 1 game

If you look at all of the suspensions and injuries coming out of this game, it may take both teams out of any hope of getting into the playoffs.

Wake up.

Funniest ending ever!
Watching it again.
Rudolph..what an idiot..

I won't have a problem whatsoever.

What I'm disgusted with are the fans turning their back on one of our best players for standing up to THREE Steelers that were fighting him. But it's ALL his fault and no one else is to blame. Right. I really do hope we cut him and I hope he goes to the Steelers or the Ravens. I would laugh my ass off.

You need to calm down.

Doesn't matter. Ron Artest got suspended half a season because he charged into the stands. It didn't matter that Ben Wallace started the whole thing. You absolutely can not swing a helmet at another player, especially if he's not wearing one.

Don't forget about Randall. He's getting some time off as well.

Vernon and Eric Murray better get healthy real quick.

Pittsburgh is hurting.
Go back to that scum pit.
Can't wait for the next game.

This is an absolute perfect synopsis. Spot. F'ing. On.

Myles Garrett is an immature loser.

I'm embarrassed to be a Browns fan.

Sad.

You get a signature win and it is spoiled.

There are no excuses. Nothing to say about what took place it is all right there on film.

Rudolph got hit in the face with a helmet?
LMFAO!!

OK.. leave the team, see ya!!..

Been a fan for 50 years,.. not leaving now, not leaving ever!!.. BYE

Shut up troll and get some class.

Finally, we beat the hell out of them and get the W.
Hopefully Myles won't miss any games.

Mason started it.

James Harrison put our guys out all the time, so screw Pittsburgh and their injuries. Enjoy the win. That was good old 70s football

What's better than beating the stealers?
Beating their heads in...with a helmet!!!!!

Pittsburgh lost jew Jew !!!!
Lmfao

Has there ever been a coach less equipped to handle something like this?

Out of Garrett and all the guys beating him down in here, I know who I would want on my six if we ever got in a brawl.

Freddie’s pissed at Garrett.

I'll follow up with post about everything before 8 seconds left tomorrow.

That was really really stupid by Garrett. He was fine until the helmet swing. Just take out that one part and nobody is talking about anything.

That said, I've seen too many browns players get targeted by Steelers to shed a tear. I think/hope Miles will get the same 5 games Haynesworth got. I think Rudolph is safe, but I would hope Pouncey sits. Dude was throwing bombs and then kicked multiple times.

Randall will get suspended as well for the headshot. Honestly, I think the Randall hit was the most egregious.

This isn't on Freddie.

This is on Garrett having roid rage or whatever.

The team played well aside from this.

Rudolph got pushed to the ground after he got his head crushed by his own helmet.

Rodulph could not have been hit if he wasnt running after Myles and throwing a punch after trying to rip Myles helmet off. Rodulph started it and continued it then threw his hands up like he is innocent. I call BS on that

Just unbelievable. I really wonder if Rudolph said something awful to Garrett. Not that it makes it any better.

I can't imagine Garrett being able to come back this year at all. I think the rest of the year is probably what he's getting.

Awful, 2 wins in a row, offense has played better. Team isn't turning the ball over, defense has picked up, and now everything is going to be more difficult now that your best defensive player, and arguably best overall player won't be back until 2020.

Baker Mayfield said all the right things after the game too. Flat out calling out Garrett for setting the team back.

The overall discipline of this team is horrendous and it's the number one knock against Freddie Kitchens in a decent list of knocks.

I'm not talking about the incident itself, I'm talking about the aftermath.

You are unhinged tonight, I think you might be drunk or something.

We win! It was another ugly win with an unfortunate ending. But it's a win and I'll be back next week to watch the Browns.

Myles own teammates are disgusted with him.

5 seconds left in the game and he does that. Stupid Stupid Stupid

Rudolph should be suspended also!

I don't know what was said, or what happened beyond Rudolph grabbing Myles' helmet. I'm just severely disappointed in Myles swinging that helmet. I don't think he's a loser. He may be immature, but he's young. We need him and he hurt the team by not being there because of the pending suspension, and by painting us in this light when we need it the least. That's as far as I'll go beyond saying I'm disgusted and disappointed by his actions.

Moral of the story..dont mess with people..you might get your head ripped off..lmfao

Best browns ending in 30 years.
Bashing a stealers head in!

Garrett is done for the season as he should be. He has every right to defend himself. But not by swinging a helmet at another player's head. That is dangerous by any standard. The NFL needs to send a CLEAR message that that particular conduct will NEVER be tolerated and there will be a SEVERE penalty for doing so. There are a few Steelers who will be sitting down too for sure especially Pouncey for kicking a player in the helmet (that precedent has already been established).

If Rodulph wasnt running after Myles he would not have been able to swing at him. Pouncey should be suspend just as long as Myles

One thing is for sure, Roger Goodell will not botch this is anyway.

Side note:

Why would you attack a guy who is holding your helmet and swing at him?

Hey, at least no bottles were thrown. Well done fans.

The NFL will make an example of Myles...to prevent it from happening again


Just saying...hes done for the year more than likely...

Sad, as he is the only one who continues to push the pocket.

So you’re a white supremacist?

If there was a better time for that to happen, it was then. Might as well go all out on national tv

For what? Grabbing Garrett’s face mask, getting in his face? Big deal.

Had he ripped Mason’s helmet off and walked away, nothing happens. No suspensions, maybe fines.

Total horsebleep. This team continues to be the worst professional sports organization. I’m embarrassed to be a Browns fan. Just horrible.

yeah . Why wasn't Rudolph ejected! I doubt Pouncy even gets suspended

I get that, and I tend to think Rudolph may have said something completely offensive to cause Myles to go at him. But the optics do not work in our favor. We've lost our best pass rusher at a critical point in the season, and I'm disappointed in the action. But as I said, I don't know what was said. If Rudolph said something egregious, I understand Myles' reaction as a man, but I don't like it as a fan, particularly as a Browns fan.

Mason kept coming after him. He is to blame also

Garrett wasn't defending himself. He drove Rudolph into the ground for no reason because he's a petulant child. This is the guy that does something stupid nearly every week. Rudoplh either took exception to it or got his hand caught in his helmet and we were off to the races.

He's a grade A jerk. I'm embarssed to be a Browns fan. His teammates are embarrassed. What does that tell you when his teammates go on national TV and don't defend him and have looks on their faces of embarrassment?

I keep harping on this. We have an organization of people that puts themselves before the Browns. This was a glowing example of that.

Defensive player of the year? Pfffffttt.

You guys are right. Garrett gave us a bad name. After this we will be known as that physical team that kicks your ass then kicks your ass again. Horrible.

I think something must of been said or done to Myles for him to go crazy like that but unfortunately we will probably never know.I mean Myles got punched in the face a couple weeks ago by a fan and didn't retaliate. I truly believe something must have set him off

Not great having Steve Smith, who sucker punched a teammate and broke his nose, and Michael Irvin, stabbed a teammate in the neck with scissors, as the guys commenting on this game.

Rudolph was ripping off Myle's helmet and started the whole fiasco. Both should be suspended.

Can you understand or is that above your IQ grade??

I'm sure offensive [censored] is yelled on the field during every game.

Not saying he's not, and he may be guilty of much worse, but Myles effective swung at his head with a club, a weapon. He was trying to take him out. There's no excuse for that.

Rudolph wasn't even hurt, this won't be a lengthy suspension for Myles.

yeah . Why wasn't Rudolph ejected! I doubt Pouncy even gets suspended you're right.. we should have just set on the bench and let them score. Be good sports. This is the dumbest comment I've read and am literally dumber for reading it!

Old school physical pounding.

Baker Mayfield said “it feels like we lost the game”

Garrett will probably be suspended for the rest of the season.

Just speculation...

Seems Myles was frustrated by not bringing down Rudolph multiple times during the game...

And somehow it all got to his head...

And I cant blame Pouncey really...hes just defending his QB...the same I would expect our lineman to do if roles were flipped.

Just going to suck losing our best dlineman... specially when we are trying to turn the corner on this rough season.

I agree with Baker.

Horrible feeling and I think it is a referendum on Kitchen's lack of discipline.

Unforgivable.

I think it will be.

It's probably a good thing that Garrett won't be playing in Pittsburgh in two weeks.

