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[color:"gold"] Watching the game yesterday, it became obvious to me that Jeff Davidson is not the answer to the Browns offensive coordinator position.

Davidson has done a good job of stepping in and giving the team some continuity after Carthon left. He has worked hard and done as well as anyone could expect from a first time OC. It is difficult to criticize Davidson but if we are to ever field a winning team, we must assess every coaches performance.

Davidson is "not" a NFL caliber offensive coordinator.

In 2004, Davidson worked with offensive line coach Dante Scarnecchia to emphasize consistency along the offensive line as there were only three lineup changes all season. Davidson also assisted the tight ends in 2004, and helped the tight ends become a key ingredient in the Patriots offensive system.

Davidson originally joined the Patriots as the tight ends coach in 1997.

From 1998-2001, Davidson accepted the responsibilities as an assistant offensive line coach, returning his focus to a position he played professionally for four seasons before pursuing his coaching career.

Davidson began his NFL coaching career in 1995 with the New Orleans Saints as a volunteer assistant. He gained valuable coaching experience under the guidance of offensive line coach Jon Matsko on Jim Mora?s staff. In 1996, he was named offensive assistant, responsible for a multitude of functions, including the breakdown of game tapes, opponent scouting and self-scouting.

Davidson earned All-Big Ten honors as a senior and was a four-year letterman as an offensive lineman at Ohio State. He was drafted in the fifth round of the 1990 NFL draft by the Denver Broncos and moved into the starting lineup in just his second season. He started 16 games in 1991, including two playoff games, at left tackle. In 1992, he started every game at left guard. Davidson was released by the Broncos in 1993 and was signed by the New Orleans Saints as a free agent in 1994. He was on the active roster for the first seven games of the season, but suffered a shoulder injury that sidelined him for the remainder of the year and ultimately brought an end to his playing career.

All of Jeff Davidson's coaching and playing experience prior to the 2006 mid season, has been as an offensive lineman and offensive line coach/TE coach. No where could I find any experience where Jeff Davidson has been an offensive coordinator at any level of coaching.

Jeff Davidson is not an offensive coordinator but an offensive line coach at the NFL level. His play calling ability is lacking in many areas but mainly because Davidson's background and experience have not qualified him to be a NFL caliber offensive coordinator.

The Browns must fill their OC position this off season and return Davidson to the offensive line that needs his help. Again I stress the fact that there is no NFL salary cap on coaches so the Browns should attempt to find the best OC they can afford.

Below, you will find a brief history and the experience level of the Offensive Coordinators from the other teams in our division. This will show the Browns fans how we now measure up to our competition in our division.

Your opinions are welcomed...

Ravens OC, Brian Billick

Oct. 17, 2006, Jim Fassel was fired as offensive coordinator of the Baltimore Ravens, who rank 28th in total offense and have scored 16 points or fewer in half their games.

"Clearly, in order for us to expand on our 4-2 start, we have to have more offensive productivity," coach Brian Billick said. "It was my opinion going forward, in order to bring about the level of production that we need offensively, to get where we want to go, that I needed to step back in on a day-to-day basis."

Billick will assume the duties of offensive coordinator, which includes calling the plays on game days.

99-present...Head coach of the Ravens
1992-Vikings TE coach
93-98- Vikings offensive coordinator.-98 (with Minnesota): Vikings OC
1989-1991 (Stanford): Assistant under Dennis Green, coaching receivers and TEs
1986-1988 (Utah State): Spent 3 seasons as offensive coordinator
1981-85 (San Diego State): Coached receivers, TEs and QBs and was recruiting coordinator.
1979-80 (San Francisco 49ers): Assistant director of public relations.
1978 (Brigham Young): Graduate assistant who worked with TEs and offensive line.
1977 (University of the Redlands): Part-time assistant while also helping coach Redlands HS and working at a health club.

1977 (49ers and Dallas Cowboys): Drafted by the 49ers in the 11th round, was released and then signed the following offseason by the Cowboys, who waived him before the start of training camp.

COLLEGE, PERSONAL: Brian earned All-Western Athletic Conference honors and honorable mention All-America in 1976 as a TE at Brigham Young University...In 1976, he caught 20 passes for 338 yards and a TD...Brian played LB at Air Force as a freshman before transferring to BYU.
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Bengals OC, Bob Bratkowski

Bob Bratkowski is in his sixth season as Bengals offensive coordinator, Bratkowski has steadily built the Cincinnati offense since joining the Bengals in 2001.

