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With all this talk about drafting Line help and nothing but LINE in the draft next year...what about the RB spot? do u guys think we could go after a RB in the FA this offseason? just throwing some names out..or do we go after someone like RAY RICE in the later rounds?

Turner the burner frm SD...i believe he is on the market this offseason...he has had some good games when he has filled in for LT....any other names?

Ruben isn't done yet...but he certainly is not the answer for us down the road...we need someone with speed who can play!


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Turner would be perfect for us IMO. He was a 5th rounder, so I think that's what we can get him for because if they offer him the highest tender(1st and 3rd I think) they have to pay him big money to come back.

As for Rice..he's a sophomore so he's not eligible for the draft.


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Ray Rice is a sophomore and can't come out. Michael Turner is a restricted free agent so we would have to give up picks to get him. I'm guessing the Chargers will put a high tender on him, so it will probably take our 1st round pick to get Turner, which is too much. Maybe we can get him if they sign him and then we can trade for him after that, but who knows. It would still take quite a bit.

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Michael Turner is an Unrestricted Free Agent...the Browns wouldn't have to give up picks to get him. I read on a Jets message board that they plan to go after him pretty hard. Can someone post the list of FA running backs for me? I would appreciate it.

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your wrong he is restricted.

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The Chargers aren't going to just let him walk, and have been reported as stating they intend to put a high tender on him. In essence, it'll take a high draft pick as well as a high contract to get him.[/color]


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I have a general question for anyone who knows how the RFA process works. If they put a high tender on him, doesn't it mean that they will sign him for a high contract because esentially what they are saying this guy is a round 1 caliber player so shouldn't he get paid as one?


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Thanks for setting me straight...here is a list of the FA running backs this year

Player Type 2006Team
Brown, Chris UFA Titans
Brown, Dee UFA Chiefs
Buckhalter, Correll UFA Eagles
Cason, Aveion UFA Lions
Davenport, Najeh UFA Steelers
Davis, Stephen UFA Rams
Dayne, Ron UFA Texans
Echemandu, Adimchinobe RFA Raiders
Eckel, Kyle ERFA Dolphins
Fisher, Tony UFA Rams
Gado, Samkon ERFA Texans
Green, Ahman UFA Packers
Green, DeJuan ERFA Raiders
Harris, Arlen UFA Lions
Harris, Kay-Jay ERFA Rams
Herron, Noah ERFA Packers
Hicks, Maurice RFA 49ers
Lee, ReShard RFA Raiders
Mahe, Reno UFA Eagles
McIntyre, Corey ERFA Saints
Minor, Travis UFA Dolphins
Morris, Sammy UFA Dolphins
Mungro, James UFA Colts
Perry, Chris RFA Bengals
Pinner, Artose RFA Vikings
Rhodes, Dominic UFA Colts
Robinson, Roger ERFA Cardinals
Ross, Cory ERFA Ravens
Scobey, Josh UFA Seahawks
Shipp, Marcel UFA Cardinals
Smith, Musa UFA Ravens
Thomas, Anthony UFA Bills
Toefield , LaBrandon UFA Jaguars
Turner, Michael RFA Chargers
Wallace, Butchie ERFA Falcons
Ward, Derrick RFA Giants
Watson, Kenny UFA Bengals
Whitehead, Terrence ERFA Bengals
Williams, Shaud RFA Bills

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Not really, no. The actual long term contract value is completely separate from the tender process, and in no way related except that the player's agent might use it as a bargaining chip of sorts ("Hey, you tendered this, so you think he's worth this much per year").

There are no guarantees of any kind except the value of the tender itself if the player signs it, and of course the draft pick compensation for the team if another team signs that player and the tendering team chooses to not mach the offer.


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The only player that list, besides Michael Turner, I am interested in is Chris Perry, but he is a RFA too. Maybe the Bengals will put a low tender on him and we won't have to give up a high pick. Wishful thinking, but you never know. He has good hands and good size, but is on IR right now. Other than that the FA RBs are pretty weak, although Musa Smith might have some potential.

