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I think it is more open here because the South is probably more integrated then other parts of the country.
And with integration, you have more problems.
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Now I can get behind that thought because when I lived there those who were of a racist mindset were pretty open about it whereas up here it is kind of treated like a dirty little secret . I had to have friends ,who were black , not come to my apartment complex because of the looks and comments that they recieved . Once when the situation got physical and the cops were called the responding officer told my friends to " pick a another place to visit "because of the well known attitudes of my neighbors and for me to have better sense than to put my friends in danger. Blew me away and that was in 1987 . The city was Columbus Ga. which is a fairly large city with what I thought was a pretty progressive population.  I know that isn't the prvailing sentiment but it was enough for me to form an opinion ( that and other things in the surrounding area ).
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I was not going to comment on this issue because I wanted to see what type of "responses" were made on here. The only thing that I can say about this "incident" in Jena, La. is that there is a whole lot more info out there that has not been reported, but from what I know, there was another incident where several "white kids" jumped and beat up an AA Student at the school and "no charges" were ever filed on the attack! Personally, what I have experienced in my life is that many people are pretty much "judgemental" when it comes out to whether a person should be "ostracized" because they may have had a criminal record or the thought that many of the young AA men who are good and decent will "psychologically be stereotyped" as thuggish or even up to no good...I hope and pray one day that many of "US" here in this country will get PAST the skin tone and look at the content of the character of the people around us....Another sad bit of truth is that the "Voting rights Act of 1964" is either up or close to it's expiration date to which I am not sure of....How many other "Americans" had to be given a right to vote due to their race in this country with "time limits"????? I hope that I have not offended anyone but there is an old Indian saying about walking a mile in another person's moccasins to feel what they feel, I don't think this could be done in a bias and objectionable manner anywhere in the U.S. If you want to talk about getting the screw put to a group of people, look at what the American Indian has endured of the past two (2) centuries thanks to us "good ole folks" who were doing them a favor......
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Plenty of people have been discriminated against. Women couldn't vote in this country at one time. I'm not still crying about it.
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Now I can get behind that thought because when I lived there those who were of a racist mindset were pretty open about it whereas up here it is kind of treated like a dirty little secret . I had to have friends ,who were black , not come to my apartment complex because of the looks and comments that they recieved . Once when the situation got physical and the cops were called the responding officer told my friends to " pick a another place to visit "because of the well known attitudes of my neighbors and for me to have better sense than to put my friends in danger. Blew me away and that was in 1987 . The city was Columbus Ga. which is a fairly large city with what I thought was a pretty progressive population.
I know that isn't the prvailing sentiment but it was enough for me to form an opinion ( that and other things in the surrounding area ).
I was stationed down there in Columbus, GA. (Ft. Benning) back from 85-86 (jump-daddy)  . I didn't experience any of that "attitude" when I was down there myself.  .Maybe cuz I would have shown the shiny end of my jump boots to anyone desiring instant dental work.  ....Is Tombo's still close to the Ft.????
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Are you comparing women not being able to vote to a whole race of people who got lynched at one point in time just for their skin color? Them being able to vote is just ONE of many struggles...not the only
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Mike, I was not going to comment either because I did not even want to open up the can of worms. But when I was watching CNN, it struck me how the media plays into the so called racial frenzy. If you noticed, CNN and other outlets, when they talk about the Jena 6, they describe the noose and then the beating. So if you do not investigate further, then you would think those two items that caused this incident. But of course most folks would not know that, after the noose incident, the school just handled that incident as a silly prank, did not do ANYTHING. Then when Black students complained, the local DA threatened the black students with "changing their lives with a stroke of a pen"!. After this, a couple months later a black student gets beaten by whites at a party that he was invited too attend -> Again, nothing done to those who did that beating. Later, a white student threatens black students with a gun in a store, black students wrestle gun away from white student -> black students are charged with robbery( of the Gun). SO now you have all this that leads us to the white student allegedly taunting the black student who got beat up at the party, so then the black students beat him up!!! BUT of course, the black students are charged with attempted second degree murder!! -> isnt that so fair!!!! ( The white student did go the hospital and later was at a party!!) So the protesters were not saying that those 6 should not be charged, but charged with a lessor sentence, but we know how fair the Justice system is  !!! Also, CNN and the other outlets put Sharpton and Jackson on the news when THEY DID NOT ORGANIZE THE PROTEST!!!.. SO that shows you that so called liberal media likes to use certain people to fire up an issue when they were not that involved in it!!
