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It's boofers failed image post that's screwing up the thread ... and now your quoting of it. Fixed. I'm half drunk and I'm pizzed off. That is all.
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Wilks can't gameplan properly week to week. Some weeks, he looks great then this week, he can't prepare against a never drafted guy in Duck Dodges.... Even play to play. We ran a couple corner blitzes early on and got a sack and a pressure, then never saw it again. I'm not sure we even blitzed again. We should be blitzing young QBs on 3rd and long almost every time until they beat it.
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and Freddy WHY was Randall not playing? Because he skipped practice to have Thanksgiving dinner with his family. That's not what lost us this game. Fact is, we're not ready. The OBJ trade turned out to be detrimental, not helpful. Trading Avery turns out to be a mistake. There are several issues we can point fingers to, but benching Randall is not one of them. We need O-line, an experienced offensive Coord, we need blitzing on third & long. We need a third Linebacker in at all times. We need team chemistry. And so on and so forth. We're just not there yet. He was a Huge part of it they picked on our rookie safety all day long ...
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Chubb had 6 carries in the second half. Hunt had ZERO. Keep Freddie Kitchens? Are you are out of your freaking mind? GTHOOH
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and Freddy WHY was Randall not playing? Because he skipped practice to have Thanksgiving dinner with his family. That's not what lost us this game. Fact is, we're not ready. The OBJ trade turned out to be detrimental, not helpful. Trading Avery turns out to be a mistake. There are several issues we can point fingers to, but benching Randall is not one of them. We need O-line, an experienced offensive Coord, we need blitzing on third & long. We need a third Linebacker in at all times. We need team chemistry. And so on and so forth. We're just not there yet. He was a Huge part of it they picked on our rookie safety all day long ... He needed to be benched. Even though they picked on Redwine, that's not what cost us this game. You can't point to a single issue unless it's "They wanted it more".
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Yeah, we whooped them earlier, but that felt like a loss because of what we lost during the brawl.
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Freddie with the obligatory "We're gonna keep trying to go 1-0 each week."
This guy is a GENIUS I'll tell ya. LOL
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Chubb had 6 carries in the second half. Hunt had ZERO. Keep Freddie Kitchens? Are you are out of your freaking mind? GTHOOH I'd keep Freddie IF they hire an experience OC to call the plays.
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Fredrick crapped this game away when he didn’t try to put together a drive after the INT. More evidence to make Kitchens a one and done coach. He lost me when there were 20 seconds left in the half and he had our back up QB throw a short pass on their side of the field. Was he trying to give them a pick 6?
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Actually i think obj ran wrong route on last play went in not out.. Landry. But yes. You don't turn into the coverage. It wasn't an errant throw, Baker threw it to where Landry should have been. Baker was accurate all game even with a dinged hand. Don't listen to the false narrative that he was inaccurate. I blame coaching mostly. And the GM. We were in position to win this year and we went with Hubbard at RT? Come on John, you're better than this.
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and Freddy WHY was Randall not playing? Because he skipped practice to have Thanksgiving dinner with his family. That's not what lost us this game. Fact is, we're not ready. The OBJ trade turned out to be detrimental, not helpful. Trading Avery turns out to be a mistake. There are several issues we can point fingers to, but benching Randall is not one of them. We need O-line, an experienced offensive Coord, we need blitzing on third & long. We need a third Linebacker in at all times. We need team chemistry. And so on and so forth. We're just not there yet. He was a Huge part of it they picked on our rookie safety all day long ... He needed to be benched. Even though they picked on Redwine, that's not what cost us this game. You can't point to a single issue unless it's "They wanted it more". So he is starting his discipline now after not having all season???
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[quote=The Beast]Chubb had 6 carries in the second half. Hunt had ZERO. Keep Freddie Kitchens? Are you are out of your freaking mind? GTHOOH we have one..
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What would our record be if we had hired Mike McCarthy? I think maybe 8-4.
