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starting a new thread cause the other is about to get locked for length.

and lets start it off with this!

Rep. Devin Nunes got help from indicted Giuliani associate Lev Parnas for 2018 Europe trip

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-devin-nunes-got-help-065132103.html

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) traveled to Europe with three aides from Nov. 30 to Dec. 3, 2018, on a $63,000 taxpayer-funded investigative trip, and Lev Parnas, an associate of Rudy Giuliani arrested last month on federal campaign finance and conspiracy charges, helped arrange meetings and calls for his trip, The Daily Beast reports, citing Parnas lawyer Ed MacMahaon and congressional records. Nunes aide Derek Harvey was involved in the Parnas meeting, and he accompanied Nunes to Europe along with fellow aides Scott Glabe and George Pappas.

At the time of the trip, Nunes was outgoing chairman of the House Intelligence Committee — he is now the committee's top Republican and lead voice in the public impeachment hearings. Nunes was visiting Europe as part of his investigation into the origins of former Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of Russia and President Trump's campaign. During the period Nunes was in Europe, Giuliani was in the middle of his ultimately successful campaign to oust U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Maria Yovanovitch, a plot Parnas and partner Igor Fruman were also involved in, according to the federal indictment.

Parnas "believed that what he was doing was furtherance of the president's and thus our national interests," said Joseph Bondy, a member of Parnas' legal team. "President Trump's recent and regrettable disavowal of Mr. Parnas has caused him to rethink his involvement and the true reasons for his having been recruited to participate in the President's activities. Mr. Parnas is prepared to testify completely and accurately about his involvement in the President and Rudy Giuliani's quid pro quo demands of Ukraine." Read more at The Daily Beast.

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oh nunes, poor nunes.


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I bet he didn't know them. Hardly at all.


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Notice how argumentative the last few repubs have been getting...not going well for them.

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Originally Posted By: mac
Notice how argumentative the last few repubs have been getting...not going well for them.


Add another raging repub...they are on a roll now...


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yea, they're spending their 5 minutes yelling at the witnesses, not actually asking questions.


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Schiff to Nunes & Hollmes, respectively:

"Mr. Jordan, your time has expired; Mr. Holmes, yours has not."


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Democrat coup... smfh.

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One adult in the room...the lady, Dr. Hill.


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Trump campaign selling 'Bull-Schiff' t-shirts as impeachment hearings roll on

rofl

Trump's poll numbers are rising too. Thanks Dems. thumbsup

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lol you love to pick and choose what polls you like and which ones you dont.

either they are the same polls that said hillary clinton would win, or cut it out.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Democrat coup... smfh.


rofl You need a king or dictator to have a coup. rofl


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I will ask again?

Knowing trump based upon his life.

Do you honestly believe that he didn't know exactly what he wanted?

And how to apply the pressure to get what he wanted?

Do you really think that there was no intent on his part to do exactly what actually took place.

Forget everything. Do you not believe that this fits directly into the trump world and how he has run his life?

Really?

Can you be honest?

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Trump campaign selling 'Bull-Schiff' t-shirts as impeachment hearings roll on

rofl

Trump's poll numbers are rising too. Thanks Dems. thumbsup


Thanks Dems!!!!!!!!... rofl

You all are like Wile E. Coyote, always losing in the end just as you thought you were going to win... rofl

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Is that Nunes or Gym Jordan?


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j/c

If only we could just read the phone call transcripts and ask the President of Ukraine how HE felt about the phone calls. When will we take HIS feelings into account?

My sides are hurting here. rofl

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Who the heck was it that labeled the act of withholding $391 million in Ukraine aid, in an exchange for an investigation into a Trump political rival, who called it  "a drug deal"?


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Bolton, who resigned or was fired within a day or so of the complaint being received by Congress.

He also called Rudy a hand grenade.


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Originally Posted By: WSU Willie
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If only we could just read the phone call transcripts and ask the President of Ukraine how HE felt about the phone calls. When will we take HIS feelings into account?

My sides are hurting here. rofl


It is a call summary not a transcript. Uncorrected discrepancies have been noted.

If someone is holding something that you want, are you going to inflame the situation when it is likely to make things worse?


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So, it looks like republicans are falling back on the ole “yea it was wrong but it’s not that bad” defense against impeaching the president.

Like I said, replace trump with Clinton, and we all know exactly what they would be saying.


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Replace Trump with, "Fire him or else" Biden and his bribed boy and we know what you and your media would say...

bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....................Nada.

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Ok

Trump: we need to fire that Ukrainian prosecutor, and the EU and all my advisers In the state department agree.

*Few days later*

Dems sign letter in support of Ukrainian reforms on corruption, echoing that of VP trump.

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So I just did that 40. What’s the problem?

Oh, that’s right:

Republicans Signed Letter Supporting The Ukraine Reforms Biden Was Pushing

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d960e2ee4b0da7f6622ccc5

And bbbbzzzzzzz.......nada from you


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https://news.yahoo.com/impeachment-hearings-useless-214732162.html

Just a dog and pony show, regardless of what some on here want to make it.