2001-present: Offensive coordinator, Bengals.
1999-2000: AC, Pittsburgh Steelers
1995-98: Offensive coordinator, Seattle Seahawks.
1992-94: AC, Seattle Seahawks

1989-91: Offensive coordinator, Miami (Fla.)
1987-88: Offensive coordinator, Washington State
1986: Offensive coordinator, Wyoming
1981-85: Offensive coordinator, Weber State.
1978-80: Assistant coach (AC), Missouri
1975-77: Played wide receiver at Washington State
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Steelers OC, Ken Whisenhunt

Ken Whisenhunt enters his third season as the Steelers' offensive coordinator.
Promoted to his new position on Jan. 20, 2004, after serving the previous three years as the team's tight ends coach, Whisenhunt begins his 10th season as an NFL coach.

Whisenhunt, 44, joined the Steelers coaching staff as tight ends coach in January, 2001, when Mike Mularkey was promoted to offensive coordinator.

A graduate of Georgia Tech, Whisenhunt played nine seasons as a tight end/H-Back for the Atlanta Falcons (1985-88), Washington Redskins (1989-90) and New York Jets (1991-93).

2004-2006 Pittsburgh Steelers Offensive Coordinator
2001-2003 Pittsburgh Steelers Tight Ends
2000 New York Jets Tight Ends
1999 Cleveland Browns Special Teams
1997-1998 Baltimore Ravens Tight Ends
1995-1996 Vanderbilt University Special Teams, Tight Ends & H-backs






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So, Who's available next year? What's the prospects look like? Who do you want as OC?

There was a time when NO ONE had experience at any coaching position.
Sooner or later you have to give someone a chance, or there would be no coaches.

Davidson has shown some good things, and some bad things, and we are pretty sure he is still using Mo's book with maybe a few additions, subtractions and modifications.

I have seen some changes that indicate to me a change in the offense for the good, with some talent and an Oline that can protect, and time for Davidson to create and implement his own offensive scheme, he could be successful.

how successful is yet to be seen, but I'd be fine letting him hold the title through next year as we rebuild the line and try to bring it up to par.

I'm not sure what you intent was with the Fassell and Billick information, or the Bratkowski or wisenhunt info. It just like appears at the end. /shrug

well, I think we might want to see what he does with the system he wants instead of Mo's before we toss him aside.

that said if someone who is too good to pass up comes along, then so be it.

As well as your post is thought out so thoroughly, you neglected to mention the fact that it takes talented players to execute a game plan and successful play calling.

I agree with you that this team needs an Offensive Coordinator, but hiring the best qualified OC, doesn't necessary mean success. Look at the Al Saunder's debacle in Washington. In Kansas City, he had one of the best O-lines in the game with a RB that could change games. His QB was no slouch either. Move him to Washington and look what happens....

A good OC would be helpful, but until someone makes changes to where the real problems exist (IE... the Oline) nothing will change.

Very nice post ( a lot of work ) thanks .... I think Jr. and Savage will take a close look at the coaching situation as soon as the season ends ..I don't have a crystal ball .. No doubt Savage wants as few changes as possible . RAC ( and the rest of the staff ) havn't made it easy for him ! <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> ..... 0 and six in the division <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" /> ...

Jeff would look a whole lot smarter if We had a solid line, & a consistant running game.


I'm for bring Jeff back, he will have a off season to add his type of plays to the system, instead of working off of somebodies elses, that didnt work.

Maybe a couple of " Good hands " folks at WR ??? <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> ... I know I Will catch hell for this ; But I wish Savage would try and make a deal for BE .. Get a desent draft pick and send him packing ! <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> .. Be Bold Phil ! <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

You said this is Davidson's first job as an OC, which is correct. You'll notice, from the info you've provided, that Wisenhunt hadn't been an OC before being named the steelers OC either. Billick had only 3 years at Utah St. as an OC before being named an NFL OC. Only Bratkowski had extensive experience as an OC before being named one in the NFL.

Davidson is doing a commendable job with Carthon's offense. As was mentioned above, I'd like to see what his own offense looks like.

This is kind of like the QB threads. Get an offensive line and we'll be fine. The offensive coordinator can only do so much....he needs PLAYERS that can EXECUTE the play calls.

Hear, hear... <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

[color:"gold"] I thought it was understandable...