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The only player that list, besides Michael Turner, I am interested in is Chris Perry, but he is a RFA too. Maybe the Bengals will put a low tender on him and we won't have to give up a high pick. Wishful thinking, but you never know. He has good hands and good size, but is on IR right now. Other than that the FA RBs are pretty weak, although Musa Smith might have some potential.

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Thanks, I had been searching for this list. It will help tremendously with one of my keeper leagues next year. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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just clicking....

My feelings on the Rb position is that once we get a good o-line (I know I'm dreaming) then we can draft one. Almost every year there are 1-2 high quality Rb's coming out in the draft and Rb is one of those positions that rely on instincts as much as anything else, so rookie Rb's can come in and contribute right away.

No need to take Peterson this year. With the state of our o-line he will get creamed. Build an O-line then get a Rb. We pass on Peterson this year and next year there is McFadden, pass on him then there will be someone elsethe next year.


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I really think it's not fair to judge either way...i think we need both so it doesn't matter what we get first as long as we plan on getting both...

Which is why i made this thread....if we focus on OL/DL in draft...what about RB? do we just ignore? i don't think we should...i think a new RB like turner would help us just as much if not more...someone who can make plays with speed...


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As for Rice..he's a sophomore so he's not eligible for the draft.
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My bad heh...well then someone else....i don't know any other RBs that might be good low round picks..


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I would love to see Turner in brown and orange next season. I don't know what it's going to take to get him, but I'd give up a third rounder for sure. You're not going to find someone in the third round with experience and skills that he has.

But if something isn't addressed this year, then in '08 we need to find a running back. Droughns isn't what he was last year, and isn't getting any younger.

I also wouldn't hate Chris Brown from that list above. He's shown he can play in this league.


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Forget the draft this year. Next year and the year after will be great runningback drafts....McFadden, Jones,Slaton,Rice,Pittam......draft one of those guys next year or the following.


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To add to my comment, I pulled the following from Great Blue North.

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By Kevin Hornung, GBN Scout and Contributor
December 4, 2006



Some draft classes are better than others. Who can forget the quarterback driven class of 1983 that included John Elway, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Ken O'Brien, and Tony Eason? Some other members of this class were RB Eric Dickerson, CB Darrell Green, and S Joey Browner. Or how about the infamous wide receiver draft in 1996 that included some name receivers like Terry Glenn, Marvin Harrison, Eric Moulds, Eddie Kennison, and Terrell Owens. Even though the 1999 quarterback Draft class didn't work out in the long run for 3 of the 5 teams choosing QB's, it is still the only time that QB's were selected with the top 3 picks with Tim Couch going to Cleveland, Donovan McNabb going to Philly, and Akili Smith going to Cincinnati. Also Cade McNown went to Chicago and Daunte Culpepper went to Minnesota in the top 12 picks. Well get prepared for the RB drafts of '08 and '09. The class of current sophomore running backs are the best ever and will make a lot of playoff hungry teams better over the next 2 years. Sophomore running backs make up 4 out of the top 10 in the country in rushing yards, and makes up 7 of the top 9 totals in touchdowns. Here is how I stack these running backs with height, weight and forty times listed.

1. Darren McFadden (Arkansas)- 6'2" 210 4.4- The complete back. This kid has everything. Great size, breakaway burst, power, a great stiff arm, and can even play QB. McFadden burst onto the scene as a freshman rushing for over 1,100 yards. This year he has shown why he is the best back in college football, including Adrian Peterson. Playing in the defense rich SEC you don't expect a RB to put up numbers that he has. His latest effort of 180 yards against a national top 10 defense in LSU says it all. He can run you over, he can around you, and he can flat out run by you. He can catch the ball coming out of the backfield or he can line up as a WR. His 80 yard TD run against LSU showed that if you give him an inch he will make you pay for it. Needs to work on his blitz pick ups but how many young running backs don't. Lines up as QB in Arkansas' Wildcat offense and runs the option as well as throws the ball. McFadden is a budding star and should be the preseason Heisman front runner going into the '07 season. Before the SEC Championship has 1,486 yards rushing and 14 TD's. Only off field issue was a bar fight where he broke a toe that caused him to miss pretty much the entire season opening debacle against USC. Is a Top 5 talent. Reminds me of Eric Dickerson.