Nice to chalk up another win. Unfortunate ending. It was ugly but it doesn't really look like anyone got injured from the fight so ... it is what it is. I don't really want to think about it for the next 3 months. There are guys who have done a lot of bad things OFF the field who are in the NFL. I don't really think poorly of Myles for this. Yeah, dumb, but I don't really feel any differently about him. He needs to get himself under control. But he didn't shoot someone on the streets or something... Expect we are without Myles for a few weeks and hopefully he comes back with a little more discipline. Makes it harder to win but look... we are 4-6 and the chance of winning out and going 10-6, while possible, is and has been low. So I don't think we were going to the playoffs one way or another. Maybe this can kick the team into gear regarding discipline... It seems like we are playing better football and that is important.

He gone

Also doesnt wilks call the D plays? So how is that on Freddie for calling the late blitz?

Myles Garrett: “I made a mistake. I lost my cool and I regret it.” Declined to say what set him off.

Garrett said he doesn’t know what kind of punishment is coming his way. Said he’ll address the team tomorrow.

Now if Chad Thomas did this...I wonder how we would feel? Btw Thomas actually flashed several times tonight...he played better than expected imo

I agree. Dumb comment about blitzing at the end.

What Myles did was inexcusable. It ruined the win for me no doubt. In my over 50 years of watching football the only thing I remember close to this was when Lyle Alzado ripped the helmet off of a Jets OT and threw it at him. I believe it happened in the early to mid eighties when he was playing for Oakland.

I was thinking that too.
This is rock bottom of discipline.
Maybe that's what this team needs to wake up.

But man oh man do I hope he will, as unlikely as that may be. That game n Pittsburgh is gonna be CRAZY

And he's about to get the opportunity of a lifetime.

Go root for Buffalo.

It's hard enough rooting for a team the employees a woman beater, and now we have dumb players swinging helmets at people without a helmet on.

This is one of the main points. After kicking their ass all game long, they walk off the field with a moral victory. Did anyone see Rudolph smiling at the end? What the "f" did he have to smile about unless it was "mission accomplished". Now we go into their house in two weeks without our best pass rusher and maybe without our best tackle. We'll be booed constantly, and the national media will have a field day with this. To those who think this is "turn about is fair play" aren't considering the politically correct, protect the player landscape we live in now. This was definitely a victory for the Steelers, even though they started it.

No. I didn't.
I hope that video comes out eventually if true.

We're really going to miss Avery now.

What a crapshow end to the game. Completely uncalled for.. I've never ever left a win feeling so crappy about it.

Now that's funny !

Baker and OBJ going to need to get on the same page. Need to outscore teams the rest of the way.

If Rudolph got seriously injured, Garret may have ended up in jail.

We're about to see a huge uptick in our blitz percentage.

OBJ was correct in the postgame.... he knows Browns should have scored 40 points.. happy for the win but a whole lot to work on.

He was ATTEMPTING to pull his helmet off, so what?! That might be enough to get after a guy and want to rip his helmet off too, but at that point, had it ended there, all it would have been were personal fouls and maybe a fine. But Mason didn’t instigate an assault with a weapon.

Who the hell cares if Mason gets one game? So what! Garrett is public enemy #1, he’s gone for the year, the season is trash, we were known as Clowns before this game and this cemented that for years+. It’s indefensible. NOTHING Mason did or started matters now.

This is the equivalent of “Mallace at the Pallace”. Total black eye for the league and to this team and city.

Who gives a rats ass about what Mason “started”? Stuff like that gets started every week and every other NFL player holds it together enough to not attempt to literally kill a player.

You’re a trash poster. I’ve had you on ignore for years. Proof positive.

You just cannot allow yourself to lose your cool like that. 8 freaking seconds left. We are the dumbest team on the field even in a big win.

Really what Myles did was inexcusable but if was on the Steelers they wouldn't be crucifying them like this ...

To be fair, Pittsburgh is no slouch on Defense. However, we had something like 3 turnovers returned to midfield or beyond where we ended up getting no points on offense. That just can't happen.

A couple thoughts: Maybe these two can actually put some work in during the off season together. Also, what the hell are they working on now? It's been TEN games. What do they do all week? SMH

Fair question

In a society where UFC is a thing, I feel you might be overreacting.

Mission Accomplished!

Back to the game ..... We played the game to shorten the game, and not allow a turnover to let the Steelers back in it. Yes, we "should have" scored more ..... but we ran the ball a lot .... to not allow the Steelers to get back in the game ..... and that part worked.

Good point, I wish we held onto him

Sorry, but nothing you can pontificate is going to stop the bleeding of the end game fiasco.

We have probably lost some of our most important players on D for multiple games and injury.

Sad to say, even with a win, our season is lost.

Whatever your feelings on this, the narrative has been changed from "Browns beat the Steelers" to "Myles Garret hits Mason Rudolph in the head with a helmet". That blows.

I think Myles is done for the year. Rudolph will get a game or two, and Pouncey should get 3-4 games.

No, he shouldn't. Rudolph started a scrum, which happens all the time, Garrett was in the scrum and did the equivalent of pulling a weapon and totally escalated it.

A lot of wrong and bad things happened during that series of events by a lot of people but the only one that will have long term lasting impacts is the image of Garrett swinging that helmet at the head of a man with no helmet on.

May lose Obi too for a game or two.

J/C

Antonio Brown karate kicked Spencer Lanning in the face. He could have killed him. Literally.

He got 15 yards and an $8200 fine.

What Myles did was dumb, but about time we are the ones dealing out the ass whooping instead of the other way around.

James Harrison? Ray Lewis? Give me a break.

The NFL (much like our society these days) is full of weak individuals. Put a skirt on em and hang some flags from their hips. The National Flag League is basically unwatchable anymore.

I was kinda ticked off that Rudolph was smirking at his presser, claiming innocence, when he really was the initial instigator.

It's been said after BILLIONS of penalties for years. You just can't retaliate. Do people defending Garrett think he would have been killed by Steelers players if he had thrown his hands up and just walked away after that sack?

He could have taken the high road and the only story would be our signature win. Now the shaky season is all but ruined. I still can't believe this.

Pretty much agree on this, but I’ll bet Rudolph gets nothing. I expect multiple 6 figure fines too, and several smaller ones.

The only people who probably thoroughly enjoyed all aspects of this game are the Ravens...

JC

I hope Myles was mic’d up. It’d be interesting to hear some stuff Rudolph was spouting at him that triggered him so much.

I don’t agree that Myles is a dirty or undisciplined player. Aggressive, yeah. But he’s not hot headed. Something set him off.

EDIT: Not that it excuses him at all. What he did was stupid as hell.

There is something wrong with you

doesnt anyone remember big ben trying to break leg of browns ogb and no flag or fine?

he tried to pull helmit off Miles...

He has been a hot head.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/player/m-garrett-cleveland-browns?year=2019

I remember a lot of things..

I remember AB spike kicking our punter in the face...

James Harrison almost killing Colt McCoy...

and I could probably come up with a few others if I thought for a while.... but none of it changes what Miles Garrett did and the fact that he is going to pay a steep price for it in cash, lost games... and what was a reputation as a pretty good guy.

Remember the open-handed slap on the Titans player earlier this year? Someone brought that up on Twitter, and now I'm more worried about a lengthy suspension.

So up until this week he had 1 unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and 2 roughing the passer penalties and that makes him a hot head ? I would think if he was such a hot head the fan who punched him in the face a couple weeks ago would be missing teeth but that's just my opinion

He might be gone longer than 6 games. He might get 10 or 16 games off. I wouldn't be surprised if he was gone this and next year too.

He'll probably get just 6 games, and that stinks, but if that was Watt on Mayfield, we'd all be freaking out for 6-16 games.

One step forward, two steps back. Typical Browns.

Lol ok. Roughing the passer calls are certainly not equivalent to ‘hot head’. Shall we watch some replays of them all to see how aggressive and unnecessary they all were?

And both of his roughing calls were marginal... maybe penalties but no where near dirty...

I'd rather be Rudolph..I got my head bashed in..then pushed to the ground..

Half of his penalties this year were for beating up on the QB.
And if you notice, 2 of them were on 3rd down and cost us.

This incident tonight, he didnt have to smash Mason to the ground late. The game was basically over. He over reacted on the play, and after the play.

this part I will disagree with.. first, he didn't smash him as much as he dragged him to the ground.. and he had him low and probably had no idea he had gotten rid of the ball. I don't blame him at all for finishing the play.