"Below, you will find a brief history and the experience level of the Offensive Coordinators from the other teams in our division. This will show the Browns fans how we now measure up to our competition in our division."

...Showing the level of expertise at the OC position our competition with the division have would show how far we are behind.

Just compare the level of experience and decide for yourself if our OC measures up.
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[color:"gold"]Whisenhunt played 9 NFL seasons as an H back/TE. Then from 95 to 2004 Whisenhunt coached TEs (except 99).

That addes up to...from 1985 to 2004, Whineset played or coached TEs/H back. I would think that ones experience prior to becoming OC does matter.

Davidson's experience is primarily with the offensive line. I'm not about to say that a offensive linemen can not be an offensive coordinator but it sure would have been nice if he had some prior experience before being named to our OC position.

Rather than defend each of our opponents OC, no doubt, all have more experience than Davidson has. Davidson's background is the offensive line. [/color]

Just a couple of comments:

- According to your line of thinking, the Steeler's Whisenhunt shouldn't be their coordinator either - he had no prior experience when he took the job.
- We're not the only NFL team who's offered Davidson an OC position.
- Davidson did have limited experience running the offense in New England - I believe it was in pre-season (for whatever that's worth)
- Successful coordinators generally don't get fired. We'd have to lure someone away from another team who's probably either an NFL position coach or college coach - neither of which is a guaranteed upgrade.
- Davidson isn't working with his own system, but with Mo's hand-me-downs. He's done well enough to get the chance to put in his own system, IMO.

I like New England's offensive system - especially w/ youngish QBs. Its simple enough for the offense to learn quickly and limit mistakes, while complex enough to keep most defenses off balance.

He did have some questionable calls against the Ravens.

[color:"gold"]The fact still remains, Davidson is the least qualified OC of all OC within our division.

Interesting that I see so many who think we should be much better this season than we are. Fact is, the Browns offense is being run by an on the job training OC...a first timer.

Give Davidson two more years OJT and the Browns might be ready to make a playoff run. About that time, Davidson will be ready to move on to a head coaching job and the Browns can go back to square one, looking for a OC. [/color]

I don't think anyone is disputing that fact, or even down-playing it. Ideally we'd all like a proven/successful coach at each and every position. Unfortunately, to get a coach from another team he either has to be fired or promoted. If he was an OC, why isn't he one now? Maybe a failed HC looking for an OC job? I'm not against considering what's out there, but I'm not willing to hang Davidson simply based on a lack of experience. He's done well for taking over mid-season, IMO.

Maybe I'm missing what your point is on this, mac. Any successful coordinator is a flight risk. That's just how the NFL works.

We need someone to establish a successful offensive system. If we have good assistant coaches that also understand the system(which they would in a year or two under Davidson) they would be primed to take over when appropriate w/ no basic system changes. It happens each and every year all across the league on both sides of the ball.

Don't get your hopes up. RAC is too timid to fire or demote any of his coaches. Remember MO?

[color:"orange"]I dont necessarily agree or disagree, but I'd like to hear some more reasons for demoting Davidson. Your post is very informative, but I get two reasons for why you want him back with the OL...

1. He's not experienced enough
2. He's made bad calls

Give me some more info on the plays you didnt like and when they were called. [/color]

I don't know, I think throwing long on two 3rd and 1s and one 3rd and 2 makes a good OC.

Instead of FB passes we had a TE that was going to attempt a pass.. I dunno if anyone picked up on that or not but Winslow got tackled for a loss before he could throw it...

to me... both OC's are the same..

I'm not 100% sure that was a designed play. If you remember, DA was getting hit as he threw it to Winslow. I think Winslow was maybe trying to fool the D so he could get some running room. In any case, he should have just thrown the ball out of bounds.

[color:"orange"]That wasnt a designed play. [/color]

J/C....The very first thing I would do if I were OC would be to eliminate the Full Back. The successful offenses (Indy comes to mind) run a single back set and utilize their weapons which is their WR's and RB who can catch very well. Let's face it, based on our roster, we are a throw first team. That is what we have. I would eliminate T.Smith and Vickers and utilize Steve Heiden as a H back.
My lineup would include Frye/Anderson, Droughns or Wright, Edwards, JJ, Winslow and Heiden. Winslow would mostly be lined up wide and utilize Heiden in a motion set.