2. Steve Slaton (West Virginia)- 5'10" 190 4.2- I thought Reggie Bush and Deion Sanders were the fastest players I ever saw. Well add Slaton to that list of the fastest players in football. Slaton has legit low 4.3 or high 4.2 speed. If he gets a crease it is six. Was only recruited by a couple schools, Maryland and West Virginia, but has shown in 2 years that he should have been very heavily recruited, and is making all the other schools pay for not recruiting him. Can catch the ball out of the backfield and can run in between the tackles. Some question the competition he has played against, since he's in the Big East, but pop in tape of last year's Sugar Bowl against Georgia and you will see how he handles a good defense. Scored 6 TD's versus Louisville in '05. Best game of this year for him was the Pitt game. Over 200 yards rushing, 130 receiving, and 4 total TD's. Already has 1,621 yards rushing and 303 receiving and 16 total TD's going into the last regular season game against Rutgers. Averaging an amazing 7.3 yards a carry. Has struggled with a wrist injury since the Louisville loss and needs surgery after the year. Will play through pain. Does need to add some bulk. Do not see him as a 25 carry a game back but is threat as a runner, a receiver, and in the NFL will have to be a returner as well. Will be a first round pick. In the mold of a Warrick Dunn or Brian Westbrook.

3. Jonathan Stewart (Oregon) 5'11" 234 4.5- Bruiser with speed. Heavily recruited out of high school. Waited his turn his freshman year as he ran for 188 yards. Looked just as good as Adrian Peterson went he head to head with the RB in their classic September match up. Had 144 yards on 23 carries in that game with a TD. Peterson had 211 yards on 34 carries. He is injury prone, and had some injuries that forced him out of a couple games this year. Very patient runner who sets up his blocks really well. Tough to bring down. Built low to the ground and has great lower body strength. If you tackle him up high he'll run through it, if you go low he'll knock you out with his power. Has 960 yards and 10 TD's this season while missing almost 3 games with various injuries. Will also be a first round pick. Kind of like LenDale White from last season but has more speed.

4. Ray Rice (Rutgers) 5'9" 195 4.5- Small, powerful runner who knows how to keep the chains moving. Is very patient and sets up his blocks very well. Isn't necessarily a home run threat every time he touches the ball, but he rarely goes backward as well. Always a north-south runner and hits the hole very decisively. Has run for a thousand yards in each of his 2 seasons. The first Rutgers back to do that in at least 30 years. Followed last years 1,120 yard season with 1,496 yards so far this year and still has 2 games left with the bowl game. One of the main reasons Rutgers has been the Cinderella story of college football the last 2 years, and why coach Greg Schiano is starting to bring in some great recruiting classes. Teams up with FB Brian Leonard to complete one of the best backfields in all of college football. Finds the end zone. Has 17 TD's already this year. Size is a concern, which is why he may not go until the second round. Not much of a receiver as well, with only 4 receptions so far.. Interesting to see if he will stay all 4 years.

5. James Davis (Clemson)- 5'11" 210 4.4- Strong runner who does have speed to turn a regular play into a big play. Had a good freshman season with 879 yards and 9 TD's which led to him being named ACC Rookie of the Year for 2005. Has 1,134 yards this season with 17 TD's. Has had better games against lower competition but also carved up a good Georgia Tech defense this year. Has injury concerns. Suffered a broken wrist his freshman year and has had lingering shoulder issues this year which has cost him some time. Would have had more consistent numbers if the QB play were better for the Tigers. Teams stack the box against Clemson and this affects Davis' overall production. Also splits time with 2 other good backs in Reggie Merriweather and freshman stud C. J. Spiller. Will not put up huge numbers because of the running back committee and this will hurt his draft stock at first. Will be a second rounder and reminds a little bit of Emmitt Smith.