I still say Garrett should have walked away but there are still-pics all over social media showing Rudolph blatantly kicking him in the jewels while still on his back. Seems pretty "bush league" as well, Mason.

It doesn't matter what down it is or how long is left in the game. It's his job to beat up the opposing qb and take him to the ground

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he gets 16 games or an indefinite suspension. But the lawyers then get involved and pull out the CBA and determine what the punishment will end up being.

How long have we wanted our team to beat up the steelers?
I totally back Myles on this.
Society is becoming very soft.

I feel those Steelers need suspensions as well.

Myles wasn't trying to hit him with that helmet, he was trying to put it back on.

We did beat them up. All night long up and down the field.
We destroyed them.

It wasnt really necessary to try to kill them.

Stop.

Just stop.

He took zero ownership for it in his press conference as well. At least Garrett too responsibility.

Just imagine how different the media narrative would be if Baker Mayfield had instigated a fight the way Rudolph did.

Now THIS is funny.

I will say Rudolph is one tough cookie to get hit in the head with a helmet like that and then get pushed down by Obi and still keep jawing like he wanted more. Did anyone else see him call Obi a female dog after Obi shoved him to the ground

Minimum 2 game suspension, emblematic of Freddie’s lack of control

Inexcusable

I don't see the smashing him into the ground part. I see him making sure he doesn't get the stupid body weight on the QB penalty while keeping him wrapped up trying to make a sack.

If they don't want him to get tackled, they either shouldn't have him drop back for a pass or they should put in his backup. We've inexplicably lost games at the last second too many times to count. Play til the whistle until the final one.

Did he overreact? Yes. What's the proper reaction to a man charging at you with rage in his face? For many people, I imagine the gut instinct is grabbing the nearest weapon and bashing him over the head.

Rudolph presser was just disgusting.

He smirked and smack talked the whole time.

My view is changed.

Next time, take his head off. Only, send a scrub to do it.

Scrubs are all that's left.

Well said.

The short slow-mo clip everyone is showing makes Garrett look like a monster.

The extended clip shows he was being attacked by TWO guys and defended himself NOT using maximum force and was then gang attacked as Refs watched on.

I remember Harrison's hit on Mo Massaquio and Harrison literally knocking out Josh Cribbs with a brutal helmet to helmet hit

I wonder if anything has to do with Myles Garrett's sexuality? Could have been what has had ignited him...Could Mason have said something? Now I dont know nor do I care about that part of Myles...but it could be a reason why everyone is refusing to comment on what was exchanged between the two of them.

Idk but I sure hope his ban is short...as we need him back.

I hope he isn't banned at all.

Rudolph should be suspended for the season.

Had to go to work at halftime so I didn't get to see this until just now. I'm fine with what Myles did. It sucks he's going to get suspended for it, but I'm fine with it.

Someone needs to ask the coaches what the rationale was for trying to rack up sacks with seconds left in the game. That probably played a huge part in this.

This!!!

Lol I love a good old slobber knocker. Garrett’s the man. Screw the Steelers and their poor little cry baby backup QB.

The message....we’re here to smack you in the face every single play. Get use to it Steelers.

Those of us of an age have seen Squealers play the Thug for decades.
Their team culture seemed to be based on pushing buttons and dirty hits.
Mic'd up I'd bet half the language here would be bleeped.

No doubt MG went too far and this can't be allowed to happen... but it didn't happen in a vacuum.

Team needs to address this MG deal w/ an immediately in house suspension.

NFL will probably hit him w/ a season ending suspension anyway.

Time to get ready for the Dullphins!
Bets on whether we get National Coverage?

The Steelers would have done it. This part is a non issue.

This is a terrible take. He swung a helmet as hard as he could at another player. A massively ripped human being with that size and speed could have done some serious damage.

Myles Garrett doesn't back Myles Garrett this morning. And neither should you.

The beat way to screw the stilers would be to have MG reaking havoc on them in two weeks like he did last night .... but because he lost his cool that ain’t gonna happen ...

He HURT this team BIG TIME and menZas like u are happy about it .... the bouncing ball menZas the bouncing ball ....

J/c

It really is mind numbing to think that MG could be that dumb with 8 seconds left after a huge win. The lack of discipline by FK’s teams is appalling, and this is a culmination of the trend.

In terms of suspensions ...

Garrett - final 6 games
Ogunjobi - 1-2 games
Randall - 1-2 games

I'm not comfortable putting this on Kitchens.

Randall should not be suspended, just fined.

Also read that the Browns believe Garrett is gone for the season at a minimum. They also want the league to take a look at Rudolphs actions leading up to it, including two kicks to Myles groin.

I noticed the groin kicks as well

In terms of FK, I”m not putting this action on him.. but I am putting the undisciplined culture on him. It’s like a domino effect. A lot of times you get what you tolerate ... and going back to the Indy scrimmage, he’s wanted his team on edge. Tennessee took advantage of that ... and it’s cost us again

If Myles had been trying to hurt him, Rudolph wouldn't have bounced back up. I think he started to "protect himself." Sometimes dropping the other guy is the "evolutionarily" instilled first response.

I wonder how much Myles getting sucker punched played into his subconscious decision to defend himself in that moment. Myles was willingly backing away when Rudolph charged back in with a crazy look on his face. He was being held by a Pittsburgh OL, so flight wasn't a realistic option.

Was it wrong, and did it look horrifying? Yes. What are you supposed to do when being held from behind and a crazy white dude charges you and no officials are doing anything to try to hold the white dude back? It seemed like they were going to let Rudolph do absolutely anything. On the replays I don't hear whistles being blown. The Nike logo on the lineman's leg behind Rudolph resembles a shiv in his hand until you take the time to process what it is. Myles didn't have a still photo. He had a guy trying to rip his helmet off, then kicking him in the junk, then charging him with his hand held awkwardly like he was holding something in a matter of seconds.

Rudolph wasn't a helmeted football player in that moment. He was a crazy white dude with a snarling rictus on his face and allegedly some racist tendencies running at a man who if both were unarmed wouldn't stand a chance. Why? From Myles' perspective it can't make much sense.

Does Rudolph resemble the guy that sucker punched him? Do "crazy white people" get stereotyped?

Officials got caught spectating instead of calming things down. They deserve a big helping of blame, too.

Myles should get punished, but he's not alone. However, the helmet swing appears to be more of a reaction than a deliberately chosen action which I think is a mitigating (not excusing) factor. He didn't go after him with the helmet. Rudolph charged into his "personal space" in a threatening manner.

Myles is human and not invincible. While it's easy to say Rudolph had no chance against Myles, Rudolph is a professional athlete and there are always vulnerable spots on the human body. The top of the skull actually really isn't one of them. Myles has been chopped in the throat enough this season to be well aware that it is one. One kick in the balls is enough to make you want to avoid another. Once a man does that once, personally I try not to give him another chance.

Rudolph 1-2 games.

J/C

on the ground, Mason R. grabs myles helmet and tries to take it off.

AS Myles is getting up, Mason Kicks him with a cleat in the manhood and allegedly calls him a racial slur.

Myles grabs his facemask and takes it off, Mason charges and grabs his junk.

Mason Rudolph is know for being linked to alt right groups on twitter, and friends with Tomi Lauren.

Should have hit him twice.

Pouncy also 1-2 games;

I read something about an hour ago that Mike Perialta thought it would be 4 games.

After going through some post on fb this morning and twitter, i see now that Rudolph tried to pull Myles helmet off and then proceeded to go after the man parts once for sure and possibly twice. Myles should have put down the helmet and not swung it and then smacked the crap out of him

This is correct. Maybe I got it wrong, but did Larry get ejected but not Pouncey?

What Garrett did with the helmet was inexcusable. And the fines and suspension will be earned. That was a Burfict/James Harrison type thing. Worse than the Gronk elbow drop.

But what it comes down to is Rudolph. He had a terrible game. Under pressure pretty much the whole game. Knockdowns. Four picks. He was a steaming pile of crap. With eight seconds left in the game, he gets taken down again (cleanly) and can't control his frustration. Looked like he got Garrett's facemask and twisted. Would not be surprised if something was said because Garrett went from 0 to Burfict in a second or two.