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and Freddy WHY was Randall not playing? Because he skipped practice to have Thanksgiving dinner with his family. That's not what lost us this game. Fact is, we're not ready. The OBJ trade turned out to be detrimental, not helpful. Trading Avery turns out to be a mistake. There are several issues we can point fingers to, but benching Randall is not one of them. We need O-line, an experienced offensive Coord, we need blitzing on third & long. We need a third Linebacker in at all times. We need team chemistry. And so on and so forth. We're just not there yet. He was a Huge part of it they picked on our rookie safety all day long ... He needed to be benched. Even though they picked on Redwine, that's not what cost us this game. You can't point to a single issue unless it's "They wanted it more". So he is starting his discipline now after not having all season??? 1) You're changing topic. 2) I'd say that is an exaggerated generalization. 3) I get you don't like Freddie, that's your choice.
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What would our record be if we had hired Mike McCarthy? I think maybe 8-4. If we had any HC with the experience we would have 3-4 more wins than we do now.
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What would our record be if we had hired Mike McCarthy? I think maybe 8-4. 9-3.
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[quote=The Beast]Chubb had 6 carries in the second half. Hunt had ZERO. Keep Freddie Kitchens? Are you are out of your freaking mind? GTHOOH we have one.. Huh?
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John Dorsey Go get us an OL and a competent HC ... Thank You
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What would our record be if we had hired Mike McCarthy? I think maybe 8-4. Hilarious. No one on this board wanted McCarthy when he was being discussed as an option. Too vanilla. Didn't work well with Rodgers. Over-rated. So on and so forth.
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This team is capable of beating anyone and losing to anyone ...
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John Dorsey Go get us an OL and a competent HC ... Thank You +1
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What would our record be if we had hired Mike McCarthy? I think maybe 8-4. Hilarious. No one on this board wanted McCarthy when he was being discussed as an option. Too vanilla. Didn't work well with Rodgers. Over-rated. So on and so forth. I wanted Williams lol
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I think John Dorsey has done a lot of things right, but I have to say that he has left the cupboard bare in terms of the offensive line. We are woefully weak at 3 of the 5 O-line positions. Its hindsight now, but the trade of Zeitler looks like a mistake. It was made with the thought that Austin Corbett was the answer at RG, which he obviously was not. Ditto the signings of Chris Hubbard and Greg Robinson at RT and LT. It makes me wonder if O-Line is his "blind spot" in terms of talent evaluation, but then again, he DID sign Mitchell Schwartz while in KC, so maybe that's not fair. All I know is that nothing will ever get better here unless and until Dorsey addresses our O-Line early and often in the next draft / free agency period. Exciting WRs and RBs are great, but the good teams in this league control the LOS on offense and defense.
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This team is capable of beating anyone and losing to anyone ... No, that's not true. We can't beat SF. Doubtful we can beat New England. Or the Ravens at this point. We don't have the talent, coaching, or experience yet to beat good teams.
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The Browns deserve the record we have.
There are no excuses for losing to 3rd string starters in the Denver game and again this week.
The Steelers were missing their starting center, top receiver, and running back.
I have no idea what kind of defensive game Wilks was calling?
He didn't bring pressure in clear passing downs.
Let a Duck win a critical game.
Rivalry? What rivalry? We have only proven we can lose to the Steelers when it counts.
Season over.
What I thought was going to be a fans year has turned into total crap.
Disgusted. Not even interested in the rest of the season.
All this talent and can not even have a winning season. We have no chance of beating the Ravens. I will be surprised if we beat the Cardinals.
Pure case of a team who found a way to beat a team with more talent.
This game should have been easy. Out coached out played.
Sometimes I wonder why I put so much into the Browns?
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[quote=The Beast]Chubb had 6 carries in the second half. Hunt had ZERO. Keep Freddie Kitchens? Are you are out of your freaking mind? GTHOOH we have one.. Huh? that was supposed to be a reply to you about having a competent OC that can play call. we have one
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What would our record be if we had hired Mike McCarthy? I think maybe 8-4. Hilarious. No one on this board wanted McCarthy when he was being discussed as an option. Too vanilla. Didn't work well with Rodgers. Over-rated. So on and so forth. I wanted Williams lol I wanted McCarthy. 
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[quote=The Beast]Chubb had 6 carries in the second half. Hunt had ZERO. Keep Freddie Kitchens? Are you are out of your freaking mind? GTHOOH we have one.. Huh? He's not calling plays though. So... SMH. that was supposed to be a reply to you about having a competent OC that can play call. we have one He's not calling plays though. So... smh.
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There are no excuses for losing to 3rd string starters in the Denver game and again this week.