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How the assault charges are applied can vary based on many factors....it may very well turn out this DA applied the ramped up charge of attempted murder often....
I myself feel it was a bit stiff based on the age of the offenders...though most it seems weren't students.....it also looks to be a classic case of hate crime as it is defined...I wonder why that wasn't applied??
I just wonder that since it was a case of "six on one" if the stiffer charges aren't due to the prosecuters perception that this crime on the suface may fall into the "gang related" category.
It does seem that prosecuters apply stiffer charges to "gang related crimes" from what I've seen. The law may even stipulate such,I have no idea.
However,from a legal standpoint,I don't know quite what the definition of "gang" is in legal terms. ie.......organised gang? Simply multiple people "acting out" in a gang style fashion?
See,my generation looks at "Our Gang" or a gang simply being a congregation of people being together. If six people jumped on one person when I was a kid,we'd have "several names" we might attatch to that.
But we most certainly would have considered it a "gang of guys" that jumped us.
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That protest was , I believe, started or organized by Michael Baisden..
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I don't have all the facts and unlike you, I don't plan to research the matter.
I don't really plan to either, I'm just waiting for people to post more articles on here... 
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it also looks to be a classic case of hate crime as it is defined...I wonder why that wasn't applied??
If you beat somebody up because they hate you, is that a hate crime?
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IMO it does. Whoever hung the nooses should have been punished, and the six kids should have been punished, but 20 years in jail when the kid was walking around on his own the same day  Something just don't add up. 
People get shot and walk out of the hospital the same day all the time.
There is no excuse for this kind of behavior. The school and DA blew it when they didn't expell and then charge the kids who hung the noose. That doesn't give anyone the right to do something else.
I'm with 79 when I say I'm concerned with the underlying racism that seems to exist in this community. It sounds like a real powder keg and is going to blow if something isn't done to difuse it.
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Plenty of people have been discriminated against. Women couldn't vote in this country at one time. I'm not still crying about it.
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I hope and pray one day that many of "US" here in this country will get PAST the skin tone and look at the content of the character of the people around us....
Mike, many of US got past it years ago. The problem is you don't see anything about it on CNN, or in the papers. You only hear about the bad things in the news these days, because thats what sells
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One comment,,,
Two wrongs don't make a right..
Putting those nooses up was a wrong,, Getting in a physical confrontation is also a wrong... and there ain't nothing right about it.
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Mike, many of US got past it years ago. The problem is you don't see anything about it on CNN, or in the papers. You only hear about the bad things in the news these days, because thats what sells
That's not "these days" gm. Do you ever remember turning on the news and having the lead story be, "No incidences of racism occurred in the state of Alabama today. Stay tuned for the whole story." ????
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Do you ever hear the news report a white man and an AA are best friends, their kids play together everyday. I white man married an AA woman, I community of mixed races lives together with zero race problems? NOPE all you will hear are stories about racism, yet look how much better we all get along than we did 100 years ago.
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No, I don't hear about it.. but that's my point, I didn't hear about it 30 years ago either... I'm not doubting you that the news is all negative, I'm just stating that it's pretty much ALWAYS been that way. It's just that before you had 2 or 3 news channels, a radio, and a newspaper... now you have a dozen 24 hour news channels, a radio, and online access to 8 million other things that pass for news.... It's like if I sang, it would sound awful.... but if 400 guys who sound like me sang, it would still sound awful, only louder.....
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Plenty of people have been discriminated against. Women couldn't vote in this country at one time. I'm not still crying about it.
Allowing women to vote is probably the single biggest mistake made by our government.
Oh jeesh. You're in BIG trouble NOW!
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I'm just stating that it's pretty much ALWAYS been that way. It's just that before you had 2 or 3 news channels, a radio, and a newspaper... now you have a dozen 24 hour news channels, a radio, and online access to 8 million other things that pass for news.... :
If I didn't know better,I'd swear that you're getting very cynical in regards to the media in your old age.