And, it escalated. Garrett took it too far and it turned into a melee. If Rudolph could have just taken that one last tackle like a man, you know, contact sport, then all of the chaos and mayhem and fines and suspensions would have been avoided. Not saying he deserved to be clobbered with his own helmet (he did not), but all he needed to do was keep his panties unknotted for another 8 seconds. The game was lost by then.

I think the NFL won’t suspend anybody but Myles and Larry O ... MAYBE they give Pouncey a game, but Myle’s act was so egregious that it will be the booming suspension

Good grief! Playing the race card again.

Not that I even disagree with what you said, but there was no need to add the prefix of "White" to crazy. Just plain crazy would have sufficed.

Mason Rudolph is a loser.

He has a Charlie Brown, aww schucks, quality about him that just oozes from his pudgy face. The guy seriously looks and plays like a loser.

Whatever he did to Garrett doesn't matter, however. The only team that is going to truly be penalized is the Browns.

The Steelers were never going anywhere with Mason Rudolph. The Browns now have a legit chance to run the table and get in the playoffs. I thought The toughest game left would be against the Steelers but not after last night. Now Myles has put that in jeopardy.

Instead of talking about our 1st win vs. the Steelers in 5 years, a game where we should all be happy, we are talking about a needless brawl at the end of an already decided game. That's what all the national media and talk shows will be discussing too. A win that feels like a loss. Only our Browns. It makes me sick!!!

SCREW MASON RUDOLPH

SCREW POUNCEY

SCREW THE STEELERS

LETS GO MYLES GO BROWNS!!! THE RIVALRY IS BACK ON!!!

I am glad that the groin kicks were finally brought up. I agree that Mason should be fined and maybe suspended for his part. I mean he full on instigated the entire incident and continued to fight and take swings until the helmet swing. But he is a Quarterback and he plays for the Steelers so that is not going to happen.

This in no way excuses Myles. Put yourself in his position though. His helmet is being ripped off, the same guy is trying to kick him in the groin. And all of a sudden it is 3 against one. What are you doing in this situation. If you are being honest, you would retaliate as well. I don't blame Myles for retaliation. Or rather, I can understand his action to retaliate. His method of retaliation, obviously, is disturbing.

Understanding does not condone his actions. But understanding by the NFL might help prevent these issues from happening again. The NFL had a part they played in creating this incident. While the lion's share is on Garrett and also on Rudolph, the refs were extremely slow in their intervention, and the abuse they allowed to happen with non calls throughout the game added to the pressure cooker.

Freddie says that it does not matter what happened before. And when applying punishment to Garrett's actions. He is right. But, the problem is deeper than Garrett's actions and the same unwavering eye needs to be applied to Rudolph and Pouncey. Ogunjobi as well.

Some mentioned DeCastro. But he was only trying to control the situation. He wasn't trying to fight, but rather stop a fight. I don't foresee nor wish any penalty against him.

I think a penalty over 4 games would be an overreaction and a travesty. Rudolph was not defenseless, nor was he trying to avoid an incident. In fact he was swinging at Garrett, before and during the helmet swing. Haynesworth got 4 games for stomping on the head of Gurode while he was defenseless and pinned to the ground. No instigation for that act. But this is not the same world as then. Today we are full of hypersensitive, overreacting, emotionally immature people. They will demand far more...and I fear they will get it.

I never wish for this kind of incident. But since it did happen and you can't put the genie back in the bottle...If I am honest with myself...a part of me is actually glad this happened. Since the Browns came back, their incompetence has made this rivalry....stale at best. It was not a rivalry. And frankly it needed some bad blood. Things are going to be far more interesting from now on.......If I am honest with myself.

This is extremely uncharacteristic of Garrett. And when things are extremely uncharacteristic of the norm, I think it important to look at why this happened. It may help prevent overreaction as well as hep to prevent this happening again.

Simple, for his entire life up until last night, he's been a good guy on and off the field...no Drugs or booze, no 50 kids running around etc.

So do we judge him for ever based on his worst act?

I'm not trying to excuse his actions, they were bad,, very dumb.

He is a great guy off camera. Always doing things in the community.
There was a story about him in October where a guy pulled up next to him at a stop light, got Garrett to roll his window down, and then punched Garrett in the face. Garrett did nothing back.

I hadn't really been thinking about it that way, but since you brought it up.

It shouldn't matter, but it looks like it did.

If it'd been Cam Newton, he'd have been restrained as soon as they were initially separated.

A 6'5", 235 pound (per ESPN) white QB gets protected like he's a 3 year old girl and his tantrum is similarly excused.

If it had been the 6'5", 245 pound Newton, the narrative would have been, yeah, Myles had to protect himself. He went too far, but it's understandable.

Racial tension and different levels of accountability is an unpleasant reality in our society.

Incognito was still in the league after threatening to decapitate a corpse amongst additional on field infractions.

Burfict is gone for a bang-bang football play.

Grown men don't charge each other unless they are looking for trouble. Rudolph found it when he went looking.

Lots and lots of hand-wringing, pearl-clutching (hat-tip to Jeepnstein), and non-stop virtue signaling by the network talking heads coming, starting last night with Joe Buck and Troy Aikman. I don't support Garrett's behavior last night, but I also believe he thought he was defending himself while being attacked by DeCastro AND Rudolph, not to mention later being assaulted himself by Pouncy.

I'm also old enough to remember Jack Lambert's constantly head-hunting Brian Sipe, Joe Green repeatedly kicking Browns' OL Bob McKay in the stomach and groin, James Harrison knocking out THREE Browns' players (Massaquoi, Cribbs, McCoy) over the space of a couple games in 2010 and 2011 with deliberate and vicious helmet hits, and then there's Antonio Brown kick-stomping Spencer Lanning. So while I think Garrett deserves a multiple game suspension, I'm having a hard time feeling any sense of outrage at what he did. What a surprise, emotions ran amok in a game that must be played with emotion.

I'll just say this about the incident:

Myles was wrong, never should have swung the helmet, period. Everything up to that point, fine.

That said, it's about time someone stood up to the Steelers crap. For too long they cheap-shotted our players into oblivion (think about Hines Ward and James Harrison, 2 of the dirtiest players EVER in the league).

Mason comes across as someone with poor social skills, and really immature. I'm just going to guess that he is an only child or oldest child, and probably home-schooled. You'd have thought he would have stopped after Myles ripped his helmet off, but the idiot kept coming after Myles...don't need to say why that was a dumb idea. Guy never got his butt whooped enough growing up.

Pouncey has always been trash too, just like his brother.

I just think it's funny all these old former Steelers players (and some current Steelers like Pouncey and Tomlin) talking about player safety...haha! Where were you when James Harrison was intentionally hurting people and ending their careers? Give me a break. Shut it! I'm just glad we whipped their butts!

If this is true, and I'm not saying it's not, Myles should have flung Rudoph's helmet into the stands and sacked him ten times in two weeks, whispering in his ear each time. But now he can't do that because why? HE WON'T BE ON THE FIELD. This battle goes to the Steelers. And, I think (and it's JMHO) Tomlin played a part in all of it. He was huddled with his coached and players a couple of times and I'm sure it wasn't a "We'll get em next time" speech. I certainly wouldn't put it past him to tell his players to push buttons any way they can. Again, JMHO

Why the hell didnt Pouncey get ejected?

Pouncey was ejected.

an ESPN reporter on the sideline tweeted something was said by mason, and it was deleted shortly after. Other people said there is angle tht you can seed Mason mouthing the word, I didn't see it - buts alleged the NFL already deleted the angle.

Mason Rudolph follows and knows and follows alt right people on twitter.

I def don't put it past him.

But watch the tape, Myles goes 0-100 in seconds. He was kicked in the groin, had his helmet ripped at, Mason Grabbed his groin as he ran at him snarling while myles was being held by two steelers.

Context is everything.

tru, why does he blame Freddie for the blitz?? You have to understand that there are folks on here who blame Freddie if their picnic is rained out.

Yeah, something definitely triggered him. It wasn't simple retaliation for pulling on his face mask. Whatever it was needs to come out during the league investigation. If Rudolph said what I think he said, that's equally as egregious as the blow to the head and should be dealt with accordingly. But because it's the Steelers, it'll likely never see the light of day.

100% this. I wish it weren't true and I hate to say it but we don't have the right man leading this team.

