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I know. I was just posting what I heard. I think Rudolph deserves at least a game suspension.

I agree. I'd be madder that Rudolph isn't suspended except he's terrible anyways.

Where were all the suspensions when the Steelers were bullying us?

I honestly don't understand how the NFL continues to get away with biased behavior towards the Browns.

Who's job is this to fix? Haslam?

I'm debating if I want to stop watching the NFL entirely.

I'd miss it so much, but it just feels like I'm supporting a criminal enterprise. I can deal with biased Refs calls until we have superstars for them to protect. I can deal with mismanagement, extra fines, etc, but suspending players of ours and not theirs is next level favoritism.

Some people say it's racism because Rudolph was the only white player of the 4. The MOST at fault, and yet got the least punishment.

Could that be true? That would make me sad.

This will get appealed because Haslam is getting cost 100,000,0000 of dollars.
This means the AFC north is a 3 way dogfight.

1 player does not make a team. We won and the Steelers took a good ole fashion butt whipping. Moving on.

J/C

I keep reading how Browns/Browns fans are playing the blame game. I'm not blaming anyone, in fact I don't care how it started. I'm taking what I saw in the video and issuing suspensions. I don't even care who or why it started...

I don't understand how Rudolph gets no suspension after looking at the video. I would LOVE to hear the reasoning why the NFL didn't suspend him and what they saw in the video to justify it.

If Rudolph does nothing after having his helmet ripped off, the incident is over, we have ejections and minimal fines and suspensions. Except, Rudolph charges after Garrett and punches/grabs him in the groin. Is the NFL gonna say he was just trying to get his helmet back?

After the incident, Ogunjobi pushes Rudolph to the ground and he receives a game suspension? Are you kidding me? Since when is pushing a player to the ground a suspension? No punches thrown, nothing. Game suspension, but the guy who prolongs the fight, nothing.

It's unbelievable that Rudolph received zero suspension. Unbelievable! Maybe Garrett starts it, maybe Rudolph did, but Rudolph 100% prolonged in the fight charging after Garrett.

Please NFL, tell me what you saw that justifies no suspension for Mason Rudolph. I'm most upset about this than potentially losing the best defensive player in the league for the season.

What Garrett did is inexcusable, but Mason Rudolph no suspension is a complete and utter joke.

Rudolph tried to puck MG and got the worst end of it period.

Now I don't go for after the play is over violence but you have to ask yourself a question why did this whole thing start?

MG had Rudolph grab his facemask and ear hole and twist, MG then ripped his helmet from his head, then Rudolph tried to go for MG no-no's and got a helmet to his head for his trouble. The NFL can blame MG for his act, but not Rudolph for his.

The fact is MG overreacted and could have inflicted a life threatening injury to Rudolph, but Rudolph is far from a innocent victim here and that would be my point.

Make no mistake either the Browns were ready for the Steelers to TRY to punch them in the face as they have so many times.

IMO its long past time the Browns stood up to the Steelers but this went a bit to far. I got MG back, but never use a helmet to do the deed beat the hell out of him with your hands he is a punk treat him like one, beat his ass.

After looking at the steeler message boards, there are more than a few of their fans that wish Rudolph would get suspended.

j/c

I had a feeling the punishment they would hand out would be handed out. Rudolph is skating, basically, because he's a quarterback. Pouncy will appeal and have it knocked down to 2 games perhaps, long enough to keep him out of the next meeting.

Garret is so wrong man. I know it's emotion but the better part of valor is to walk away. Be the bigger man and be the better man. Now, he's the villain of the entire NFL community to say nothing of mainstream media running this story and social media. He made Ben Shaprio for God sakes!

Now the dude is going to lose more money than I will make in ten lifetimes and hurt his team by not being out on the field. I don't feel sorry for him. I am irked, really.

That being said, the NFL has a discipline problem. Myles gets an indefinite suspension which could mean, and it wouldn't surprise me, that he's suspended into next year. This is PR pure and simple. He's getting a bigger suspension than dudes who beat women or do drugs. This is PR punishment.

Rudolph should be suspended a game or two as well. That little punk cried and played the "babe of the woods" routine and had is agent talk to a lawyer. I sincerely hope, that when we play again in two weeks, we beat the ever loving snot out of him, pick off four more passes and beat the crap out of that team in their stadium.

I know several Steelers fans that feel the same way. If it was Big Ben though they probably wouldn't say that . . . they say that cause Rudolph sucks.

I’m already down to watching only the Browns games in their entirety. Other nfl games I pay little attention to, if they’re on my tv, it’s generally as background noise. These actions by goddell are just one more nail in the nfl coffin for me. I’m finally to a point where the nfl isn’t worth the time investment I’ve previously made to the sport. To not give Rudolph any kind of suspension is the nfl’s version of picking winners and losers. Either suspend no one or everyone involved, this outcome is absolutely unfair.

Garrett WAS walking away...retreating towards the back of the endzone...neutralized by a Steeler O Lineman. Mason charged at Garrett.

None of the videos making it to TV show any of that...not how it all started...not Garrett retreating...not even Pouncey in a roid rage.