6. Ian Johnson (Boise St.)- 5'11" 194 4.5- Leads the NCAA with 24 TD's so far this year leading the Broncos to an undefeated regular season. Following up a solid freshman year with an absolute breakout sophomore season, with 1,613 yards and those 24 TD's. Has a good burst that can separate him from safeties and linebackers. Will get hawked down from behind by speedy corners. Excels against big competition. Had a very impressive 5 TD's, and 240 yards, against Oregon St., who keep in mind didn't even give up 5 touchdowns to the entire USC team, beating the Beavers 42-14 in Boise in September. Had a collapsed lung last week that forced to him to miss some time but it does not appear to be anything major. Will be a first day pick and could work his way up to the second round with his play over the next 2 years.

7. Jamaal Charles (Texas) 6'1" 190 4.3- Speed with more speed. Track star who will not be caught if he gets by the defense. Still has to build up some more stamina to be able to carry the load in the NFL. Does have good vision and does have it good playing behind the massive offensive line of Texas, with All-Americans Justin Blalock and Kasey Studdard leading the way. Could be a good west coast offense back with his catching ability. He has 17 receptions this year with limited opportunities. Will run in between the tackles but excels getting outside and running away from everyone. Will be a screen pass nightmare at the next level. Should start to return kicks. This will only help his draft stock. Would be a first day pick now, but I feel he will work his way up to a low first, early second round pick.

8. Brandon Ore (Virginia Tech) 5'11" 207 4.5- Very powerful and explosive runner who punishes tacklers. Has been extremely productive for the Hokies this season. Has 1,095 yards this season and 14 TD's to go with his 14 receptions for 203 yards and one more touchdown. Has injury concerns. Had off-season shoulder surgery this year and has been banged up this year. Will not be a 25 carry-a-game runner at the next level but will be a good change of pace back. Has to work on his blitz pick ups and route running. Does not understand spacing in the secondary as of yet. Would like to see him bulk up a little and add a bit more speed and he could work up into the second round. Is a first day pick however, or early 4th.

9. Felix Jones (Arkansas) 6' 202 4.3- That's right 2 of the best in the same backfield. Combines with Darren McFadden to make up the best running back duo in the country. Is the perfect compliment to McFadden. Lightning fast back who can take any carry to the house. Has good vision and is very decisive on hitting the hole. They run a lot on the outside for him. Rarely goes in between the tackles. Can also catch the ball a bit. He has 961 yards and 4 TD's so far this year with 2 games to go. Imagine what numbers he would have if McFadden was not there, and vice versa. Runs low to the ground. Will be tough for linebackers and safeties to keep up with him coming out of the backfield. Another back I want to see returning kicks. Will really help his draft value as well. Right now he is a third round pick. If he shows the ability to run in between that tackles, and that he can carry a team, he will easily move up to the second.

10. Kevin Smith (Central Florida) 6'1" 210 4.5- Has great size and quickness. Can run over and around you. Followed up his Conference USA Rookie of the Year season in '05 ( had 1,178 yards and 9 TD's) with a solid year with 934 yards and 7TD's. Has not played up against great competition, and his numbers took a hit this year with the disappointing play of the team and the quarterback situation. Has had a bit of fumbilitis, especially by the goal line. Showed he can catch the ball out of the backfield with 23 receptions so far this season. I'm anxious to see how he does next year with a solid foundation returning for the Golden Knights. Projected to be a 3rd or 4th rounder, but he does have a shot to work up to a second rounder with productive junior and senior seasons. Needs to play better against tougher competition. The best news for Smith is that with coach George O'Leary running the offense there it will help him get ready for the pro game.

Here are the best of the rest. All with professional aspirations:

Tyrell Sutton (Northwestern) 5'9" 190 4.6- Burst onto the scene with a phenomenal freshman season with 1,474 yards and 16 TD's earning Big Ten Freshman of the Year. There was only one way to go for him: down. That's just what he did. His production took a big hit this year but most of it was out of his control. With Brett Basenez last season Sutton had a ton of room to run. This year with the offense stalling, and the sudden death of coach Randy Walker, Sutton and the Wildcats fell from the middle of the Big Ten back to the bottom. Still was productive with exactly 1,000 yards but only 5 TD's this season. Very versatile and quick. Can catch the ball out the backfield as evident in his 40 receptions this year. Smart kid who can run in the middle and outside. Does not have blazing speed, so a third down back is possibly out of the question. Second day pick right now, but in that offense he should rack up big numbers the next 2 years.