I don't think we will/would make the playoffs anyway, so probably saving him for the rest of the season is not that bad.

I like to see some nerve from our players, providing it does not become a habit and that they are not dirty players.

Mason was the one who started it by trying to remove Myles helmet, so I'm ok with his reaction.

You guys are on crack. There is no part of what Myles did that is indicative of Freddie at all. Good grief!

ALL of it falls on one person: MYLES. Period.

It falls on no one. Its a game and Myles is a great player with great character.


Mason is a dirty player.

MG should face a suspension. Randal should be suspended for trying to rip MG's helmet off of his head. Maurkice Pouncey should be suspended for punching Larry Ogunjobi AND THEN kicking him in the head while he was down.

I have no doubt that the NFL will be reviewing the fight footage over and over and although MG's helmet blow was inexcusable and he needs to be punished for it, there is plenty of fault that lies with other players, too.

With the severity of that fight a lot of suspensions and some heavy fines should be coming.

I agree and disagree. It falls on Myles and Mason. As Mason was instigating it. Dude was allegedly called a racist slur, kicked in the groin, and was 3-1. Context.

To somehow hang this on Freddie is absurd.

This is on Garrett and no other. A NFL helmet swung at a unprotected person by Myles Garrett is a deadly weapon.

If he would have connected cleanly the result could have been catastrophic.

Splitting hairs; Myles is responsible for what Myles did.

Yes, Mason instigated, but Myles didn't have to take the bait. He chose that.

Myles is a dirty player. He defined that moniker for himself last night. Regardless of what he does moving forward, his action last night will follow him throughout his career. You don't attack someone not wearing a helmet, with a helmet and swing at his head. He has only himself to blame.

Agreed. But it takes two to tango.

Lets be honest, Myles is a pretty laid back dude. For him to 0-100, something was said/done.

Myles never should have used a helmet, and for that - his season is done.

But lets see the timetable of events IIRC:

* Myles takes down Mason
*Mason grabs Myles mask
*Myles reacts by grabbing Mason mask and pulling him up
*Mason kicks myles in groin
*Myles lets go, and is getting dragged away by 2 stoolers
*Mason is going at Myles and Myles takes his helmet
*Mason, snarling - after kicking Myles already - is running at Myles who is being held by 2 stoolers.
*Myles reacts by swinging the helmet.
*Pouncy attacks Myles

At what point is a studded cleat not being used as a weapon as some have said the helmet was? he could have cause testicular trauma to Myles.

Its DEF NOT ON FREDDIE.

the cold hard reality is... Rudolph was not injured.

He was not bleeding.

he looked more shocked than anything.

j/c

Who started the fight? Who did things that aren't a part of football? Who kept charging after the retreating person? Clearly Myles was retreating and Rudolph came after him.

At least the guy in the video above had the guts to say what really happened rather than finding a way to blame the retreating guy.

Rudolph started it...escalated it...and restarted it.

And he should probably get a suspension as well. That still doesn't excuse Garrett for attacking a guy with what is essentially a weapon.

Ron Artest didn't start and barely participated in the fight that lead to the Malice in the Palace. But he still did the one thing you just can't do, by going into the stands, and he had the hammer come down on him in terms of suspensions, as a result.

You just can't excuse that away. Had he knocked Ruldolph out, we could be looking at a Todd Bertuzzi/Marty McSorely situation.

MYLES GARRETT
DL, CLEVELAND BROWNS

Mason Rudolph's representation could consider legal action against Myles Garrett following Thursday night's on-field incident.

"There are many risks an NFL QB assumes with every snap taken on the field," Rudolph's agent, Tim Younger, tweeted in the aftermath of Garrett's attack. "Being hit on your uncovered head by a helmet being swung by a 275 lb DE is not one of them." He added that the matter will be reviewed "thoroughly." Rudolph miraculously wasn't hurt in the incident, but Garrett will still be subject to a lengthy suspension and perhaps even assault charges. In using his helmet as a weapon, Garrett showed not only an egregious lapse in judgment but also little regard for another player's safety. Thursday's chaotic ending in Cleveland was an embarrassment for all involved.

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SOURCE: NFL.com
Nov 15, 2019, 9:56 AM ET

5 Thoughts on Myles Garrett and Mason Rudolph

Pete Smith
Nov 15, 2019

The morning after one of the uglier on field moments that has taken place in the NFL in years, I'm still in utter disbelief it happened. Only seconds left in the game, the Cleveland Browns go from a dominant, albeit clunky victory to having their entire season thrown into a state of utter chaos. Whatever ultimately comes from this, it's just the latest chapter in a book of franchise low lights that will haunt the team and fanbase for years.

My thoughts on this are a bit scattered on this, so I figured I'd just put them all out there as opposed to just trying to focus on one of them.

1. If Myles Garrett is suspended for the rest of the season, which has six games remaining, I'm not going to argue. It simply can't happen, regardless of what the other person does to escalate it.

He might as well have swung his helmet at his own teammates, because as much as he hurt himself, they are going to face the consequences almost as much as he is. Their season feels over, despite two wins in a row. Not having Garrett, a superstar defensive end, makes it virtually impossible for them to win five of their last six games.

2. Mason Rudoloh's actions don't excuse Garrett's, but they should be judged harshly. Trying to grab Garrett's head, then kicking him in the groin, then chasing after him, Rudolph started the situation and escalated it. My fear is that Rudolph will only be fined when he should be suspended for a game or two.

3. Trying to reconcile the Myles Garrett that took a punch in his car after taking a photo with someone and did nothing, the same person who been somewhat of a folk hero in the community with the one that swung his helmet at Rudolph is difficult.

Everything about this is awful. I feel awful for Garrett, because I adore him. These actions will change how many perceive him, perhaps even some of his teammates. Despite this incident, as awful as it is, I still view him as an extremely intelligent, thoughtful man who has shown remarkable kindness to strangers on any number of occasions. He also swung a helmet at Mason Rudolph. He will always be remembered as the player who did this, as he should, but the other stuff doesn't go away either. This shouldn't have happened and it certainly cannot happen again, but if this is the worst thing Garrett ever does, I can get past it. While Garrett's actions were monstrous, he isn't a monster.

Any notion that the Browns should get rid of Garrett is absurd. The Browns have signed players that have committed violence against women on their roster. As awful as what Garrett did is, there has to be some perspective on what is truly worse. If the argument is that Garrett has to go, other players would warrant leaving with him.

4. There are plenty of people who want to see Garrett suspended for the rest of the season, perhaps even longer. Some of the outrage on this incident is remarkable given the fact it's such a unique situation. This rarely happens. Meanwhile, there's far less outrage when it comes to players being in the league, getting lucrative contracts despite committing violence against women.

And while this is an isolated incident, violence against women is an epidemic. Numerous players across the league are making millions of dollars playing every week while victims are subjected to reliving nightmares in their lives as stadiums full of people are cheering.

Reacting in the moment is part of it. Video always plays a role in how people react, often more viscerally than if they just read about it. This happened in public for everyone to see and it's an embarrassment to the league. The track record of the NFL and its teams are worse. It has required video on multiple occasions for the league to act in anything resembling a responsible matter.

Even on the Cleveland Browns, Kareem Hunt had an extremely public incident where he was seen kicking a women in a hotel on video. Investigated along with a few other incidents, Hunt served an eight game suspension, the longest of its kind. That is what it took to get that length of punishment.

Garrett could get six games. His actions could warrant six games. What he did was simply horrifying. The outrage is justified. I just wish the NFL's unending issue with violence against women was met with the same vigor. It's taken as so commonplace, that it can be minimized and occasionally ignored rather than the horror that it is every time it happens. The sheer amount of it should make the issue that much bigger.

5. Where this leaves the franchise and its fanbase is the next shoe to drop. Whatever happens with Garrett, it's not likely to end there. I don't know how far this goes. It's difficult to imagine the team can simply view this as an isolated incident and not act further. It demands that the process from front office down to the coaching staff be reviewed as they search for answers on how this could happen.

At some point, they will have to come out and speak to the issue and have an answer as to how they prevent this from ever happening again. Garrett should continue to be a member of the Cleveland Browns, but this isn't the first time the team has been questioned in terms of their actions on the field or their motives.