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Look at you, covering for abuse of power and bribery! tsktsk

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I disagree with the reporter from the national review.

It’s been eye opening.


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That’s the only rebuttal you have? Lololol sad.


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Fox News Anchor Bret Baier: Rather Than Question ‘Powerful’ Fiona Hill, GOP ‘Just Gave Speeches’

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-anchor-bret-baier-222419156.html

Bret better watch out for he starts getting called a never trumper by the cult.


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Satire from The Borowitz Report
Trump Accuses Vindman of Becoming a War Hero Just to Make Him Look Bad

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Moments after the decorated veteran testified to Congress on Tuesday, Donald Trump accused Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman of becoming a war hero “just to make me look bad.”

In a vicious broadside on Twitter, Trump claimed that Vindman carried out an “evil plan, years in the making” to “load himself up with medals” that would give his future testimony against Trump greater credibility.

“Fifteen years ago, he went to fight in Iraq, thinking to himself, ‘Boy, this is going to help me when I try to attack Trump someday,’ ” Trump tweeted. “This is how the Never Trumpers roll.”

When Vindman earned a Purple Heart, Trump wrote, “His scheme to attack me personally really started coming together.”

Trump contrasted Vindman, whom he called a “disgraceful showboat,” unfavorably with Representative Devin Nunes, whom he labelled “a great American.”

“Say what you will about Devin Nunes, he’ll never go and do something heroic,” Trump tweeted.

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Again no answer.

I was listening to one of the prosecutors from Watergate.

He made an interesting point. Nixon's acts were against people who he perceived as threats. The break in and taping were against people here in the US.

This is entirely different. Appropriated funds for an ally in a active war were subverted. Placing lives at risk. Influencing American political policy. All for political gain and personal interest.

Hiding from facts that have been corroborated by career diplomats is not going to change what took place.

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I believe our Constitution states it is the responsibility of the President to set foreign policy.

Giving billions of tax payer dollars to a corrupt government is not good policy.

Trump would be wise to hold that money back until he could be assured our dollars were not wasted.

Marching a bunch of butt hurt bureaucrats through the House, crying about their bosses policy changes, doesn't fly.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
I believe our Constitution states it is the responsibility of the President to set foreign policy.

Giving billions of tax payer dollars to a corrupt government is not good policy.

Trump would be wise to hold that money back until he could be assured our dollars were not wasted.

Marching a bunch of butt hurt bureaucrats through the House, crying about their bosses policy changes, doesn't fly.


Honestly - totally pathetic. Quit while your simply a long long way behind. The facts don't line up with the lies and deflection you are spinning and there are too many with their eyes open.


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I think the biggest issue is gonna be this:

The majority of American people don’t really understand the major importance of foreign policy, and are even less educated on specific issues, such as Ukraine.

And the specifics are boring. Facts are boring. A lot of people can’t point to crimea on a map, never mind Ukraine or hell, a lot of places. And with so much disinformation out there, it’s gonna be hard to convince people, especially trump supporters, of the narratives they and their republican leadership use are Russian propaganda rhetoric.

Most trump supporters still push this nonsense about Hillary Clinton killing a staffer, Seth reich, which was a Russian propaganda campaign. Look how many conservatives pushed that nonsense right here on this board.

We still got a good chunk of people who still think Obama is a foreign born Muslim. So good luck giving them real information.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Replace Trump with, "Fire him or else" Biden and his bribed boy and we know what you and your media would say...

bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....................Nada.


Is this how you justify what Trump has done? You are weak.

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
https://news.yahoo.com/impeachment-hearings-useless-214732162.html

Just a dog and pony show, regardless of what some on here want to make it.


Not even close always Trumper.

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Obviously you are uninformed regarding Russian aggression against Ukraine and their stated policy towards the US and our international interests.

You would do well to investigate and become informed in order to understand and make informed decisions accordingly.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
I believe our Constitution states it is the responsibility of the President to set foreign policy.

Giving billions of tax payer dollars to a corrupt government is not good policy.

Trump would be wise to hold that money back until he could be assured our dollars were not wasted.

Marching a bunch of butt hurt bureaucrats through the House, crying about their bosses policy changes, doesn't fly.


BLAAH BLAH BLAH... Trump got busted. Crimes have consequences. You just can't accept that your guy lost.

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Originally Posted By: bonefish

Obviously you are uninformed regarding Russian aggression against Ukraine and their stated policy towards the US and our international interests.

You would do well to investigate and become informed in order to understand and make informed decisions accordingly.


I am informed and I support Trump's policy of sending TOW anti tank weapons to Ukraine. They can wrap and carry them in Obama's blankets.

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Now, I find all this conjecture and innuendo to be a bit boring so why don't the Dems just impeach already, like they have planned to do since day one in 2016?
Then the Senate can have a real trial, call real witnesses like the whistle blower and Biden's kid, maybe even Biden himself, maybe Obama.

That would be real interesting! thumbsup

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