DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Kitchen's not worried about job security.

I don't see much of a chance we release him.

There’s no way he gets fired unless there’s a total meltdown down the stretch ... nor should he be ... thats just FRUSTRATED FAN speak .... and for once i don’t blame the dolts for wanting to see heads roll ... its way pre-mature but i understand the frustration .... expectations were high as they should have been .... the talent was there ....

Not sure i could have been more wrong about Freddie ... he’s been way worse than i could have ever imagined ... the list is long ..

- worse than Hue when it come to clock management ... he’s done some incredibly stupid things ...

- hard headed and outthinking himself .... empty backfields inside the 10 MULTIPLE TIMES ... i get trying it ... but he kept doing it eveN after it was clear it wasn’t going to work ... many many more play calling bafoonery ...

That ones shocking ... he’s smarter than that ... at least i thought he was ....

- adjustments ... we move the ball on the first drive almost every game ... sometimes we move it for 2 or 3 series ... then we go into the tank and hardly move the ball after that ....

Everything has gotten better over the last 3 or 4 weeks ... how much of that is Freddie learning vs how much of that is due to the talent were facing ... who knows .... he’s clearly improving ....

He does get a bad rap on the discipline and penalties ... thats not on him .... he adressed it in TC ...

Freddie deserves 3 years just like everyone else ... the thief doesn’t agree with that concept .. *L* ....

Unless Freddie loses the locker room he’s not going anywhere after this year ...

He still may be fast enough to corner if he gets a good play fake out of a back that needs respected. Not the best play call, and what you say strikes me as correct, but not totally out of the question. It would be something a defense would need to be aware of just to complicate their processing, even if it doesn't work well.

Favorable end of the year schedule was a blessing for Freddie.

As others have said, Freddie should be safe unless he just completely messes these last few games up. With the team gaining momentum and chemistry, I don't think Freddie can mess this up even if he tried.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2819...h-started-shirt

There's always this...lol

I actually don't mind him wearing the shirt. Steelers have been so disrespectful over the years, it's about time we start walking with confidence, not afraid to speak our minds. It would mean more to me if Freddie didn't apologize to Tomlin the night of the incident tho. But o well.

This game is truly a must win...

He just beat Pittsburgh and Baltimore in the same year and people want him fired. I don't get it.

Agreed. We have to keep him simply because things have looked better the last few games. He's learning and along with the players coming together it's a positive sign. If Freddie can go at least 3-2 the rest of the season he should be safe.

Finish strong and he will be fine. .50 improvement or 8-8 isn't strong, however. So I am thinking he needs to go at least 9-7. Wins in the division def help, but a wildcard will be the clincher. Go 10-6 and he will for sure have job security.

As long as he doesn't do stupid things like running Hilliard on 3rd and goal or that stupid forward lop pass to the WR/RB in motion that has thus far NEVER worked. We should be ok.

I give him 3 more years just because he wore that shirt. That dude gets it. He’s one of us

Based on his coaching and play calling in the first 6 games of the season - anyone deeply concerned about Freddie was absolutely right to be so. I still am. He's shown a modicum of improvement - penalties have been better but he has still made wrong calls during games and shown pee poor time management. At multiple times in the season when it was crunch time and HC needed to step up he looked totally lost - a proverbial deer in the headlights. Whether it was challenging plays because of emotional players or running hurry up offense with a lead....

I hope he makes it. But he has to get better. Wearing a Tee shirt isn't going to make me like him better one way or the other.

I agree with this take in part. He has improved and certainly has upside. I respect he has a learning curve as well. His improvement overall against himself personally is evident, mostly these last few games. His HC against his peers leaves him short. I want the sideline game to be stronger. Not for firing, but get a fire under his hoop to finish hard. See what he has for Steelers. Might hand over some calls in the RZ.

Yea let’s keep Freddie so we can play like this again next year. I don’t think so they need to get him out of here now. He’s not a Head Coach period!!

if he wasnt worried, he should be.

Yeah, with the talent on this team there is no way they should be below .500.

He hit his lottery. He can go now. He is NOT an NFL head coach. Even the most casual viewer can see this. Bad move by Dorsey. He will fix it this off season.

Feel sorry for BM's play today. We just looked lost. Offense looked worse than it should have. Defense and tackling are not priorities. We made the Stoolies look great today.

I thought we looked confused and indifferent today. Play for more tackle and less strip. We were insipid and BM made it worse than it was IMO.

Time for a backup?

My big issue is that we were running all over them, then all of a sudden we get pass happy.

This sadly seems to be Freddie's perchance.

agreed

we got pass happy because we were down 10 pts in the 2nd half with the stillers controlling time of possesion

Exactly what did he do today to deserve to get fired for? ...

I’d appreciate some specifics as opposed to the menZas brilliant take of he sucks ...

No one had higher expectations than me before the season for both the team and Freddie ... I’m as disappointed as anyone ... Freddie has done some dumb butt crap but i see zero reason to fire him other than a bunch of frustrated dolts ,,,

So please help me out here ... what did Freddie do today to deserve to get fired? ...

ill give you one:

being tied going into the half, he called 6 rushing plays...the entire 2nd half.

6.

and i went to look just to make sure im not tripping.

FIVE of those 6 rushing plays came in the 3rd quarter.

Unreal

How many total plays did we run in the 2nd half? ...

1 in the 4th quarter .... thats not enough but when we got down 10 in the 4th we had to pass more ....

And that one thing gets him fired? ... thats kinda harsh .... no? ...

Any chance u could come up with two more ... and at least one of them needs to be a fireable offense ...

its an accumulative thing. its not just this game but how the entire season went.

we ran 26 plays in the 2nd half.

He's lost to a third string QB twice when his "franchise QB" and complete set of weapons has been healthy.

j/c;

Thanks for the info ...

U guys are putting way to much on Freddie ... hes been horrible at times but no way does he deserve to be fired ... not a shot in hell ...

It's not all Freddie, but he's definitely part of the problem.

The question is how big of a part is he, can he get better, and are you willing to roll the dice that he does?

One huge consideration is either Baker isn't very good or he's regressed under Kitchens. If you believe he's regressed and are still committed to him as your QB do you want Freddie coaching him?

I think some serious discussions and considerations will be on the table at season's end. I think it's likely Freddie gets another season, but if Baker still hasn't taken the next step you've now wasted three of his rookie contract years and don't have any idea if he's the guy. And you also may be looking for a new coach.

This is stuff the team doesn't need.

When they lose 3 of the next 4 then he’ll be gone.

I don't want him fired, yet anyway. He's got to stop with the Junior Samples moments. I really think he's in over his head calling plays and (mis)managing the games. His team folded on him today.

I would like a new coach. An experienced clever one.

One who can hang with the top coaches in the league.

And experienced OC/DC to pair with him.

Because thats what its going to take to get into the playoffs and win.

How many years of "on the job training" will FK need before he can outcoach BB.

HMMMMMMMM.

What have we learned this year?

That you can have all the talent in the world and it means nothing without smart brains running the show.

I get that our team is not complete.

Our lines need help.

But these losses to average teams is not a good look for the current coaching staff.

Haha thats pretty much it