Dating back to the joint practices with the Indianapolis Colts during training camp, questions were raised at the notion that head coach Freddie Kitchens was perceived to be encouraging the actions in an effort to stand up for themselves after brawls cut practices short. Critics at the time argued he was encouraging his team to fight. The team has had a high number of unsportsmanlike conduct penalties this year, which will be attributed to a lack of discipline.

Ultimately, players are responsible for their own actions as Garrett is here. He deserves the punishment he's going to receive for it, but the questions are going to come at the organization. They will need answers.

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The NFL will not want this to continue on that long especially since they dind't put Rudolph in the concussion protocol after the hit to the head.

I bet Garrett gets 4 games.

Plus Rudolph can't say he isn't fine when he already said he was "good to go".

He would have to go into the concussion protocol. Which, quite frankly, is a blessing for Garrett.

The other thing going for him is that there was no blood.

I thought of that helmet hit by the Texans guy too ... honestly, I’m expecting 6 games and a fine

See bold above.

Garret did not "attack" Rudolph. Not even close to an "attack". Rudolph was charging at Garrett.

That doesn't justify the helmet swing...but that swing was far, far, far from an attack. More like self-defense. Garrett was retreating and Rudolph was charging.

Bull, what the hell does his race have to do with anything???

The point is intent not the result.

You fire a gun at someone and miss. Your intent was to kill.

I doubt that Myles would have swung the helmet if he was facing Rudolph straight on with no one in between.

I like Myles. Way out of character.

But you can not reach that stage of rage.

When fights start and people lose control very bad things can happen.

Well it has been mentioned Mason called Myles a derogatory term.
Not sure if this is true, but if it is I would think the NFL takes that into consideration.

If you are serious? I like how the tide is turning on this, at least for a few.

I watched the fight a few times. Rudolph started it and then Garrett went crazy. I know a lot of people feel it's a real bad look for Garrett and possibly our team, but personally I loved watching the fight. On the other hand Garrett probably won't be playing again for awhile and because of this it sucks it even happened.

The rivalry is back on, full force.

One angle that upset me was all pregame Fox was playing up the rivalry, showing the Turkey Jones slam of Bradshaw, celebrating James Harrison slamming a fan (but not spearing Colt McCoy and Cribbs in the earhole). Strahan is there, a guy who once wrote about the thrill he got from feeling the QB's body buckle underneath him and the sticky blood on his jersey...ok, fine. But then Joe Buck and Aikman are calling Garrett "barbaric" and speaking in apocalyptic hyperbole about this fight. Swinging the helmet was bad, but there is context there that is being overlooked.

Garrett suspended indefinitely. Pouncey got 3 games. Larry O got 1 game. Both teams got fined $250K. League makes example of Garrett. As they should have.

Haslams issue apology to Rudolph and the Steeler organization. They will accept the punishment that the league issues. Yeah, it WAS that bad. SMH

well.....atleast randall isnt suspended.

lol whatever happens, playoffs or not, atleast this is the most entertaining browns season in a long long time.

So Mason gets nothing for trying to rip off a helmet kicking in the groin and being the aggressor. Total BS

Except the NFL says more punishment forthcoming ...

Is it me, or did 4 people throw kicks, helmets, or fist, and only 3 got suspended? Am I the only one that notices what those three have in common that differs from the 4th...…,

I'm baffled that Rudolph gets off scott free here?

More action is coming from the league per their news release. This is just the beginning.

So quarterbacks are allowed to kick other players in the groin?

J/c

Hoping the new punishment says:

Mason Rudolph will be punished by having to play QB the remainder of the season

Espn announcer just said Mason did nothing wrong thats not being debated.
REALLY?

Big team win. Hopefully the offense starts to take control.

We will need that. Losing Myles is a huge team lose.

The whole fight is sad. Football is a game.

You play to win. All parties are in the wrong.

The season now could become "what if".

I want to win games. Have a winning season. Enjoy football.

Disappointed by all this.

In your sig, you call Freddie a hillbilly, he's no hillbilly, he's a hick. I'm a hillbilly and your sig is offensive.

Baker is going to rally thr troops.

Browns sneak into the playoffs and lose the first game because of no pass rush.

j/c

I know that this will be an unpopular opinion, but it's where I honestly am on this subject. I'll wear my asbestos suit and happily take all the flames.

After 20 years of watching PIT bully CLE like we were punks, I was pleased to see some spunk from someone wearing orange and brown.

I hope it lit a fire under the asses of every Browns player, so they really bring the pain 2 weeks from now. I'd like to see the same level of beat-down at Heinz with Rudolph on his back after every pass play.

I hope this incident with Myles sends the clear message: "We won't back down from anyone, and we're nobody's patsy."

Sad to see Myles out for the season, for sure. Just sentence for the helmet swing. That said, I want that chip on every Browns player's shoulders going forward.

This is where I'm at. Thank you for adding the necessary eloquence to my thoughts, Clem.

I'm bummed Myles is getting (essentially) a season-ending break. I do hope they appeal, but I accept it. While, if I had to choose, I'm more in Myles's corner than not, what he did isn't acceptable. I get the NFL making an example of him. I'm also pleasantly surprised they got Pouncey. I would've thought they would let his punching and stomping slide as well.

I would hope Rudolph doesn't avoid the banhammer much longer.

I would be shocked if Rudolph gets anything.

I am a northern city kid. Could you educate me by explaining what a hillbilly is, and a hick? I never thought the terms were interchangeable, but I am curious what they actually describe.

I don't want Rudolph banned. I want us to face him again in 2 weeks, because he really blows as a QB.

What you and Clem are professing to love only works if the Browns beat them again in a couple weeks. This has to galvanize the team, not fracture it. It's the only way there is even a remote payoff.

I mostly agree with you. But aside from the next game I'm glad that we aren't just rolling over against our division rivals. Don't get me wrong, the is an infinite list of actions that are better than smacking someone in the head with a helmet when all of America is watching. What Garrett did was dumb. But I just can't conjure all that much outrage when I've watched years and years of us just accepting cheap shots from them.

Rudolph needs to be suspended also.

If he isn't, it will be a complete travesty.

In 2 weeks look for the "Steal"ers to cheap shot Baker.

We are now devoid our best defensive players.

The season is officially toast.

It's unofficially toast. I hope our backups come out and play with a fire fueled by the adversity. That would be amazing.

I'd worry about the Steelers "cheap shotting" except they just always do that anyways.

I don't think the season is over my any stretch.

So you think a person should suffer irreparable or life altering harm cause he likes Tami Lauren or is a conservative WOW that's a sad comment

j/c

Lost in all the ado about Garrett is this: We intercepted Rudolph 4 times, and yet we still only scored 21 points. Yes, 2 missed field goals, I know.

Does that concern anyone else?

I have no problem with being a conservative, I have a problem with you not being able to use deductive reasoning and put two and two together.

1. He was alleged he used a racial slur.
2. Tomi Larhan although very attractive, is a right wing extremeist to the point she doesn't even hide her racism.
3. Mason has like other alt right groups on and tweets as well.
4. Myles, a normall calm and collective person, doesn't just go 0-60 like that for no reason. Something tells me was egged on.

Whats a sad comment, is you are going to try to stick up for a guy that kicked a guy in the groin, tried to rip his helmet off, tried to bull rush him, allegedly called him a racial slur, and who plays for the steelers instead of the calm, collective person we know Myles is.

I wonder why? Hmmmm

A little concerning, I think if we score 27 it doesn’t feel as bad. Definitely didn’t capitalize like we should have, but to be fair, the Steelers D is pretty good.

The win means nothing if we don't. Eat them again. What was gained wouldbe lost

Yes. Cause to effect
... our OL was beat more so than they won their 1/11th.

Neither do I. The road will definitely more difficult to travel. I look forward to seeing more of Laurence DT...

We have lost most of the D....Garrett, Burnett, Ogunjobi, etc....

We are sunk.

Not quite, but admittedly we are hurting. It ain't over 'til the Fat Lady sings. Have faith, SB...

You know Willit I read your posts all the time and I think they are great but I and I Think MYLES was wrong and disagree with you and as I saw today even he takes the blame for what he did,and I don't want to get into a peeing match with you, but I was shocked that you think that a guy should get his skull bashed in for the reasons you stated.....peace

Sorry for cell phone spelling.

What is clear is that Odell and Baker are not yet in sync. On the one throw to the left in the end zone.
Odell didn't finish the route? It didn't look like he was looking for the ball. Baker made the throw to the left. Odell stopped. And that was not the only case.

