I really enjoy it when he says “inquisition”. Really gives off that holy crusade vibe.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
So all those mentioned knew what was going on. Knew that military aid was being held-up. Money approved by Congress to support Ukraine against Russian aggression. Where people were dying to defend their country.
No support until you Ukraine give us dirt on a political trump opponent.
"everybody was in the loop."
Talk about corruption. What is that beside corruption.
Straight from the Godfather. Give me this if you want that.
Amb. Sondland: Ukraine quid pro quo based on 'my own personal guess.'
Amb Sondland: I 'assumed' Giuliani was acting on Trump's behalf.
Amb Sondland confirmed he never heard directly from Trump on a quid pro quo linking military aid for Ukraine to politically advantageous investigations.
But Sondland said “we all understood” that a meeting at the White House for Ukraine’s president and a phone call with Trump would happen only if President Volodymyr Zelensky agreed to an investigation into the 2016 U.S. election and the Bidens. And he said he came to presume aid was linked to investigations too.
People directly in the know. State exactly the conditions of quid pro quo. And nothing matters?
Sondland who donated $1 mil and was appointed by trump.
Clearly states what transpired. And that is not enough?
Career diplomats not partisans state clearly what they heard. And none of that matters?
So you are right there with those who no matter what if trump shot someone in broad daylight at Times Square. It wouldn't matter.
There is no point in discussion because you will never accept facts. You will go straight to the talking points of people like hannity and others like him. The hypocrites.
Conjecture is an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.
Here is what a fact looks like...
Amb Sondland testified about a conversation with Trump where he asked the president what he wanted from Ukraine.
“And it was a very short, abrupt conversation,” the ambassador said. “He was not in a good mood. And he just said, ‘I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing.’ Something to that effect.”
Any court of law would throw out all conjecture and only allow facts. But of course, this is a sham court, a lie.
“And it was a very short, abrupt conversation,” the ambassador said. “He was not in a good mood. And he just said, ‘I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing.’ Something to that effect.”
I'll keep it simple. Context & timing is everything. Before Sondland said those words you quoted he detailed how for months the OPPOSITE was true and how there was an ABSOLUTE quid-pro-quo .... and his testimony is supported by and verified by others. The sentence you just quoted/regurgitated - because it was fed to you by Trump and you aren't able to think for yourself and rationalize - was made AFTER the whistle blower came forward and the chit was hitting the fan. It was probably right at the same time the WH layers had the actual transcript of "the call" moved to a secure and restricted location and we've only seen a dumbed down, propaganda modified version of the 'transcript'
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Conjecture is an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.
Here is what a fact looks like...
Amb Sondland testified about a conversation with Trump where he asked the president what he wanted from Ukraine.
“And it was a very short, abrupt conversation,” the ambassador said. “He was not in a good mood. And he just said, ‘I want nothing. I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky to do the right thing.’ Something to that effect.”
Any court of law would throw out all conjecture and only allow facts. But of course, this is a sham court, a lie.
Hardly. Any court with the evidence presented between this and the Mueller report would LOCK HIM UP!
Former Whitewater Independent Counsel Ken Starr said Wednesday that the testimony of Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland all but guarantees articles of impeachment will be drawn up by House Democrats, and laid out what he believed to be House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff's claim that he had enough proof for the House to impeach President Trump.
"Substantively, what we heard from the chairman just now, is, 'It's over. We now know' -- I mean, this is his position, 'We now know that the president, in fact, committed the crime of bribery, there's something of value.' That's litigable, but I think the articles of impeachment are being drawn up, if they haven't already been drawn up. ... This obviously has been one of those bombshell days," said Starr, predicting that the Democrats will now allege obstruction by the administration after Sondland testified that he was not allowed to access documents that could have aided his testimony.
"Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret," Sondland testified in his opening remarks, saying he believed there was a "potential quid pro quo" involving U.S. military aid to Ukraine and investigations desired by Trump – yet said he never heard that link from the president himself.
Starr said Sondland was "vehement" in his claim that he was denied "access to records to help him."
"We have now, a process crime, contempt of Congress, contempt of the House in the course of its impeachment," he said, adding Democrats will claim Sondland's testimony proves President Trump "committed the crime of bribery."
do you see nunes? he doesnt even look like a guy who believes what hes current saying right now. like a robot.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
A friend of mine, former employee, wrote last night on face book,, NO QUID PRO QUO... That's what he got out of it..
How the hell he got that, I don't know. Sundland said there was....
j/c
This thread is comedic gold. Usually the sequel isn't as funny as the original (Russia hoax), but this is great stuff.
The guy who started the whole farce can't testify after the circus ring-leader said he would, the guy whose country received the $$$ said there was no quid-pro-quo or pressure, and we have the actual transcripts of two phone calls that did not demand any quid pro quo. Not to mention the TDS suffering circus ring leader not allowing the opposition to call witnesses or ask questions they want answered.
But we do have a bunch of bureaucrats with hurt feelings telling us what they heard from someone else or what they think someone thought or assumed.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
A friend of mine, former employee, wrote last night on face book,, NO QUID PRO QUO... That's what he got out of it..
How the hell he got that, I don't know. Sundland said there was....
Sondland said there WAS in his opinion - in regards to a White House visit - but the guy whose country received the money said there was not...and the guy who ok'd the $$$ transfer/gift told Sondland he wanted no QPQ.
This is great stuff man.
Voting to impeach a POTUS based on hearsay, opinion and hurt feelings isn't funny tho.
WSU sounds like those nixon supporters back in the day.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
WSU sounds like those nixon supporters back in the day.
Nixon committed a crime that was easy to prove...so did Clinton.
First it was the tax returns...then the Russian hoax...now this farce of a proceeding where the facts are overridden by opinion and feelings. I wonder if everyone gets a trophy at the end.
this is pretty easy too. the issue is that republicans wont dare go against their dear leader.
replace the name trump with clinton, and every last one of us already know how you would be commenting right now.
so who cares that you want to go down with the ship. whats sad is that the actual captain of the boat will abandon ship, and leave you with the problem.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I wonder how many believe Russia is a friend of the USA...
Well...Trump gave Ukraine missiles to defend itself against Russia and Obama nuzzled up to Putin for wiggle-room when he could be more flexible once re-elected. I can see who Russia might consider to be a friend.
From here on out, every time a trump supporter starts pushing nonsense, just hit them with “what if Obama/hillary did it”.
Already hit WSU with it and he couldn’t respond.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Nobody can help you understand Willie. We're all out of alternative patience. The fog of lies and dictatorship you live in IS going extinct via facts. You don't recognize those facts, but like Nunes and GYM, you just want to deflect with lies based right wing conspiracy theories. It's like seeing somebody lost in a delusion thinking they are napoleon.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I wonder how many believe Russia is a friend of the USA...
Well...Trump gave Ukraine missiles to defend itself against Russia and Obama nuzzled up to Putin for wiggle-room when he could be more flexible once re-elected. I can see who Russia might consider to be a friend.
Facts...such a silly thing in this thread.
Only after Trump got caught, did he release the military aide...once Trump was outed by the whistle-blower.
If someone wants to tell me that they don't think Trump was running this whole thing and the funds were being withheld - that the insistence on a TV announcement of a Biden investigation wasn't from Trump and that Guiliani wasn't directing and requesting things at Trump's request .... It's simple - You are in denial. Someone trying to compare Obama to this Trump orchestrated mess ... similarly denial.
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