Andre Brown (North Carolina St.) 6' 232 4.5- Big, powerful runner who is getting better with each passing game. Will breakout next season with the long awaited coaching change with the firing Chuck Amato. Has good vision but does seem to lack confidence and that burst that can propel him into the secondary and passed the safeties. Absolute load to bring down. Rarely brought down by one defender when his game is on. Has a chance to shoot up draft boards over the next 2 years depending on his performance. Watch out for this back in '07.

Marlon Lucky (Nebraska) 6' 210 4.4- One of the most heavily recruited backs out of the class of '05. He has all the talent in the world, and I think he made a mistake going to Nebraska. If Tom Osborne was there maybe, but in my opinion Bill Callahan doesn't the right offense for this back. Good size with speed, which is a great combo. Runs low to the ground which makes linebackers have a tough read on where he going. Hits the hole right away and can definitely run inside the tackles. Shares time with another sophomore running back Cody Glenn. Has 640 yards and 6 TD's this year on only 116 carries. The Cornhuskers have to start giving this kid the ball more. Also is a breakout year waiting to happen. Has the talent to be a first round pick. Have to wait to see if he has the production to warrant that high of an investment. Best days are ahead of him.

Mike Hamilton (Oklahoma St.) 6'1" 215 4.4- Big 12 Newcomer of the Year in '05 as he rushed for 961 yards, but only 1 TD. Has been banged up this season and has only rushed for 546 yards and 4 TD's. Has great size and is a bruiser. Has decent speed, but to me his forty time is faster than what he plays. Very interested to see how he does next season when he is healthy again. Has the tools to be a first day pick and with 2 years left, I feel he will work his way up to that point. I also like the Cowboys to be better than a .500 team next year, like they were this year.

Shannon Woods (Texas Tech) 5'11" 203 4.5- Good young runner who will put up bloated numbers in the run and shoot offense of Mike Leach. Very good receiver out of the backfield and had an amazing 72 receptions for 553 yards and 2 TD's this year. Add that to his 817 yards rushing, on only 133 carries, and 7 more TD's, and you can see he is a very productive back. Is quick more than fast and is a big play threat. Relies to much on the big play. Always tries to hit a home run, rather than always getting the most out of the play. Is a more complete back than Taurean Henderson, the running back the last few years there, and will eclipse his numbers. A fourth round pick right now, but would a good third down back almost immediately.

Javorski Lane (Texas A&M) 5'11" 274 4.7- Absolute bowling ball of a runner. A cornerback nightmare. Has a burst that can get him outside, and will lower his shoulder to punish anyone trying to tackle him. Can't bring down with only one player. Will be an ideal short yardage and goal line back in the NFL. Has an amazing 19 TD's this year on only 159 carries that illustrates just that. Will have carries taken away by him by another stud freshman Mike Goodson, who needs to get the ball more. Reminds me of a Zack Crockett or T.J. Duckett. Will be a very solid late first day, early second day pick. Has the potential to be a poor man's Jerome Bettis.

Brad Lester (Auburn) 5'11" 184 4.5- Very young and productive runner who filled in admirably for Kenny Irons this year when Irons was banged up. Will be the next back in the line at Auburn to rush for 1,000 yards, following Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, and the aforementioned Irons. Has 510 yards and 9 TD's this year on only 104 carries. Has looked better than Irons this season. Quick back with good vision and the speed to break a long run. Has a very solid future ahead of him and will excel in coach Tommy Tuberville's run oriented offense. Needs better play from the quarterback next year to open up the ground game better. Needs to build up more stamina and add some bulk. Will be a first day pick, and reminds a little of Leon Washington, the Florida St. back from last year that is having a good rookie year with the Jets.

