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AFter two games they are about opposite.
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If this continues we can expect a draft for defense next year... our Dline and LB FAs have yet to really make a big difference but I fell they will get results. The pass rush combo of WImbley and Peek don't have a sack and our DBs are paying the price.
Lewis has made the big difference in our offense along with our improved Oline. With more time Edwards and Winslow have time to make several moves and Anderson can look around for opportunities. It is hard to say exactly whether Lewis insipired the offense or they movtivated him but the improved teamwork has really been amazing. This is what a real offense does they come at you with a variety of strengths.
We could win with a strong offense but not be competitive against all teams. If we get a pass rush we could really turn things around...just like when we got Lewis and a better Dline would really help.
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You know I am not overly worried about it at this point. the Offense will drop places as we face stiffer Defenses(I mean where were we after week 1) And the D will improve as we face lesser Offenses. This team had faced 2 of some of the better offenses int he League in Pitt and Cincy. In some respects it shouldn't be that much of a suprise....the suprise thus far is the Offense...
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Well I'm surprised with our defense, especially when it comes to the pass rush.
Has Wimbley had a sack yet? Has Peek had a sack yet? Who has had a sack besides Mr. Robaire Smith? Its unacceptable IMO. They need to scheme a lot more, b/c running str8 up with the o-line just isn't working.
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I also think the defense will improve in rankings. Maybe not rushing YPG, but in pass and points given up.
I also feel that the offensive rankings will go down. You never know though. Im hoping Chud has a gameplan that can keep Defenses guessing all season long. Palmer, Arians, Carthon and Danials never had Defenses on their heels. Arians had a differant offense with a single back 2 TE set, but they were all predictable. The only time Carthon mixed it up was by making a bone headed call. They all had, or were supposed to have, a grind it out power running game.....wear defenses down. Chud was said to have a more attacking offense. In being completely optimistic, he might have an offensive mind like Mike Martz, with less razzle dazzle.
Anyways, if the ranking did stay the same, or even if the offense can move up rankings. The defense cant move down much farther. I wouldnt mind watching a shootout every week.
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There is not much that can be used as a measuring stick when you've only played two games and one of those games the stats were skewed by a QB throwing for 5 TDs and a RB rushing for over 200 yards....and the D giving up 45 points and a gazillion yards. This is not the norm.... 
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Given that we spent lots on O last season, it was almost a given that the next draft would be defense heavy.... Regardless of the record this season...
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Actually, it wouldn't surprise me to see us go RB with our first pick (IN THE SECOND ROUND THAT IS) and OG in the 3rd round. Dependent on what happens in FA, of course. However, I'll wait until um, oh, I dunno.....about 13 more games are played before I start getting draft antsy. 
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 Yeah, it is a bit early isn't it...LOL
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Actually, it wouldn't surprise me to see us go RB with our first pick (IN THE SECOND ROUND THAT IS) and OG in the 3rd round.
Dependent on what happens in FA, of course.
However, I'll wait until um, oh, I dunno.....about 13 more games are played before I start getting draft antsy.
Im also thinking that if the BPA in the 2nd round is a running back, they would almost have to take him.
You never know though, Lewis might be re-signed for 3 more years or they might go after Turner from San Diego. Turner might be the best RB FA or even better then any option in the draft.
Even when thinking about draft picks during the season, so much changes thru the course of Free Agency. Savages top priority might be to sign a replacement for old man Roye.
Its better to use FA to upgrade all the needed positions, not just target certain marqee players, so you can go into the draft and get the BPA. Butch was horrible at this. He would draft mainly based on team needs and not the BPA. Especailly in the early rounds.
I think Savage will have a hard time sitting thru the first round without targeting a player he feels can make a differance and try to trade up.
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you know what the one thought I had after I responded was,, what kinda RB are we gonna get in the 2nd round.. I mean, are we gonna get someone better than Jamal Lewis? I'd rather have Lewis for the next two or three years,,,, that would give us time to get the D squared away so we could get the franchise back in about 2 years...
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if Lewis strings together 5 or 6 more really solid games (no, not 200+ yd games... just really solid ones), then I'd say we should offer him a nice fat 4 year deal.
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Well yeah,,, one 200 yard game isn't enough to make that commitment, but that coupled with some number ofl 100+ yard games would be IMO,,,
It's like, today, you wouldn't trade Brady Quinn because Anderson had a career day...LOL
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Yeah, it is a bit early isn't it...LOL
It's never too early. Now is the time to start identifying our needs so that we can start scouting the potentially available college players. It's much more useful watching regular season college games than watching the combine.
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It's too early for US to worry about it, but I can see where our college scouts are hard at work...