But seriously guys, using a fullback is like playing 10 on 11. We need our best weapons on the field on all downs, and T Smith and Vickers sure as hell are not what I would consider weapons.

Raleigh

j/c

The guy was our OL coach and our OL sucks and has sucked. So we promote the guy for failing? I'm lost on this one. As a fill-in for Mo, fine we weren't going anywhere anyway but to not look to fill that position with someone else is this point is foolish.

and if the players would have executed them right, he would be a genius for calling them and keeping the ravens off balance. <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Keep this in mind before we start to run this guy out of Cleveland too, <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes_devil.gif" alt="" />

In every football game played every Saturday & Sunday there are always 2-3 questionable calls, why because they didnt work, and its easy to call them from our couch <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Do plays not work because of the play or the execution of the players, 99% of the time it's the players, right call, bad execution. <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

True, but executing a poor play call successfully doesn't make it a "good" play call. Throwing a 50 yard bomb for a TD on 4th and inches is still a bad call (imo) even though it may have worked.

I'm still on Davidson's side, but I hope once he gets the horses he needs on the OL he'll use them to get those 3rd and shorts.

[color:"GOLD"] How hard is it to copy what other successful teams do?

I agree, the FB position is a waste of our manpower and as of now, we are not a running team, therefore the FB does little but lead LBs to our RB.

Every successful NFL offense "copies" what is successfully. Some OCs do it with great success and some don't. [/color]

I'm going to defend Davidson w/the same argument that I used to defend Mo. Hopefully, that puts the away the nonsense of those who claim that I loved Mo. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Our OC is limited in what he can do. The fact is that we are below average in both talent and in experience at the key positions.

Here are our problems on offense:

1] The offensive line is not very good. They lack talent. I watch our formations [this is more evident live] and I see us having to run more double tight end sets than most teams. Why? Because we need help when pass protecting and even running the ball. We also use our RBs to help pass block more than most teams. This leads to less receivers actually running a pattern, which in turn, limits where our QB can throw the ball. Yeah, they might not give up a sack, but we are being severely limited in what plays we can run.

2] Our starting OL did not play one series together during preseason. That's a problem for a line who is already lacking talent. Cohesiveness amongst the OL is huge. They must work together.

3] We don't have a RB who can create on his own. Combine that w/an inadequate OL and you cannot effectively run the ball. This further limits what an OC can do.

4] Our best skill players......Frye/Anderson, Leon, and K2 are inexperienced. They do NOT make all the sight adjustments that they need to make, and they certainly all make them at the same time. One mistake by any of these guys will lead to a play failing.

Furthermore, it is well known that neither qb sees the field all that well and that both Leon and K2 don't know the playbook as well as they should. That's another problem. It has also been noted that Leon is a poor route runner and that causes big problems for the offense in general and the QB in particular.

These are very real problems that our OC must deal with. He cannot utilize the playbook in the manner he would prefer. His playcalling options are limited. He must protect weak links and not call plays that will confuse others. These limitations hinder his effectiveness.

I am not saying that either Mo or Davidson are great or even good offensive coordinators. I'm saying that it is too hard to judge them based on all the problems we have on offense.

I say that those probelms can be traced back to another person......but too few of you want to even think that he may be a problem. It is much easier to fire coaches on a continual basis than it is to address the real problems.

[color:"orange"]I am going to back Davidson even though some might class me as a Mo lover too <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Mac:
Execution: I have seen some execution of plays from Davidson which I haven't seen too much of here in Cleveland...I think this is a very important aspect of OC that all forget...all wish to envision themselves and some sort of smart football entity and they can call better plays.

We try to win the games. We face the best Defensive team in the NFL like the Ravens and we develop a game plan. We as a team under Davidsons decision devise that our best percentage of success in this game is to have them over commit the run and attack them in the air. This is done by evaluating what we bring to the game as talent in an area and what they bring to the game as talent...where could we succeed? So when you see us come in 3-4, 3rd n 1/2 situations and decide on passing was this cause of the slow witted mind of our OC as this situation came to pass...Do, da do do do da do...What is Pass? Or he came into the game with a plan to pass in these short yardage situations.

As Vers pointed out we have certain obvious variables surrounding the offense.

We chose to run 16 times not cause of each play by play situation the answer was...What is Pass? as the clock ticked - We knew we couldn't run it down their throats...Actually Davidson picked his spots wisely as the flow of the game had the Ravens changing their D...and he did run and succeeded. Primarily cause he got the Ravens to play the pass.

