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The offer expired when he went shopping. Bad move on our part, but that's what happened. Schwartz' agent came back wanting the expired deal. We should have agreed to it. We didn't, bad move on our part again.

Both sides lost.

Schwartz agent gambled and lost. We got all puffy-chested and lost.

Schwartz didn't lose. Guy is playing for one of the best franchises in the NFL with a transcendent QB and an annual trip to the playoffs.

Schwartz very much won.

j/c

I'm not a fan of the way the Schwartz thing went down. Had he have returned trying to squeeze us for more money then my opinion may be different. But that's not what happened. You see, then Schwartz would have been trying to negotiate something. Instead he was willing to accept what the Browns had offered him.

I'm not sure why some people think it's a bad thing when someone who has a skill set tests out the market to see what he can get for his skills. They are worthy of getting what the market will bear.

I have never been one who believes that the world of business should hold all the cards. I've never ever allowed someone to use an ultimatum against me and would never side with someone who tries to use such leverage against me. In such a case I would be happy to accept a little less to work elsewhere.

To say both sides lost is technically accurate, but (imo) also kinda misleading (and I'm not saying that to get on yours or anyone's case). This is kinda part of the reason why I blame our FO.

Yes, Schwartz missed out on an extra million or two... maybe. He still got a lucrative contract on a team that clearly knows what it's doing. He should get paid again before his career is over.

We are STILL looking for his replacement.

So to say both sides lost just doesn't feel correct.

Schwartz was signed in March of 2016. Mahomes was drafted in 2017...he didn't play a down until the end of the year in 2017.

If it's all about the $$$ with professional athletes, then Schwartz most-absolutely lost.

ummm, the Chiefs were in the playoffs in 15, 16, 17 and 18. . . . he absolutely won, as he left here to play with one of the best coaches in NFL. And guess what, hell get a heck a lot more after his last contract blocking for Mahommes than he will if he had stayed here.

You are suggesting that he may be better-off there than here...and team-ability wise I would agree with that...but that's not what we are discussing. He lost a TON of money in that deal and he cannot ever get that back. Period.

There is no value in debating whether his next contract would be greater there than here. None. There is no way to know that.

We lost too. We should have acquiesced and didn't. Bad decision.

There is no value in debating whether his next contract would be greater there than here. None. There is no way to know that.

Or you could say he's still playing for a ton of money while we still don't have a real answer at RT.

Come on now, pitt. No one in the league has ever taken a discount to play for a playoff team. That's nonsense.

Chiefs, RT Mitchell Schwartz agree to 1-year contract extension

The Chiefs have agreed to terms with right tackle Mitchell Schwartz on a contract extension that will keep him in Kansas City through the 2021 season.

According to Schwartz’s agent, Mike McCartney of Priority Sports, the deal is for one year.

Schwartz joined the Chiefs during the 2016 season, signing a five-year deal worth $33 million. Since arriving in Kansas City, Schwartz has consistently been one of the best players along the offensive line. His original contract has often been viewed as a bargain and this one-year extension likely seeks to reward Schwartz for his great play.

During the 2018 season, Schwartz extended his consecutive snap streak above 7,000. He also received recognition from Pro Football Focus as the NFL’s most outstanding offensive lineman for the 2018 NFL season. Schwartz has been available and extremely consistent during his time with the Chiefs.

Schwartz had two years remaining on his initial deal and a $16 million cap hit in both of those seasons. We don’t yet have the exact details of the extension for Schwartz, but it will be interesting to see what the Chiefs do with those first two years. It’s possible Brett Veach decided to dip into Kansas City’s 2019 cap space in order to free up some room in the future.

We’ll update you as soon as we know more details about the extension.

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/...ract-extension/

I don't know. If I'm going to be rich either way, winning may mean more than a little more money.

It looks like he got rewarded for his deal in KC. It appears that winning is paying off now.

What Schwartz' agent did had zero to do with taking a discount to play for a playoff team. If that were the case, he would have just signed with KC rather than coming back to Cleveland for the expired offer.

He LOST million(s) of dollars that he cannot ever get back...we do not have time travel.

Than why did his agent come back looking for the expired offer? Why didn't he just stay in KC?

The answer: $$$

He looked at KC because his brother played there, and begged him to at least look at a winning team. His (at the time) fiancee was from Cleveland, and wanted him to stay in Cleveland, until Brown screwed with him.

Bear in mind that he returned to take the Browns deal on the 1st day or so of free agency .... or maybe even during the legal tampering period. It wasn't a week or more into the process.

You may wish to look at RT pay across the league. Even with his new extension, Shwartz is the sixth highest RT in average pay over the length of his contract.

What does that have to do with the debate about the fact that both sides lost in that non-deal/debacle?

Did you intend to click/quote me? I'm not in disagreement with anything you posted there.

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I remember how so many people were bashing Schwartz for the majority of his time after Heckert drafted him.

To see this debate now...... warms me heart.

Not this guy! I was elated when we selected him and saddened to see him leave...

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I remember how so many people were bashing Schwartz for the majority of his time after Heckert drafted him.

To see this debate now...... warms me heart.

It sure wasn't me.

Schwartz was signed in March of 2016. Mahomes was drafted in 2017...he didn't play a down until the end of the year in 2017.

If it's all about the $$$ with professional athletes, then Schwartz most-absolutely lost.

Brown didn't screw with him, Sashi made his best offer to Schwartz's agent to keep Schwartz from testing the Free Agent waters and the agent was told that if they did then the offer would be pulled, the agent then set up a meeting with KC and when the agent found out that KC's money was less then what Sashi offered he tried to come back to the Browns and Sashi did exactly what he said and told the agent that original offer was no longer in play.

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I remember how so many people were bashing Schwartz for the majority of his time after Heckert drafted him.

To see this debate now...... warms me heart.

Dumb response.

Look, it's not my fault that you either can't understand what I'm saying or are all butt-hurt because I've destroyed your argument. Sorry, that's on YOU.

You're such a homer it's hard to take you seriously sometimes.

Please see above response. Making it personal proves your defeat.

It's always everyone else's fault except the Browns organization and Baker.

At least four times in this derailed thread I have stated that the Browns messed this up and unnecessarily made themselves a loser in the deal...and TWICE in this very quoted-post by you. I bolded it above to help you understand.

Baker must be your hero.

No...he's not. But you are most-certainly a Baker-hater. In any event, what's that got to do with BOTH Schwartz and the Browns losing out on the Schwartz non-deal? Deflect and derail when you've been beaten in a debate is not very becoming.

If history repeats itself...as is often said...we would have paid him more on his newest deal because we valued him at a higher number than did his current team the last time we were in competition for his services. We did it then, reasonable to say we'd do it again.

I guess we don’t need DE’s?
No Myles.
No Smith.
Vernon’s on a bum knee.