Javon Ringer (Michigan St.) 5'9" 202 4.5- Very fast and quick back who has seen his production dwindle this year because of injuries and just the overall team atmosphere and motivation. This was a lame duck team ever since the heartbreaking loss to Notre Dame in September. Decent receiver with 14 catches this year in limited time. Everything fell this year from carries (122 in '05 to 86 in '06), to yards ( 817 in '05 to 497 in '06), and TD's ( 5 in '05 to 1 in '06). Has a chance to put up big numbers next year as the Spartans will be a more run oriented team with the graduation of Drew Stanton and with the hiring of coach Mike Dantonio. Would be a very good third down back at a minimum. Can break a run from anywhere on the field and is built low to the ground so it's tough to tackle him low. High fourth rounder with the potential to move up to the first day.

Larod Stephens-Howling (Pittsburgh) 5'7" 165 4.5- Small runner who has been productive this season. Has 893 yards and 9 TD's this season, that doubles his yardage number from his freshman season. He only had one TD last year so he has grown into a touchdown producer. Will be interesting to see how much room he will have to run next year with the departure of star QB Tyler Palko. Picks a lane quickly and hides behind his blockers well. Just not a very big back and has not shown signs that he could endure the pounding of the NFL game. Has potential to be a good change of pace back. Has 19 receptions for 231 yards this year, so he can catch the ball and get up field. Similar to Michael Turner.

Antoine Smith (Florida St.) 5'9" 188 4.4- Burner who fits the Seminole offense like Warrick Dunn or Rock Preston did in the mid '90's. Will have a huge year next with the graduation of Lorenzo Booker. Has 456 yards rushing with 5TD's in limited game time. Can catch the ball out of the backfield just like Dunn and Preston, with 21 receptions. Can break a run from anywhere on the field and has been the most consistent back on the roster for struggling Seminoles. Averaging 5 yards per carry, and that's behind a pretty pathetic offensive line, and with horrible quarterback play. Should benefit from the firing of Jeff Bowden, who had just as much imagination as Tom Walsh ( Oakland Raiders offensive coordinator). Good third down back that has to regain confidence after a down year for the team, and must get bigger to take more punishment. Will at least double all of his numbers next season. Early second day pick.

Kory Sheets (Purdue) 6' 199 4.5- Quick back with decent size who can catch the ball out the backfield. Plays in a potent offense that will help his numbers over his career. Has 769 yards and 11 TD's this year with the bowl game to go. Also has 27 catches for 201 yards and 2 more TD's. Would like to see him run better inside the tackles. Gets most of his yards outside. Will be a good screen pass receiver in the future. Runs stronger than he looks. Doesn't have breakaway speed but will break a long run from time to time. Must increase his workload to show scouts he could handle an offense. I feel he will get better the next 2 years and will work his way up to a 3rd or 4th round pick.

Other notable sophomore running backs with a chance to work their way up draft boards over the next 2 years: Arian Foster from Tennessee, Wynel Seldon from Wyoming, DeMyron Martin from SMU, Mike Davis from South Carolina, and Toney Baker from North Carolina State.

As you can see there are a plethora of great, good, and solid sophomore running backs that are in college football today. There have times where there have been a lot of running backs in the country, but this is the first time that I can remember 25 running backs in one class that all have professional futures and opportunities. Even though I have Darren McFadden as the number rated back there are about 5 more than could improve and overtake him. Enjoy this group for the next 2 years because you may never see another class like it!


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I have to say, I like Jason Wright. Droughns and he complement each other well. If we build our line a little bit, I see those two guys as a nice little 1-2 punch. Yeah, neither of them will be Tomlinson, but I think they've both shown what they can do.

Get Harrison in there a little, too, and our running game won't be too horrible, IMO.


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I cringe at the idea of a FA runing back. If you want a stud running back, you have to draft one.

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I cringe at the idea of a FA runing back. If you want a stud running back, you have to draft one.