I can nitpick...I thought the trick play was better designed to be ran further away from the endzone than 24 yd line. But if you note that trick play also was WELL EXECUTED...Cribbs got the end around was able to get the throw off without pressure and BE had separation. I just thought the short verticle field limited how Cribbs could just throw the ball up and let BE run under it...to be a more precision throw and lets face it. Cribbs isn't here to make precision throws.

But overall I like our execution.

I love the look of our quick Time Offense where the passes and routes our ran under a strick 3 second clock. Its made our pocket look more polished. We even have been able to pick up the blitz (not all out blitzes). But this is something that we see a lot in NE and what Brady is famous for and obviously Davidson is instrumental in bringing it to us. CF looked great in it all be it one half. DA has looked good.

We scored 17 points against a top D with it.

We need to upgrade our talent on the OL.
We need to get a stud RB!

We don't need to change our System that is for sure.

Davidson has proven to be competant. I like Execution....now lets give him the Talent to execute.

JMHO

So basically what you?re saying here is that after only three years as a coordinator, Davidson will have elevated himself to a level justifying a head coaching candidacy?

Sounds to me like you?re describing a premier coach? <img src="/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif" alt="" />

[color:"GOLD"]If Savage and Crennel had decided after last season, that Mo Carthon would not be returning as the Browns OC, what would be the likelihood that they would select Davidson to be the Browns OC for the 2006 season?

Davidson, with absolutely no prior experience as an OC...

Davidson, just beginning his second year as the Browns offensive line coach...

Coaching Background:
1995 New Orleans Saints, volunteer assistant coach
1996 New Orleans Saints, offensive assistant coach
1997 New England Patriots, tight ends coach
1998-2001 New England Patriots, assistant offensive line coach
2002-04 New England Patriots, assistant offensive line coach/ tight ends coach
2005 Cleveland Browns, offensive line coach


Look at Davidson's experience above and tell me it qualifies him to be the Offensive Coordinator of any NFL team.

To go from "assistant" Oline coach, to the head Oline coach for 1 season, to Offensive Coordinator in charge of an NFL offense, all in approx. 2 yrs, is a little fast and a little light on experience at each stop, IMO.

Davidson, who was an offensive lineman in college and pros prior to starting as a volunteer assistant with the Saints in 1995

I firmly stand by what I have said. Based on what I have seen on the field and based on Davidson's prior experience, he can best help this football team by returning to coach the offensive line.

The Browns need to find the best, most qualified, most successful offensive coordinator available, once the season is over or before the season is over. The Browns need to go out and find the best, pay him as the best and relax and let an experienced OC do his job.

Looking at NFL teams with Head Coaches with a background from the defensive side of the ball...the successful teams have an experienced, well qualified Offensive Coordinator...teams such as the Colts, Bears, Bengals.

A couple of head coaches who came from the defensive side of the ball broadened their coaching ability by learning the offensive side of the game, Parcells and Belichick, and now are integral on both the offensive side of the ball as well as the defensive side. But few coaches have such ability.

Crennel is one of the head coaches who's expertise is on the defensive side of the ball and like the most successful teams in the NFL with such a coaching set up, he needs a very good offensive coordinator to handle the offensive side of the ball.

To me, a coaches experience, background and qualification do matter. The Browns have little doubt that our defense has great coaching with Crennel and Grantham both contributing. But the Browns weakest area on the team, the offense, also has the least experience at the OC coaching position.

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Sorry mac, I don't see any validity in getting a new OC when we are not stocked with the talent that we so desperately need. OC, imo, is no longer the problem, at least for the moment. He's done decent enough to warrant having a full season and his own O scheme. After next season we can evaluate him and make a well informed decision.

ok, so he called some bad plays.
There are bad plays called in every football game I've ever watched.

Our OL was not stellar under his lead.
But supposedly Mo set up some of the blocking assignments for the OL.

He doesn't have experience as an OC.
Well, he does now.

We're not Romeo or Savage. We don't see the work ethic or the whole package. If they decide to let him stay on then I'm anxious to see his system next year as opposed to his using Mo's.