If they were together we would have scored 30+.

Didnt ray rice knock a woman unconscious and then drag her limp body from a elevator? If I am correct he only was suspended 4 games. Your telling me what Garrett did was worse than that?

Yes, because it was televised nationally; nobody had to spend weeks digging to find video of it by which time most people had stopped caring.

The most important thing: Browns Win. Won by a Myles

Who cares if it was on national television. Your saying it's ok for players to do something much worse then what Garrett did as long as it's not on tv? Please, it should be the crime that matters not how many millions did or didnt see it. To .ich politics in football and Goodell plays favorites.

She wasn't a QB. This has gotten stupid coverage. This wasn't all MG.

I don't approve, but I can understand. He may not have known how many people he was down, like three or four on one. No choirboys in this brawl. The NFL maximum here legitimizes how incredibly awful it was.

I am not arguing in favor of what Myles did. But some other helmet incidents got less 'time.' I think one was with Incognito, IIRC.

I don't care if Rudolph is suspended, his punishment should be a kick in the pants, preferably from Gillan.

I'm not sure how many have been kicked square in the jewels, but I think Myles showed considerable restraint in letting himself be separated. If someone kicked me in the balls, charged at me and swung in that general direction again, all bets would be off. You just don't do that to another man.

Yupppp

I just hope this whole thing kickstarts the offense, because now they know they are going to need to score in bushels. The pass rush is not going to be very good.

The whole thing is disappointing. What an absolute waste of a year.

They put up 21 on one of the top rated defenses. Had the field goals been made it would have been more.

The only score they had was a gift of 58 yards in penalties.

Point is, they made a statement. They flat out beat them. The fight is overshadowing a dominating performance.

two wins in the division over the two teams above them in the standings

WE BEAT THE STEELERS!!!!!!!

*I* am not saying it is ok.
I am saying the *NFL* sees it this way because they ARE swayed by the tides of public opinion where they feel they need to be.

Simply put, things that happen Live and in front of you are perceived to be more horrible than things you read about or view later from some security video, and if there is one absolute undeniable fact that we know about the NFL, all they care about is how they are perceived.

They do not care about the players hitting women, they need to be perceived as caring so as not to alienate; doubly so once they set females as a targeted demographic to increase viewership and spending.

They do not care about concussions; they care about NFLPA lawyers thinking they care about them enough for there to not be further lawsuits

They do not care about veterans or the military, they care about DoD dollars coming in that pays them for their faux displays of patriotism like the full field-sized flags, and the viewership that comes with it - it makes for good TV

They do not care about the players smoking pot or using other substances; they simply need to have the appearance of caring which is why a small handful of "name" players will be sacrificed on the altar every year yet usage remains in the ballpark of 80%+ within the league

SO, when you have something like this happen on national TV on a day where it is the ONLY game and sporting event that ANYONE will be talking about not just the next day but through the weekend, they NEED to be seen as having "zero tolerance" and not dragging their feet (like they've done with every single domestic violence case), and thus, they act swiftly and over-react because that is preferable to the story becoming how they didn't act, or they didn't come down hard enough. They need to the story to stay where it is and not have public scrutiny shift the story to being about how they handled it.

They released the tape of the incident. Here's what Myles said to Rudolph:

"Nobody comes in to our house and hands us a Win! NOBODY!!!!"

I fell sleep at the end woke up and askd myself...why is he in the game up by 14?? where are the coaches

BS. Not just picking on you (welcome to the board, lol) because everybody always tries to nitpick on coaching with hindsight.

We punted with 1:46 left... Didn't New England just beat us a few years back with two TDs in the last 90 seconds?? Yep. The message is you play four quarters... They're still running real plays, we're gonna leave real players on the field.

If they started marching straight down the field with starters on the sidelines, everybody would be screaming that Freddie is in over his head.

Well you see, it is no longer a "sporting" event but rather transitioning to "entertainment". The players are merely pawns in a hugely expensive (and overpriced/hyped) spectacle. When Money comes in the front door, the sport part is forced out the back door (ref. NASCAR, for one)...

will, just a couple of thoughts.
1. Who heard this racist slur and has been quoted as having heard it? What color were the guys who were pounding on Myles in defense of Rudolph?

2. I have listened to Lauren some. Never heard racism unless a listener is one of those looks who think defending the border is racist.

3. Riley did not “stick up for” rudolph. He mostly just agreed with Myles and Freddie that Myles screwed up. There are posters who have called Myles a thug and I think that is bologna, but he did screw up. And he and the browns are paying a horrible price!

What incident? what tape does he say this?

That was an attempt at humor. Sorry.

Stick to your day job

No, I'd say turn your sarcasm meter on.

I thought it was pretty damn funny.

I laughed too.

Myles is being excessively held accountable for what he did... Mason is being treated like a victim... that's primarily why people are ticked off.

I read an article from SI today and all it said about Mason's involvement in the whole incident was: "The fight started when Rudolph tugged at Garrett's helmet... " then went on to detail second by second of what Myles did..

That's why I'm mad.. freaking be fair. Mason is a punk.

If the fact that it was a national game has anything to do with it, that just proves that the NFL is far more concerned about image than they are about safety...

I will admit though, a big part of the problem is that it happened on a Thursday.. there was literally NOTHING else to talk about until they started to ramp up the Sunday games... 2 days of nothing but this.

And this is WAY worse than what Garrett did.

Garrett didn't take the helmet off in order to use it as a weapon. He just didn't have time to think as he was being pushed and charged at. He just swung his hand not thinking. The whole thing took place in a few seconds. Anyone who's ever been in a fight knows you don't have time to think about stuff like opening your hand.

That's what makes me so mad. Everyone acting like Garrett did a monstrous pre-planned thing. He was being attacked and swung lightly on his back foot as he was moving away responding to violence coming at him.

Makes me sick. Honestly if Garrett just took it off and bashed him while he was on the ground, I'd be better with it, cuz I'd just say "wow, what a monster, he should be cut." but it wasn't like that AT ALL.

But ofc since he plays for the Browns they need to find a way to screw us the rest of the season.

Should be 4 game suspension max.

IMO, if these types of comments gain momentum there’s a chance the NFL here’s the appeal seriously

He was outnumbered, and may have been and probably uncertain about how many were on him or attacking. He evened the odds a bit. The NFL didn't just give us another vague penalty suspension (indefinite) for the rest of the season and all post-season. They hung us out to dry; actually hung us out to dry in Limbo. We should be able to deal with the consequences of a penalty and account for them, and try to compensate before the next game. Punishing a team and player and owner goes beyond fining them. IMO it is either unfair or it is the case that the NFL lacks a sensible and cogent metric for its punishments, its reach exceeding its hammer as far as secondary consequences. None of this excuses his actions; none of it validates sloppy NFL disciplinary procedures. Self-defense can be a brutal and absolute right we do not surrender.

people need to stop saying Garrett was outnumbered...He was being held by a olineman, who was also trying to keep Mason away..the oline was trying to prevent it from escalating on BOTH sides...after Myles hit him with helmet is when other steelers jumped in

2 against 1 is out-numbered. Myles took a shot to his boys from Rudolph while trying to fend off DeCastro.

I want this (and any other similar) photo posted all over the locker room and on every classroom bulletin board.

I want players to see this every day... and start making plans now.

I'm generally a fairly level-headed guy, but in this case, I want to see this cowardazz punk skull drug all day long. Old school-style. Break a thumb in a scrum. Step on his neck after a sack. A good coach would advise against behavior like this, but as a fan I think it's high time CLE stopped playing puss and start playing real hardass AFCN football.

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Copy that, buddy ... and that was Rudolph's second go at Myles' junk.

This was his first:



Where I'm from, that gets your ass kicked.

That was my thought after the game. How many times have we allowed Pittsburgh to smack us around?
No one did anything when James Harrison was concussing massaqiou and Robiskie on the same drive. Finally a brown is forced to defend himself, does it spectacularly (Myles went a bit too far, ) .

'Here's how you take off a helmet, Mason' .

Mason’s the coward in all this. He has to attack when Myles is being distracted by two other guys. What Myles did was wrong, but so is what Goddell did.

I am sure that the League hates the fact that these pictures are all over the internet.