Why? look at portis....stephen davis with carolina frm DC....n i'm sure i'm missin ton other...u really think we can get someone frm the draft thats going to help us more? if so who


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NO way in hell we r set at RB with DRO n Wright....sure they aren't bad...but we need someone who needs to be more than just "not bad"...we need a gamebreaker...we have a good WR core....our QB situation isn't horrid...granted that might be up for debate after this season by some *sigh* we need a RB n OL...IMO


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Awesome list peen....b sweet as hell if we get McFadden...


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I didn't see anyone on that list I'd pay big money to get. Lets just fix the line first. The Cards got E James and that hasn't really helped them because their OL stinks too.

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[quote] Buckhalter, Correll UFA Eagles
Thomas, Anthony UFA Bills [
Toefield , LaBrandon UFA Jaguars /quote]

these 3 people i wouldn't mind taking a look at.

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I cringe at the idea of a FA runing back. If you want a stud running back, you have to draft one.

Why? look at portis....stephen davis with carolina frm DC....n i'm sure i'm missin ton other...u really think we can get someone frm the draft thats going to help us more? if so who

Portis was TRADED from The Browncos, for Champ Bailey. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

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I might add that Botch pissed Clinton Portis off when he didn't draft him. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes_devil.gif" alt="" />

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Echemandu, Adimchinobe RFA Raiders
McIntyre, Corey ERFA Saints


We gotta get those .. errrr .. wait, we already did once. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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I agree Penn... I want to sure up our lines with this year's draft... and if we want a RB then get one next year with a very deep RB class.


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fine....no portis.... <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

But thats why this thread was made....in my opnion turner would be perfect for us....but i don't know if anyone else on that list is really going to be the answer....


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I am not the GM of any NFL team, so clearly, I really don't know what I'm talking about, <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> But to me, it seems that if we work on the Oline this upcoming off season, that maybe our current backs (Wright, Droughns and Harrison) might just be able to accomplish more..

Having said that, I don't believe that any of them are the answer as a stud RB.. so sooner or later, (I prefer later) we are still gonna need to get a good guy and for that, I prefer the draft.


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As a restricted FA, I don't like the thought of giving up draft choices to sign Turner.

San Diego is in pretty good position under the cap. They can resign Turner if they want. However, they may take compensation and trade him.

I believe that the Browns do need to address the RB situation. Droughns is serviceable, but not the long term solution. If not this draft then next.


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I believe that the Browns do need to address the RB situation. Droughns is serviceable, but not the long term solution. If not this draft then next.


Please let it be the next. We have too many bigger problems on both lines that we should address all our higher picks with.


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I wouldn't mind seeing us go after Musa Smith. He is young and seems to be the kind of runner we want in Cleveland. Plus, he would not break the bank and could bring some competition to the position.

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from what I remember phil saying is that he drafts to the stregnth of the draft thus increasing the value of your picks. last year it was LB's this year it's supposed to be OL (from what i remember) and next year it looks to be RB's. I don't see us getting a RB this year but next year I can see us taking a RB without a doubt. Shore up the OL and then get a stud RB. We are in year 2 of 5. Year 3 will be the OL year 4 the RB and year 5 whatever is needed. I think next year will be a year to contend and maybe get a .500 team and the following will be the year that puts us into the mix to really compete with the NFL esp if we draft a stud RB.


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After watching the Cincy/Indy game the value of an OL cannot be understated.

Carson Palmer looked pedistrian....


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I CAN see Harrison being our feature back....behind a better O-line. The reason Harrison (basically) isn't playing is because he can't block and a blocking back behind this O-line is a MUST.

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Offensive and defensive lines have to be the Browns' priorities this coming offseason. To win in the NFL you have to be able to protect your QB. And you have to be able to get to the opponent's QB. You have to run the ball and stop the run. Simply, a team that controls the LOS will most likely emerge as a winner. There are a lot of line positons on both sides of the ball that need to be upgraded significantly. Until that happens, the Browns will be a second tier team.


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<img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

We need William Green back... then we would have a running game!! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

but im hoping we can get Adrian Peterson.. and then pick up a COUPLE linemen in the other rounds..


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