I was discussing the fight with a Bengal-fan friend last night. He said that Garrett should not have come at Rudolph...I explained that Garrett did NOT come after Rudolph...we argued about the point...the game was being replayed in the bar. At the end of the game, he changed his mind 100% about who was at fault once he saw the whole event.

Not many non-Browns fans or non-Steeler fans will ever see the entire event...those who did, saw the guy who unnecessarily started the fight get punked...just like it should be in life.

Doesn't fit the narrative the Media wants to push . Why many, many folks don't trust the Media anymore .

If you broke the incident down frame by you come away with a totally different opinion of the incident.

All know that Garrett went overboard . he is going get Time Out !

Not on the same page with our Owners ( as usual ) . Would have worded my statement very differently !

After seeing Rudolph's press conference...yuck...what a smug SOB

Its important to understand, Garret HELD BACK that swing was a defensive swing, not an offense one...Garret easily could have split rudolph's head in half if he wanted to, Have you SEEN Myles Garret?

Trust me, Garret held back, he barely swung that helmet at Rudolph at all, he easily could have split his head or killed him if he wanted to. That needs to be stated that Garret did indeed hold back.

I don't think Garret will be out that long, the indefinite suspension is just there because they haven't decided a number of games yet, they are meeting with them next week.

Garret has the NFL Rulebook on his side:

Rule 12 Section 2

ARTICLE 17. USE OF HELMET AS A WEAPON.
A player may not use a helmet that is no longer worn by anyone as a weapon to strike, swing at, or throw at an opponent.

Penalty: For illegal use of a helmet as a weapon: Loss of 15 yards and automatic disqualification. If the foul is by the defense, it is also an automatic first down.

Simply put, swinging a helmet is just an ejection and nothing more.

Mason Rudolph grabbing and twisting Garrets helmet is JUST AS EGREGIOUS as what Garret did according to the NFL Rule book, perhaps even moreso:

ARTICLE 15.
TWISTING, PULLING, OR TURNING THE FACEMASK OR HELMET OPENING

.No player shall grasp and control, twist, turn, push, or pull the facemask or helmet opening of an opponent in any direction.

Note:If a player grasps an opponent’s facemask or helmet opening, he must immediately release it. If he does not immediately release it and controls his opponent, it is a foul.

Penalty: For twisting, turning, pushing, pulling, or controlling the mask or helmet opening: Loss of 15 yards. The player may be disqualified if the action is flagrant. If the foul is by the defense, it is also an automatic first down.

https://operations.nfl.com/media/3831/2019-playing-rules.pdf

Simply put, What Garret did is being blown out of proportion. Rudolph didn't get hurt or killed because Garret wasn't trying to hurt or kill him, he was simply trying to get Rudolph away from him before he could take a 3rd shot at his man parts.

Mason Rudolph is not in a hospital or dead today soley because Myless Garret chose not to use his real actualy power in swinging that helmet. Garret CONSCIUOUSLY CHOSE not use his full power in that swing....Rudolph is a lucky, lucky man...he would do best to remember that.

I finally got to see the replays in slo mo...

Rudolph started it.. Garrett finished it.

Garrett was wrong, no question. But for Rudolph to walk scottfree, no,... I don't think so.

j/c:

The NFL is saying that if you wear brown and orange, you don't matter.

While I am as frustrated as anyone at some of the perceived preferential treatment of teams like NE and Pit .... there is a huge, huge, huge difference between helmet hits to players who are protected with a helmet - and swinging a helmet at a guy who is unprotected. You just can't try to compare the two situations.

That's exactly why they want him suspended.

Garrett needs to get the NFLPA to initiate the appeal.
I doubt that they stand with him right now, however.

Many valid points being talked about here but the one thing that bothers me about the whole mess; there were only 8 miserable seconds left in a game we had won. Couldn't Myles have just gotten up after initial contact and walked away? For 8 seconds all this grief and our season is ruined. It makes me sick!!!

No I hear what you are saying. A helmet with 250 lbs of man inside of it moving at speed is very dangerous. I just disagree that it's more dangerous than an empty helmet swung by MG at someone's unprotected head. Hell, I could kill a man with a blow to his head with a helmet.

Anyway - don't need to belabor the point. We agree to an extent but ultimately disagree. All good. I hope MG appeals and wins. Based on the rule book he has a good case to reduce the suspension, 4-6 games would be about right in my view.

Whether it's road rage or the heat of battle in a football game, when the red mist descends and you are pushed over the edge, I don't believe there is any thinking, just rage. A bit like Eo - I agree with what you're saying, that would have been good/better ... but in that instant there wasn't anything other than rage. And no I don't think it's Roid Rage as someone mentioned in a post.

Garret made a mistake. He is not an evil person. He is paying a penalty.

What I hate is the holier-than-thou media's ability to assassinate a person's character and career, which they built over a lifetime, after a self-admitted mistake when showing remorse. This started in politics and now has filtered into sport. It's why I don't follow politics any more.

Go Browns!