Hypocrites that they are.

j/c

Making excuses why a football player strikes another football player wearing no helmet in the head with a helmet is not doing anyone any favors.

Sure Rudolph instigated it. That's still no excuse for attacking Rudolph with a helmet and hitting him in the head with it while he was helmetless.

Myles manned up and admitted how wrong it was. Baker said how wrong it was. Yet some on here makes it sound macho. It's not.

I understand wanting Rudolph to also be suspended. I share that view. I understand that he started it. And that's certainly an argument that should be made. I understand people being upset that a lot of the media has shown angles of the event that doesn't tell the entire story.

But none of that, none of it, excuses what Myles did. I just have to say that I'm glad to see that Myles understands this. That Baker understands this and it seems management understands this. It's sad that some of our fans don't.

Actually, the RAy Rice stuff was televised nationally over and over again when the video leaked.

When the video leaked... long after it actually happened.

This was real-time, live, in your living room with announcers giving commentary as it happened.

True, it doesn't change the fact it was still there, on national TV over and over again. Live on TV is no difference than being show later. A person is still only going to see something for the first time once.

doesn't matter if it was live on tv or from a week ago, its going to have the same feeling the first time you see something.

I'm just curious when employers started punishing their employees the same way when they're not at work as they do when they are at work?

Example;

You're caught driving a company vehicle drunk on company time.

You get a DUI on the week end on your own time in your own car.

For the most part, unless you drive for a living, your DUI on the week-end in your own car doesn't really impact your job. Yet driving the company car at work drunk will get you fired. It's not really that complicated.

Its Monday, I am not following the analogy your trying to make or the point your trying to get across. Im a little lost.

Are you saying Ray Rice shouldn't have been punished for beating a women, but Myles should for the helmet thing cause he was on the field and rice wasn't?

The way I read that bunch of posts is that the helmet swing happened on TNF. It's not too much of an exaggeration to say that everyone in America was watching it, as it happened.

Ray Rice played out over a longer period of time. Granted, this didn't happen, but it's far more likely that a story that drips out over a shorter period of time will garner less interest and less urgency from the league.

IMO, a better example is a hypothetical. Some news outlet grabs the video, or gets another camera angle, and shows Rudolph mouthing a racial slur. ESPN et al. have already moved on to the next week's stories and don't pick it up. That part of the story dies on the vine, yielding no discipline.

No, that's really not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that an incident at work is generally seen as a greater infraction than an incident that isn't at work by your employer.

Gotcha, thank you for clarifying your response.

Idk if I agree, lets say a DUI happens at work, that's greater than a murder in your own time? Maybe Ray Lewis can help clarify with that

J/C

Lets do it this way....

Instead of comparing Myles to Rudolph, lets take Myles actions out of it altogether.

Why did OGI get a game for pushing Mason, when Mason got nothing for kicking another player? And Then why did Pouncy get a game for kicking someone, when mason got nothing for kicking someone?

Troy Vincent said Larry's actions were a escalating the situation, not defusing it. I agree with this.

However, in the write up I read he did not discuss Rudolph. Shocker.

Not only that, but Troy Aikmans reaction was as if Clark Griswold really did wake up with his head sewn in the carpet. He acted like it was the worst thing he had ever seen.

j/c...

J/C

Smith from Texans Blast Incognito with his own helmet

1 regular season game suspension. So a precedent in the past has been set, and the NFL went way beyond it.

I realize it's not the same, but I can't help but wonder where the national/social media outrage was when OBJ was getting choke-dragged across the field in the Ravens game.

I mean, hands are deadly weapons and are used by murderers plenty of times to suffocate others by choking. Yet that was pretty much ignored by anyone other than Browns fans, and the Ravens organization just straight up lied about the video evidence.

Again, I realize it's on a different level and I am not excusing what Myles did, but it just was something that popped in my head yesterday.

Ok, so let's say I can agree that Ogi was escalating it by knocking Rudolph down.. then what was Rudolph doing when he went back after Garrett while DeCastro was moving Myles away from the situation and diffusing it?

I don't see one single way, anybody can convince me that Rudolph doesn't deserve more than Obi when all is said and done.

LMAO - between Aikman and Joe Buck the only things missing were the guy wailing "Oh the humanity!" at the Hindenburg Disaster, and maybe Aunt Bea exclaiming "Oh my heavenly stars and garters!" as if she accidentally walked into a Chippendale show.

This

If Myles had dropped the helmet and decked rudolph with his fists, they both probably would have gotten the same suspension....and rudolph would have been much worse off. You just can't swing a helmet at a bare skull.

I completely disagree.

1. Its the steelers, they always get the benefit
2. its a QB vs a DL. They always going to give the QB the benefit.

The league has sent the message that a QB can do whatever he wants to anyone on the field, with no repercussion from the league, whatsoever.

No wonder why Myles thought he had to take matters into his own hands.

If you get hit in the crotch, you're thinking about it. Not what's in your hand or what's going on around you. Even with a cup on if you get kicked square in the junk it's something that grabs a hold of your attention. When the person who kicked you there runs at you and swings in the general direction of that part of your anatomy, your focus is on not getting hit there again. Rudolph was possibly just reaching for his helmet, but the helmet wasn't what Myles was thinking about. He was thinking about not taking another blow beneath the belt.

Intent should be considered. If the person handing down the punishment can get kicked in the groin and then not respond when the same person swings in that direction again, he's a rare man.

I think if Myles would have dropped the helmet, he still would have swung at him, but of course without the helmet.

Him holding on to it, and being rushed by Rudolph, you're naturally gonna swing.

No.

Players don't wear cups anymore.

Some do, some don't. Apparently those playing the Steelers should.

the vast majority do not. This was actually being talked about the other day with Jerrod Cherry on TNL.

he said its actually more dangerous cause if your hit there the cut can do more damage than good. It also causes reduction in movement and speed, and well...chaffing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/09/sport...-no-thanks.html

Your opinion. In my own, YES.

So according to you,

So it's only natural to use a weapon in response to being rushed?

So now we are afraid some one might get hit in the head by a Cup ?

hahah, no was just pointing out that he was kicked in a place where no protection was.

Just trying to add a little humor to a subject that is way past worn out ! Waiting for the appeal dissension brawl .. lol

If you get into an NFL scrum and end up with somebody else's cup in your hand... you got some 'splainin to do.

Yes. You can overcome that natural instinct and use a more measured response but as human beings our natural instinct is to defend ourselves and win the fight.. it's not to make it fair, it's to win.

I guess I should have said "a reasonable response" to use a weapon.

No, you should have said "a reasonable response to swing his helmet"

"use a weapon" seems sort of disingenuous don't ya think? Like he went for the gun or the knife or the tire iron... no, he just swung the plastic helmet that was already in his hand...

I think you should look at what constitutes a weapon. Not a deadly weapon, but a weapon.

Weapon Definition: ... "Weapon means any thing used, designed to be used or intended for use (a) in causing death or injury to any person, or (b) for the purpose of threatening or intimidating any person and, without restricting the generality of the foregoing, includes a firearm."

Using a helmet in that way most certainly constitutes using it as a weapon.

When striking someone with a hard object, you most certainly used that object as a weapon. You may have preferred I use a different term, but the term I used is accurate and not disingenuous.

Ok, well if we are going to get all into Webster's dictionary and legal definitions... then Rudolph initiated the fight, post football play, by ripping Garrett's helmet and kicking him in the nuts, then came after him again.. so by legal definition, ANYTHING Garrett did after that is purely self defense.

So are you saying that you approve of the actions of Myles?

Because all I'm saying is he used that helmet as a weapon. And he did.

Nope, I'm just saying that calling the helmet "a weapon" because it meets a legal definition makes it sound more sinister and calculated than it really was.

That's all about perception. You either use an object as a weapon or you don't. He did.

So you don't think a person should be entitled to use a weapon to defend themselves against assault?

I know that if I feel threatened, I am absolutely going to use a weapon.



"If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck."

My point, and I think Pit knows this, is that you could write the headline for the story about this 2 ways and both would be factually correct by all legal definitions...

"Myles Garrett ripped off Mason Rudolph's helmet and used it as a weapon to hit him in his unprotected head."

or....

"Myles Garrett used a football helmet to ward off the 6'5", 240 lb man who was assaulting him."

Smiling grandma at the very end is a classic ending to this battle royale.