I have no idea what kind of defensive game Wilks was calling?
He didn't bring pressure in clear passing downs.
This right here pisses me off more than anything.
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[quote=The Beast]Chubb had 6 carries in the second half. Hunt had ZERO. Keep Freddie Kitchens? Are you are out of your freaking mind? GTHOOH we have one.. Huh? He's not calling plays though. So... SMH. that was supposed to be a reply to you about having a competent OC that can play call. we have one He's not calling plays though. So... smh. That's more of a function of a prideful, inexperienced HC.
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Hey Caldawg, I am not saying I was all in for McCarthy. I am asking in retrospect how we would be doing with an experienced pro. I am a fan, not the Browns GM. I get to change my mind, be inconsistent and complain when the team sucks. Sorry dude.
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We do not have a competent OC. We do not have a competent DC. We do not have the required talent at OT (at a minimum). We do not have a leader who can instill discipline in young men. Dorsey better be sharpening his pencil about now. Lots of holes to fill and another offseason of learning a new system. Maybe 2021? SMH
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And no, the Browns aren't winning out. I'll take all bets on that right now.
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Not saying it's not, just I would keep Freddie with an experienced OC calling the plays.
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Hey Caldawg, I am not saying I was all in for McCarthy. I am asking in retrospect how we would be doing with an experienced pro. I am a fan, not the Browns GM. I get to change my mind, be inconsistent and complain when the team sucks. Sorry dude. Wasn't an indictment, merely point out the irony. You do you.
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But we all still had fun today, didn't we?
Seriously though, at the very least we did win one this season against them, but this game sucked. I don't remember a more BORING game to watch in my entire life.
Myles Garrett wasn't out there, so many players aren't there, The Two minute offense can't even try a Quick Out, or Deep Out passing route at the end of the game,
I was bored in the beginning I was bored in the 2nd quarter it was boring to start out after halftime, bored to end the third quarter and the 4th quarter provided no excitement either, I don't even remember anything that happened except some players got injured.
It doesn't feel like anybody's trying, I don't understand how it's not clearly visible that Mitchell should never be watching Greedy play until the latter learns how to play meaningful snaps. I don't think the offensive line did anything, But! I don't think Pittsburgh did anything either, it was just so freaking BORING! and it dragged on, like reading this post, when will it end.
I nev, in 25, in 40 years I have never felt more like being completely done with the entire NFL forever, as much, (even near as much) as I feel after today, after watching that
And the Replay of the downing of the ball on the one, it's like I DON'T EVEN CARE WHICH WAY THE CALL GOES, it's not going to matter, and everybody knows it.
and Stiller fans, wearing Duck suits??? He ain't a good guy, he ain't an exciting player to watch, my gosh, This game, .. maybe somebody can re watch it, on download or something and get my point, I don't remember one NFL quality play from either team, at all, that stood out, I'm just like, why? why do we have to watch this stuff.
It seems like every year, "Browns Pittsburgh! Browns Pittsburgh! "gotta be on TV!, it's "super", and they just, they all go the same way, they all stink to watch, it's boring, you know the outcome, and it feels to me like it's like WHY! Why are we wasting everybody's time. I don't even think, there're any NFL games I want to watch. And What's going to make me want to watch one in the future? So I can Watch the first two years of a players career who will be suspended for the next 14 years, or I'll get to see him win Super Bowls in a Patriots, or Saints, or Steelers, Titans, or Chargers, or just about any other teams uniform after he originally started his career with the Browns. In 2006 this "stuff" was old! In 30 days it'll be 2020. SAD!  Oh, Post game thought... I came to say, I'm starting to feel like Kitchens' teams' upsides' are just about Equal to are reminding me a bunch of Romeo Crennels' teams' upsides' .
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Team loss. Bad defense, weak offense, and STs was letting big returns all game. Randall missing hurt more than some will admit.
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I did talk smack to a Steelers fan at the bar today.
I never talk talk smack to anybody. Normally its the other way around.
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Not saying it's not, just I would keep Freddie with an experienced OC calling the plays. I have zero confidence in Freddie to manage the game nor do I believe he can be an effective leader. He is overly emotional when situations call for him to remain calm. There isn't much discipline either. That is on the head coach. The Browns need a change.
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