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I was not going to comment either because I did not even want to open up the can of worms. But when I was watching CNN, it struck me how the media plays into the so called racial frenzy. If you noticed, CNN and other outlets, when they talk about the Jena 6, they describe the noose and then the beating. So if you do not investigate further, then you would think those two items that caused this incident.
But of course most folks would not know that, after the noose incident, the school just handled that incident as a silly prank, did not do ANYTHING. Then when Black students complained, the local DA threatened the black students with "changing their lives with a stroke of a pen"!. After this, a couple months later a black student gets beaten by whites at a party that he was invited too attend -> Again, nothing done to those who did that beating. Later, a white student threatens black students with a gun in a store, black students wrestle gun away from white student -> black students are charged with robbery( of the Gun). SO now you have all this that leads us to the white student allegedly taunting the black student who got beat up at the party, so then the black students beat him up!!! BUT of course, the black students are charged with attempted second degree murder!! -> isnt that so fair!!!!
( The white student did go the hospital and later was at a party!!)
This is interesting. Do you have a link to the entire chain of events?
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1. The first group that put up the nooses should have been punished somehow... I'm not so sure I agree with Rev Jackson in that it was a hate crime... but I think it was a very poorly tasted prank that could have at least been charged with defacing public property or something.
2. The 6 kids that beat up the one boy absolutely should be punished... attempted murder is a bit far though. Aggrevated assualt? I whole-heartedly agree. The kids that have records I can see being tried as adults... the others I think if they had a clean record should be tried as kids. I thought Jesse Jackson looked like an idiot to say though that to try a kid as an adult is child abuse... if it's a kid who does a heinous crime (like if the boy who was beaten would have died) then I see no problem charging a teenager as an adult.
In this case though I think it could have been prevented somewhat if the first group was punished... but something similar happened in my hometown where a bunch of white kids did a prank that was pretty racist. They were punished by the school but a couple days later there was still a pretty big fight that broke out between a group of white and black students. Thankfully people on both sides of the race card were punished accordingly.
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Do you ever hear the news report a white man and an AA are best friends, their kids play together everyday.
Why are whites, whites while everybody else gets some fancy name?
It is much simpler to say the white guy over there, the black guy over there...the Oriental over there....the Indian over there..
You do bring up a damn good point....the stuff that is bad is what makes the news.....it is pretty minimal when you take into context all the people and all the places.
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Is this a good take as to why only bad things make the news?...
I think it's called NEWS...because its NEWs. It's new happenings. If it was stories about say that family that their children play together everyday. Thatd be Sames. Not News?
I mean, I absolutely wish that the News would talk about good things. But the unfortunate result of NEW things, is theyre usually bad. Because our race (human race) is inherently good (well, thats up for debate, but on another level that is for another time). I mean our society as a general rule, doesnt do bad things. So new things, are the bad things that stick out.
maybe thats why News is always bad?
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That is a good question...i'm not sure either...could it be the same reason why the kids who hung the nooses up didn't get charged? When it comes down to it...One thing is for sure...racisim isn't this obvious throughout the country but it's out there...mostly in the form of institutionalized racisim where even good ppl don't realize when they are being racist cuz thts jus how they were brought up...
Of course who ever beat the kid, should get punished. I wouldn't want my child beat that bad, even if he was wrong. What gets me is that The Black kids had to ask for PERMISSION to sit under a tree where White kids frequent. That is as bad as the article last year about the prom dance where they had the White kids prom and the separate Black kids prom. That was in the South I think as well. Does anyone remember that article here at Dawgtalk?
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Plenty of people have been discriminated against. Women couldn't vote in this country at one time. I'm not still crying about it.
Bad comparison Jules...There's not nooses hanging or crosses burning in your front yard today because you are a White woman or that you can vote now...
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I guess the thing that disturbs me most about this case is the underlying racism in this town (and I fear, many towns still in the US). I mean, a "whites only" tree?
Do you really believe in this day and age there is a "Whites only Tree"?GMAB, Nowhere in America would that crap fly.
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Jfanent, http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/20/jena.six/index.html#cnnSTCOther1look at timeline and some of the other articles if you like - There are other sites with articles/opinions but I did not want add sites that might have some type of bias/slant..etc
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Thanks ....I actually looked at CNN earlier but didn't notice the timeline stories.
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Some of you people are just truly unbelievable.
You'll defend injustice to the death, just because there's race involved. Damn the fact that black people NEVER brought race into this...IT WAS ALREADY THERE.