All I know is that I hope that this is the beginning of Pittsburgh seeing Garrett as the Boogeyman, and I want a Garrett jersey for Christmas.

The more I watch the video and see how their QB started everything, the more I'm in Garrett's corner. Including the helmet swing, even though it was colossally stupid to do it because of how it hurt the team.... but, let me be clear, the fact that it hurts the team is the only reason I'm down on it. Dude earned it.

In my head I am imagining Garrett is out for the year because of a blown acl. It makes it easier to bear the loss.

I am not ready to concede anything though, and I think for all their faults, many people on this team (Baker, Landry to name a few) may thrive with their backs against the wall and everyone doubting them.

I’m wondering if it’s because they believe he used a racial slur.

I'm stunned.. Social Media has once again stepped in and forced a decision prematurely... The NFL should have had the balls to tell the Media that they will make a decision after they have investigated the incident.

I believe most people are voicing an opinion only because they feel they have to follow along with what Social Media is trying to sell.

Before Social Media back in the day when Football was played with sweat and blood in the trenches... There were players like Mike Ditka who would lay on top of a player and ram his fingers through the Face Mask and gouge at his eyes..That player could have had serious eye injuries ..but the game went on...

Now we are living in the Rodger Goodell days where he has done nothing but put a dark cloud over the Cleveland Browns...This organization has lost it's respect... It has been looked down on...On a weekly basis.

This organization has been unfairly judged by Goodell and his Referee's that are incompetent to Referee a game. Other teams have lost respect for this team. Fans have lost respect for this team.

I have watched the Pittsburgh Steelers disrespect this Organization and the Players that wear the Orange and Brown... I have had enough of the Steelers getting away with the dirty play they do.

I'm tired of seeing the Cleveland Browns get smacked in the face.. I'm tired of the Cleveland Browns not getting any Respect. I'm tired of Browns fans NOT SUPPORTING one of their teams Player.

To be a Browns fan and disgrace a player that was attacked by a QB and two other Steeler players by saying he should be banned and that he is a bad person is absolutely a disgrace to that Player who wears the Browns colors.

This team will never gain respect as long as they let teams come in and treat them the way that QB and two others did to a Browns player..Now what's going to happen ? Every team and QB know they can attack a Browns player and will get away with it.

Sometimes it takes what MG did to start teams to show respect and be fearful on how they treat a Browns Player. Right or wrong...It is Necessary to support MG and the Cleveland Browns.

I personally can't stand seeing the Browns treated as a whimp team ..The whimp teams in the past have done nothing to change a losing Culture..

I saw a Browns Player being attacked by three Steelers..NO WAy in hell will I ever want to see that again...I SUPPORT MG...And if your a Browns fan and you don't...Then there's a towel in Pittsburgh you can go suck !

Let this RIVALRY begin

J/c

As I told my Steeler friends: Let’s be honest, you’re MOST UPSET about the final score, not Myles Garrett’s actions. Heck, most Steeler fans hate Rudolph

Not just that, we told players that it is okay to instigate without repercussion. The exact opposite of what the message should be, it only serves to exacerbate the actual problem.

Imagine if our message to bullies was that it is okay... And told those that are bullied to thicken their skin and just put up with it.

This will be HUGE

I would happy if the OWNER would grow a set and stand with Garrett !

I totally agree!
We Just got back from the game yesterday, and boy had a great time! In the hotel watching ESPN and listening to the radio on the way home I was saying the same thing. This was a horrible act visually but lets be truthful, it was NOT going to kill Mason. This is a over reaction by the media to entrench the severity behind the situation. This was to say the obvious, to the public, that as a player in football, we're not to do this. Was it dangerous , YES, but even I highly doubt it would even ended Masons career and even less likely to kill Mason. I know some of you on here have been hit in the head by an object or two just like myself. As myself, and I'm sure some of you,have been hit in the head by WAY worse than a empty helmet on top of our noggin and are perfectly O.K.! By No way am I excusing Myles for what we saw, it is a bad look! But please stop acting like this is Negan hitting Glenn with Lucille.(Walking Dead)
I'm just saying lets use common sense and quit over reacting.
This is all I'm going to say just my .02 cents.

I am complete agreement there is sometimes as a boss you need to let employees know you have there backs.

Hitting a player wearing no helmet with a helmet is using it as a weapon.

I say that depends on how you look at it. (Said in my best fox news host voice.)

1st play send the house and a message we own you get used to it.

The Ruddy-Off should have suspension as well IMO. Baker better take advantage of stirring things up for us without any major penalty at all.

The punk started it, escalated it, and kept it going. Wrong for MG; but if the others had done it on the sidewalk, we would see jail for more than him. I do not condone the NFL ruling. But these vague endless things are unfair. Know your time and cost.

You are so VERY RIGHT...

The media saying what if he hit him with the other side of the helmet.. what if he hit him in the temple...what if he hit him with the crown of the helmet to the top of his head could of seriously injured him..

Guess what Media asses... the what if's didn't happen..

He barely hit him hard enough that it didn't even SHUT Masons mouth up.. Mason kept at it...

Very true! He threw his hands up and signaled Touchdown!!