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Lincoln Riley rumors to Cowboys, but I wonder if we could coax him here and pair him with a good DC

Yet with all Freddie's years of NFL experience he never called plays until last year when the change was made and there is some question as to whose plays were being used then. You have to put your players in a position to succeed and he does not do that.

j/c...

- The Browns just lost to a 3rd string QB missing his starting C, RB and top WR. Pathetic.

- The Browns OL was horrendous. This is priority in the offseason.

- Seibert had a nice punt.

- Absolutely miserable effort on defense.

- Game seemed to end after the final two minutes of the first half. Unraveled.

- Browns continue to shrink when it matters most.

- Red zone inefficiency was back.

- Kareem Hunt had zero carries in the second half. Inexcusable.

- We finally played a meaningful game in December and blew it. Now there are no more meaningful games the rest of season.

- Season is over. As is the usual theme......maybe next year.

if we cant get him, we need to pay whatever Urban Meyer wants

I seriously doubt he goes anywhere.

yeah I’m not an insider, just thinking out loud

Why would he? Top college jobs are far superior to NFL jobs.

One last thought. I never played DB, but I've always heard that you're supposed to "play the ball, not the man", which is pretty much what our DB's never do ... ever. Turn your head around man!

This is Ward's second year. It takes a few years (more than 2) before a CB starts to become decent.

Not ever having called a game as a OC - I doubt I would do better. But that isn't the point is it. The point is that our HC and OC - Freddie Kitchens - is the coach and is calling the plays and he is doing a woeful job of it. He and the team have had spells against teams and looked good. But then like today and the second half against the Seahawks as just two of MANY examples, he self implodes and does a terrible job ..... if you think 6 running plays in the entire second half is doing a good job of setting up your offense to be able to execute and have success then I disagree. Vehemently.

As for the comment about players need to execute - man that sure does remind me of a Hue-ism. Hue called a great game EVERY game didn't you know that? It was the player's who failed to execute .... Of course the other philosophy is that it's up to the Coach to call and design plays that his roster can execute and perform consistently. Maybe if Freddie is calling brilliant play after brilliant play and the players aren't executing .... maybe there is a clue there? This is the most talented team, even with injuries, we have ever had (since the return) and it's mind boggling that you apparently think the plays are brilliant. And if they aren't brilliant - are they good? Are they average? Calling passing plays virtually on every play of the second have and many that call for routes in excess of 12-15 yards when Pits D is finding a second gear and in Baler's face all day is not what I would call Brilliant, or good or even average. jmo

Well, currently they sit "in the hunt" for the WC and we don't. So....say what you will, but they are above us and we lost to them and their JV team.

Pittsburgh certainly is a playoff team ... maybe not on paper, but with their culture, expectations, results, etc.

We’re the exact opposite

We were in a spot to really give ourselves a chance for a wild card against probably the worst Steelers team at least in terms of skill players on the field that I can remember and we totally laid an egg.

Would the Browns match or exceed his $6,000,000+ salary at Oklahoma? Although if he ever went pro I'd rather see him at Cleveland than under obnoxious Jerruh Jones.

But seriously, the Browns need someone who understands the system Baker came out of, and tweak it to best utilize the personnel on the team. Even Freddie admitted talking to Riley at some point last year. However I don't have a clue who it would be other than Riley, and with the recruiting juggernaut going on at OU presently, there's No way he's leaving. I'll be glad when Jalen Hurts moves on, and Spencer Rattler takes over...it's going to be epic.

Thanks for that ... i *LMAO* ,....

We really missed him today ....

Play calling was an issue today ... ....

I’d say a very good D and us starting a waiver wire dude at LT had way more to do with it than Freddie’s play calling ...

Not running the ball one time with a 1st and 10 at the Steelers 30 with 7 minutes left in the game is inexcusable. I'm sorry, that is botched play calling. Especially when your offensive line is struggling in pass protection.

This was my biggest gripe as well ... that was a bad series of events

Freddie in his pressure ...
"we have to be able to run the ball"

Kinda hard to do, when you don't call run plays

At least we got to play 1 meaningful game in December.

It's not bad play calling. It's because of the Steelers really good D and our waiver wire LT. Because that's what you do against two solid edge rushers with OTs that can't start for a college team. You THROW the ball 3 plays in a row. Even after you have gashed them in the running game. That is pure GENIUS. Didn't you know? I will bet that if Freddie is let go just about EVERY team will be after his offensive play calling prowess. I mean, how could anyone pass? LMAO

Agreed. You knew the game was lost after that series. Not picking up 1 yard when you have 1st and 10 at their 30. Inexcusable!! But honestly, I didn't think we would win this game anyway. Frankly. I'd be surprised if we finished 8-8. 7-9 is more like it.

Again, I cannot see how anyone misses Freddie's pure GENIUS. You guys need to pay more attention to what is going on. Seriously. LMAO

66, you could put baker in whatever position you want, but when d linemen are in his face before he turns around it will not help. J.J. watt is their #1 pass rusher. If there is a player on defense our o line must account for it is him. Yet I saw on at least two occasions watt reach baker untouched by a blocker. That is not how our coaches drew it up guaranteed.