The one thing I like is consistancy.So let's expand your line of thinking to all of our coaches.
Romeo has been around since Jesus was a pup,so I'd say he's qualified.
Grantham,
Coaching Background:
1990-91 Virginia Tech, defensive ends/inside linebackers coach
1992-93 Virginia Tech, defensive tackles coach
1994-95 Virginia Tech, defensive line coach
1996-97 Michigan State University, defensive line coach
1998 Michigan State University, assistant head coach/defensive line coach
1999-2001 Indianapolis Colts, defensive line coach
2002-04 Houston Texans, defensive line coach
2005 Cleveland Browns, defensive coordinator
Hmm,nothing in that history tells me he's qualified to be a DC,he's coached nothing but the d-line.But yet here he is,and you say he's doing a good job.Fact of the matter,resumes are like stats,they only tell half the story.And the reality is,none of us are qualified to be determining who is,or isn't a good coordinator.
The knuckleheads in charge may very well get a new OC this off-season,it's always easier to replace coaches,than players.Then it would be bye-bye Davidson,he'll not go back to o-line/asst.HC,can't really blame him.

Yeah, there is a good chance he will be replaced. Look for multiple changes in the coaching staff this year.

Just Clicking

Mac, if I follow your line of thinking and if every team followed your line of thinking, then at some point in the future, there would be no experienced OC's left in the league... I mean, we are all human and as such, we evenutally die,,, Ya know,,,

So somewhere along the line, a Rookie at being an OC has to be challenged or sooner or later, we will run out of them...

Now, if you just don't like davidson,,, do me and all of us a favor,,, just say that, don't just spout off a bunch of garbage that basically says, "if the guy isn't experienced, then he's instantly not good enough" I mean, really,,,Geez

As always, experience is something you get just after you needed it... or ...

the old catch-22 of "You need to have experience to get this job, but noone will hire you to get that experience without experience".

[color:"red"]"If Savage and Crennel had decided after last season, that Mo Carthon would not be returning as the Browns OC, what would be the likelihood that they would select Davidson to be the Browns OC for the 2006 season?"


[color:"orange"]Without a doubt Davidson would have been the front runner! Are you kidding me. We made him asst. Head Coach in that same time period cause another team wanted to wisk him away as their OC. No doubt the front runner and high pct. that the interviews would have stopped at HIM.

JMHO

[color:"gold"] Daman...what the hell is this crap above?

I love Davidson...but not as an offensive coordinator.

Davidson came to the Browns as an Oline coach and has coached the Oline for 1.5 seasons. Moved in the middle of the season to OC, something he had never been before, and you think he's a great OC.

I have laid out my argument on Davidson and if you can't debate the issues and would rather attack me because you believe I just don't like the guy...so be it.

Let's get it on and start the personal attacks...if you can't debate the issues!!

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Hi mac! It's your old buddy, Vers. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I know you weren't talking to me, but earlier I tried debating the issues. I noticed that you did not care to debate me on those issues. Perhaps you just missed them. Here they are again:


[color:"white"] Here are our problems on offense:

1] The offensive line is not very good. They lack talent. I watch our formations [this is more evident live] and I see us having to run more double tight end sets than most teams. Why? Because we need help when pass protecting and even running the ball. We also use our RBs to help pass block more than most teams. This leads to less receivers actually running a pattern, which in turn, limits where our QB can throw the ball. Yeah, they might not give up a sack, but we are being severely limited in what plays we can run.

2] Our starting OL did not play one series together during preseason. That's a problem for a line who is already lacking talent. Cohesiveness amongst the OL is huge. They must work together.

3] We don't have a RB who can create on his own. Combine that w/an inadequate OL and you cannot effectively run the ball. This further limits what an OC can do.

4] Our best skill players......Frye/Anderson, Leon, and K2 are inexperienced. They do NOT make all the sight adjustments that they need to make, and they certainly all make them at the same time. One mistake by any of these guys will lead to a play failing.

Furthermore, it is well known that neither qb sees the field all that well and that both Leon and K2 don't know the playbook as well as they should. That's another problem. It has also been noted that Leon is a poor route runner and that causes big problems for the offense in general and the QB in particular.

These are very real problems that our OC must deal with. He cannot utilize the playbook in the manner he would prefer. His playcalling options are limited. He must protect weak links and not call plays that will confuse others. These limitations hinder his effectiveness.

I am not saying that either Mo or Davidson are great or even good offensive coordinators. I'm saying that it is too hard to judge them based on all the problems we have on offense.
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Would you care to debate those issues? <img src="/images/graemlins/azzangel.gif" alt="" />