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The best way to improve the defense is to cut Ted Washington. I feel bad for the guy, the play is often over before he gets out of his stance. Once again releasing Babatunda was a mistake that has haunted us for 2 games already and it will only get worse.
As for the Draft Shep is right RBs are usually the ones that drop out of the first and this is a heavy RB class. Odds are one may fall into our lap.
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Yeah, I'd love to give Lewis an extension if he continues to play like week 2. That way we can focus on our D-Line. Robaire Smith has looked strong, but Washington and Roye are beginning to become replaceable. They don't penetrate enough, and that's why you haven't seen many sacks. That and because we've faced good QBs. It isn't like we haven't put pressure on the ball either, we've just been a step too late........
Hopefully we'll have a better outting against the Raiders O
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Mour,,, I don't think they thought much of Babas effort,,, myself, I have no clue, I just didn't pay attention to him at all,,
But I have to believe, that no matter what you think of RAC or Savage overall, it's kinda hard to deny that they would know better than any of us whether a player is good enough or not... and it's obvious that they don't think much of Baba's ability...
I think the Bears picked him up and signed him to the Practice Squad,, I just checked and if thier website is up to date, he's still there on the PS for the Bears... They pulled Antonio Garay (another former browns pick) off of PS and put him on the 53 man roster,, making room for Baba..
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31st in points allowed
32nd in total yards
30th in passing yards
29th in rushing yards
now considering it was equally as bad last year, you may have placed to much value on some of their decision making skills.
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Only two games , but it is a very sad state of affairs ! .. Still not sold on Pool as a cover Safety , great in run support .. We have had almost zero pass rush " Again " ..
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this is rac's third year since he installed his 3-4 D i really expect to see more out of it
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No, I don't think I did at all,, I just think things happen in sequence.. and step one was to get the O squared away.. That's why I am hoping that Lewis is good to go for a couple more years so that we can spend draft picks on that Dline,,,
So no, I don't think they ignored it, and I don't think they are picking Washington over Baba for any reason other than they feel he is better than Baba..
You can disagree if you wish,,, I can't offer an argument because I didn't pay enough attention to Baba when he was here..
But if he were that good, wouldn't you think he could beat out other NT's in the league and be starting for someone.. instead, he's on Chicago's PS..
Seems to me that there are a few teams running the 3-4,,, and Baba isn't starting for anyone of them... so it's not just RAC and Savage.. It appears to be the entire league that doesn't feel he's good enough..
Again, I can't put up much of an argument,, I just didn't pay enough attention to the situation.. But,, 31 teams didn't want this kid... what's that say..
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Your not alone in that thinking.. plenty of folks have said it already,,
I just wonder,, will the light go on sometime during this season, or is he as good as he's gonna get?
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I don't care what the other teams think of him...I just like to say Babatunde. Sorry...I just had to say that.
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LOL I kinda liked it also,,,,
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The best way to improve the defense is to cut Ted Washington. I feel bad for the guy, the play is often over before he gets out of his stance. Once again releasing Babatunda was a mistake that has haunted us for 2 games already and it will only get worse.
Baba didn't have the size at all to play NT. He is way too small. He might've been suitable to play end, but at nose, it would've only taken 1 guy to block him. I would've liked to see him at end, so S.Smith could've stayed at nose to get the practice and reps
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really funny how he was probably about 330lbs this year. he really put in the effort to increase his size and strength. He looked bigger than Shawn Smith.
Daman it just irritates me that we continue to play ted and he gets dominated so horribly. I see tons of talent everywhere else on defense except for the single most important position on a 3-4 defense.
Also something i was thinking about is how much better our D was in RACs first year here. Was it because the D was a dummied down version and they are now being asked to do more but are slow to catch on? I know the talent is definately better now so its hard to put your finger on it but man the NT position is nonexistant on this team.
Honestly i would consider moving Roye to NT if Smith doesnt get better but ted would be gone.
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What about some of our recent draft picks? Are any of them suited for NT? Maybe not immediately but could they slide in there as the season goes along?
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Daman it just irritates me that we continue to play ted and he gets dominated so horribly.
Ted certainly isn't what he used to be,, But dominated horribly,, I don't know about. He's supposed to eat up Olinemen and I saw on more than one occasion in the Cinci game where he occupied more than one guy.. Isn't that what the big body up front is supposed to do?
Now, I can't honestly say he did it everytime.. he didn't. He got abused from time to time.
But to me, it appears that the FO and Coaching staff must have felt that Ted is better than Baba... or they'd of kept baba,, only makes sense. There isn't any reason that Baba would be cut for off field issues,, the kid is clean. Isn't any issues in terms of being a good teammate.. none that we've heard of anyway..