It does seem like baker is way less accurate than last year. Not sure why. Our defense let second stringers have their way with us. Our defense has way underperformed from expectations. Blaming our play calling for this disappointing season just does not cut it.

Did you ever notice how we double teamed their best pass rusher? Had a RB chip him? A TE stay in to block him to the inside or make him take a wider route around the outside? No - neither did I. I did see us continue to call plays that called for medium to deep routes that take time to develop.

These are excuses.

The Steelers were starting a 3rd string QB without any semblance of talented skill players and a backup center. They found a way to win. Why didn't the Browns?

I’m here too ... for years we’ve lamented having backup type talent playing against the Steelers All Pro teams ... now it’s flipped and they still beat us. Losers.

Don't think we get those last 2 wins against the Bungles. They at least played with a little emotion today.

We played like we are just running out the string.

We started out well, Duck took the shot on the deep ball when he had a free play and connected.. everything changed. It's the same old story, they started moving the ball on us, punched us in the mouth.. and we had no response.

Tackling was trash. Williams and Ward were both horrible in coverage. We got exactly zero pass rush on most plays.

McCray looked like the only player on the field who was playing in 6" of mud... good lord is he slow.

Offense was working well, running, short passes.. even the broadcasters said, we were playing to win a low scoring game... then when their O started to move the ball, we changed nothing.. our offense was literally non-existent from our touchdown until the 4th quarter.. no flow, no rhythm.. nothing.

It was disappointing to say the least..

Kitchens said after the game "we were ready to play".. yea, well we weren't ready to win... this was supposed to be a game of high emotion to prove we are the team that beat them handily in Cleveland.. and we showed no life.

I like Freddie but I think this game will go a long way to sealing his fate..

There d’s a wee bit better than ours ... not that, that matters ...

C ya’all in a few days ... someone needs to be lynched for this and Freddie makes himself a big ole target ...

Ya’all can enjoy your misery and bash Freddie party together ... c ya ...

Seriously? This is where the “Let’s Goooooo!” Is going now? Blaming injuries or key players not playing as an excuse? Against a team as injury riddled as the Steelers?

The Browns are a huge disappointment. You know damn well it goes beyond a waiver wire dude at LT. That’s hilarious.

And how do you stop a pass rush? You run the ball and we have probably the best 1,2 combo in the nfl. And if you have to pass you make sure to give those OTs help. And if you only need 5 yards you don't have all your WRs running routes 20 yds downfield.

All you can say is we bash Freddie and he's a target. You have not pinpointed one thing that Freddie did well today, or how he had the team preparted, or helped to put his players in position to succeed.

The offensive line is bad, we get that. So just keep calling pass plays with empty backfields while continuing to block TJ Watt 1 on 1 with Hubbard? Slow that pass rush down and uhhhhh manbye like call a run play or two?

This was probably the best thing you've posted.

I like your angle here. I don't necessarily say excuses, but we are a young team led by a young HC. I like to think we have the right people in place but we still lack a simple plan.

We can disagree on Baker, but if Baker was in Baltimore and we had Lamar, there's no doubt in my mind that Baker would flourish and Lamar would be struggling here.

I'm not sure we have the right GM or the right coach, or the right owner for that matter. We do, however, 100% have the right quarterback.

Winning is something we need to learn to do.

We sent some pretty bad players onto the field today, brought to you by a guy who once insisted we need to get "real" players. Hopefully the 3rd year is when he finally addresses this issue.

Owner is trash.

GM is fine, I think. Still has some credit left in the bank but has made some serious withdrawals.

Coach is trash.

QB is meh. He's not a winner bro. Sorry. Your best bet with Baker is to build the team up. He can't carry a team. That's unfortunate considering he was the number one overall pick. The evidence going back to Oklahoma UGA continues to mount.

But make no mistake. Leadership starts at the top and we are doomed as long as Haslam is the owner. Either commit to analytics or don't but the owner created a Dorsey vs. Depo situation and all that mattered to Dorsey was getting his way. And this is the result. It all starts with Haslam.

I disagree. Hubbard looked like he was in 6" of mud as well

I’ll agree w/both of you .. Hubbard and McCray were less than bad

Yawn !!! Beer tasted good

The Browns coaching staff and players job is to win games.

They suck at their job.

At least we now have "real players" losing games.



LOL

See, this is where Kitchens is completely incompotent.

1. This should be a running team first and foremost. The fact that Kitchens still can't to that is a firable offense alone.

2. Let's say you have injuries on O-line or your QB doesn't have that much time to throw because of the blitz. Depending on the QB, I'd throw it 30 yards deep and take my chances one-on-one but the majority of the time I'd throw a quick slant, maybe a screen pass or draw play might be appropriate.

If you know for a fact that your o-line can't block well, don't call plays that take a long time to develop. That goes for the run or the pass. No sweeps, no pitch plays. Run it straight ahead in I formation, which Kitchens doesn't know how that works.

3. The plays being called are garbage. Where are the play actions, the bootlegs, the rollout, power run formations. The wishbone that Freddie ran successfully last year? Where?

4. What does Monken do? Still not sure. Either way the whole playbook needs to be scrapped in my opinion.

5. Where is the team FB and why don't we have anyone playing that position? Pisses me off.