But you all continue to live your "it's 2007" bubble. Bury your head in the sand because it doesn't affect you.
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Everyone should check out what's been happening down there prior to the headline events before forming their opinion. It was pretty easy to say, "Al and Jesse are down there starting trouble" (I still don't think they're helping) and write it off as that without getting the entire picture and chain of events.
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Everyone should check out what's been happening down there prior to the headline events before forming their opinion. It was pretty easy to say, "Al and Jesse are down there starting trouble" (I still don't think they're helping) and write it off as that without getting the entire picture and chain of events.
Your right J, I'll bet all of GM's and Ndutyme's cash that NO ONE knew this all happened a year ago and it's just now hitting the media.... 
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Some of you people are just truly unbelievable.
Is it really that unbelievable? It's what is and it's pretty pervasive. I know you know that though and you'd probably have a long list of words you'd like to replace 'unbelievable' with, some of them might even get you banned. I have quite an extensive list of my own. My guess is though, we'd get just as far talking to the gum on the bottom of our shoes.
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Here is an article on this town,This is from the Baltimore Examiner:
Doppler radar doesn’t show it, but storm clouds have gathered over sleepy Jena, La.
Maybe you’ve heard of the swelling squall in the town, where thousands protested the treatment of six young black men yesterday. It’s the story of how racial tensions came to a head in the quiet hamlet of 3,000, landing one white teenager in the hospital and six black kids behind bars.
The events leading up to the beating of Justin Barker by what the media calls the “Jena Six” — Mychal Bell, Carwin Jones, Bryant Purvis, Theo Shaw, Robert Bailey, and Jesse Ray Beard — is the sort of thing common in rural southern towns a half-century ago.
And like many of those terrorizing tales, it all started with a noose.
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About a year ago, just after fall semester began, a black Jena High School student asked the school’s vice principal if he could sit under a tree unofficially reserved by white students.
The vice principal told the black student he could sit where he pleased. So he did. With several of his black friends.
The next day, three nooses hung from that tree.
A catalyst for the events to come — the district attorney was summoned to address the student body, off-campus fights were reported, someone set fire to the school’s main auditorium — the nooses were written off as a prank, creating an atmosphere of fear reminiscent of the area’s turbulent past.
It wasn’t until the beating of Justin Barker last December — Barker was, according to reports, jumped by the Jena 6, knocked unconscious, stomped and kicked — and the subsequent attempted murder and conspiracy charges against the Jena 6, however, that the national firestorm ignited.
But with that controversy, and its implicit double standard, comes questions.
Did the Jena 6 attempt to murder Justin Barker — who was treated and released the same day of the attack — or was it simply a school fight that went too far? Are these black students being charged with imprisonable offenses because they beat another student — who may or may not have provoked the fight with racial epithets — or is it because that student is white?
These questions, however, are moot. The damage is done. But it does make you wonder why this months-long cultural clash was allowed to reach its boiling point.
Frankly, it’s because Jena’s children are byproducts of adults who turn blind eyes to the kinds of prejudices they engage in. These adults should have stepped in from the beginning, cohesively denouncing the hanging of the nooses, ensuring their children’s safety, and encouraging racial sensitivity.
Which brings us back to an unanswered question that precedes the penultimate incident — primarily, why the students who hung the nooses were reprimanded with slight slaps on the wrists? The school’s principal recommended expulsion for the students; the LaSalle Parish School Board — Jena High School’s governing body — overruled the recommendation and suspended the three white students for three days.
That’s hardly retribution for what, taking into account its symbolism, was a malicious and dangerous act of bigotry. Don’t these people know that nooses, a distinct part of the South’s segregated history, were used to lynch black people for simply being black?
The three students who placed the nooses should have received the strictest of punishments for their suggestion that black students be hanged for treading on white turf. By treating this situation lightly, the LaSalle Parish administration further divided the school and gave white students a certain amount of power over the black students by sending a message that manifestations of murder are acceptable.
Has this town really regressed to regarding hints of genocide with an air of insignificance?
More importantly, have they forgotten Columbine, Red Lake and Virginia Tech, where students followed through with death threats, the reasons for which were less than race?
If that’s the case, black and white will be the least of their problems.
Especially with all that red on their hands.
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