So the only reason he's not here has got to be performance.. I have to believe that given the age of TW, that if Baba had an ounce of ability, they'd have kept him..
Might they be wrong,,, You betcha,,, wouldn't be the first time  But were 32 teams wrong in the draft the year he came out.. at least until we took him late in that draft..
Or how about last season when we cut him and resigned him to our PS.. if anyone thought he was that good, wouldn't they have snapped him up?
Point is,, maybe the Browns are wrong about Baba.. but it doesn't sound like too many teams were clamoring for his services either..
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They'll level out. This is like those stats they show during the game in the first quarter, after one teams had 2 possessions with a long drive for a TD and the other teams only had one possession and the TOP of 12:36 to 1:16.... at that point, it's pretty meaningless. I'll be surprised if the offense ends up in the top half and I'll be surprised if the defense ends up below 20... I expect both to be in the "average" range by seasons end.
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AFter two games they are about opposite.
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If this continues we can expect a draft for defense next year...
.... If we get a pass rush we could really turn things around...just like when we got Lewis and a better Dline would really help.
You really think so? lol. This is an obvious thread.
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btw...where is Baba now and is he playing?
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Ted isnt starting today...interesting.
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I am hoping that Lewis is good to go for a couple more years so that we can spend draft picks on that Dline,,,
I agree that we need to keep Lewis...he can really inspire the Oline...who could we find that would be better? He has the speed, size and strength plus he has experience and can catch the ball.
Shep the trend continues and I feel we will have to learn to play pass defense. The problem is the run defense is just over matched many times and our LBs are trying too hard. From what I heard the offense put the defense in a hole many times.
The real way to win most games is just field position and we had a eal advntage with Zastridil and Cribbs.
Mistakes are a real problem and often show that a team is trying too hard and getting beaten and has to try to get an advantage by jumping the count. When the defense loses confidence they are likley to make mistakes. The offense should be very confident and are just to anxious to make plays. Crennel had us cured of mistakes with the lowest penalty rate i the NFL but we are back to making mistakes.
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I see tons of talent everywhere else on defense except for the single most important position on a 3-4 defense.
The Dline is not helping much ...tons would be an exaggeration. We have Jones and WImbley and maybe Peek and McGinest will play on our front seven. Is Jackson a talent or Davis? Roye has shown some insipred plays but he would just be another DE for most teams. Frazer is OK but nothing special. WIth the 3-4 we need many talented LBs that can rush and a fast safety that can help. Pitt seems to make this work.
I can't believe that Crennel couldn't find another FA LB to help us. Was Briggs an option? We really needed just two more active smart LBs that can get to the QB or stop the run. A strong center would help to keep the QB from stepping up but we will have to wait until draft time.
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Daman it just irritates me that we continue to play ted and he gets dominated so horribly. I see tons of talent everywhere else on defense except for the single most important position on a 3-4 defense.
As I have said inother threads, we are sometimes not playing a 34...we are not lining up our OLB's over the tackles making THEM ACCOUNT for extra bodies..
Ted should be benched for goal line schemes..I would put Shaun Smith in ..
U mentioned Baba but I doubt if he was going to be the plug in the hole we needed..he got shoved back too easily IMO..
There were other NT's we coulda brought in..
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As I have said inother threads, we are sometimes not playing a 34...we are not lining up our OLB's over the tackles making THEM ACCOUNT for extra bodies..
I noticed this a lot in preseason but haven't paid much attention this year so far. If I get time I might go back and check how many times we actually line up in the 3-4. I have noticed Fraiser a lot, and what I have seen in the past that usually means we are lined up in some sort of a 4-3.
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When it happens we go to a 4-2-5..and it does NOTHING..
What we need to do is vary the scheme a bit..
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I THINK THIS is what we run... and it's too conventional...the Offense expects to see Wimbley on the outside on the strong side so there's NO CONFUSION where he's going to be..
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notice the NT is up over center not inside the gap.
Maybe we could run this..It's called an odd front because the C is covered. The iffy thing about this is putting an OLB down over the strong side tackle, but remember this is on passing downs and you are trying to generate a pass rush. BTW, Willie McGinest would be ideal for this role.
U can put another T in there or use another backer if need be..
You can run dozens of different zone blitz looks from this front, and still be sound everywhere else
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What we need to do is vary the scheme a bit
We have to get our LBs to run between the tackles and stop the RB before he has a chance to make plays. We are getting maybe a stalemate with the other Oline but good teams are able to stop the push and make plays with their LBs. We end up with our LBs getting covered by the T/G pushing our DT back and the RB can take his choice of outside or inside. When our safety comes up they throw...Poole was cought many times cheating the run.
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