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Ummm...ok...in my last response I quoted you for the context of my post. Not sure what more you want me to do there.

As to the quote above re: swag, you may be spot on about that.

You obviously haven't been reading the board much lately. I've been giving Baker a lot of credit for his being more mature. For him handling himself in front of the media better. For the improvement in his play lately and cutting down on his mistakes on the field.

But I guess in your haste you just jump to the same conclusions you always do.

That anyone who points out when he's having problems must certainly hate him.



No, I think he's been improving as of late in several ways. And I've posted that on this very board. But the first half of this season he was having a lot of problems and I pointed that out as well. It may seem like a strange concept to you, but that's called being objective.

But you just keep doing you tab.

Yeah, I have certainly been frustrated too. You know I'll be keeping an eye on those OT's. We could actually use both a RT and LT.

And the defense does look worse than I'd expected. But sometimes even after feeling that way I look at the scoreboard. The Rams only scored 20. In our loss to the Steelers they only scored 20. And giving only 16 up to the Bills was pretty good.

So while I'm certainly not happy with the D, in those two games where we only gave up 20 points, we should have won those games.

I sure wish to well and send you prayers in regards to your health. There's not nearly as many as of us old timers left on here. Sometimes by design.

Glad to see you posting.

Penei Sewell. He's been outstanding. Pro Football Focus recently named him Pac-12 Player of the Year.

Unfortunately, he's a sophomore and will not be eligible to enter the NFL draft until 2021.

He's definitely a great talent though.

Odel has several things working against him.

1. Too many drops on crucial passes. You know that Baker doesn't trust him nearly as much as Landry.

2. They consistently send him deep even though the o-line barely give Baker 2.5 seconds to throw the ball. That means all those stupid deep routes over 20 yards will never see odel because Baker doesn't have time to even throw to that route.

3. He has a tendency to start games this year a bit slow off the line. It's either a lack of focus or a lack of effort. It might be both.

How do you fix the problems? Very simple. Adjust the playbook to have him run shorter routes than 20 yards so Baker can have all his WRs available to throw to instead defenses ignoring Odel because they know know they will hit Baker faster than he can get the ball to him anyways.

In all but 2 games this year OBJ has averaged less than 10 yards per target. In seven of those games his average yards per target were under seven yards. Perception is one thing but reality is something all together different.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BeckOd00.htm

Obj on a on pace for 1200 yards
Landry 1300
They are on that pace with a second year quarterback
If you want to know how good that is look at joe Montana number.

I never looked at it that way, but it doesn't sound crazy. Maybe he feels pressure to please these guys and it leads to bad judgement. Who knows? Something ain't right is all I know.

odell is poison and showboat

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/12...the-future.html

ABOUT ODELL AND FREDDIE

CLEVELAND – Talking to myself about Odell Beckham Jr. and Freddie Kitchens:

Question: Did you hear how Odell sounds very vague about his future with the Browns.

Answer: Yes.

Q: Yes and what?

A: I’m not a huge Odell fan. But he’s right when he said he doesn’t know “what the future holds tomorrow.” It’s not just about Odell wanting to be with the Browns. The Browns have to decide if Odell is a good fit for them.

Q: Why ask that?

A: Is the problem with Odell being productive because of Freddie’s offense? Because of Baker Mayfield? Will Freddie be back next season? If not, who is the coach?

Q: Lots of questions, right?

A: Exactly. With four games left, I doubt any of those answers are apparent right now. It is obvious Beckham and the offense currently constructed are not made for each other. And the strength of this offense is the running backs. Not only are Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt terrific running the ball, they also can catch it.

Q: Don’t you think Freddie can do a better job getting Odell the ball?

A: Probably. But this should not be an Odell-centered offense, especially with the arrival of Hunt. I don’t care if Freddie is back next season or someone else is in charge of the offense. The Browns also have an excellent receiver in Jarvis Landry, one of my favorite players on the team.

Q: Where are you going with this stream of consciousness rambling?

A: I imagine Odell sees the same things. There’s Hunt. There’s Chubb. There’s Landry. Offensive coordinator Todd Monken answered a question about Odell not getting the ball more by mentioning those three players, then explaining the obvious: “We have only one football.”

Q: You just don’t like Odell.

A: I don’t know what to make of Odell. His physical talent is obvious. His production (only two TD catches) is baffling. To be fair, Odell has sent out a tweet insisting he never said he was unhappy in Cleveland.

Q: Your just tired of the drama.

A: Guilty as charged. Not just Odell... but with so much around this team. The loss to Pittsburgh has inflamed the endless speculation of Freddie’s future. Guys suspended. Every team has its share of drama, but these Browns are a triple-dose.

Q: What do you think Odell meant when he said, “I couldn’t sit here and tell you whether I’m going to be here, want to be here or don’t want to be here.”

A: It means he doesn’t know. Or if he wants out, he’s smart enough not to say it with four games left. But it’s obvious this has been a frustrating season for him. Cleveland.com’s Ellis Williams did a nice film study on Odell’s situation. He made the case the Browns just aren’t looking for him enough on passing plays.

Q: Isn’t Odell under contract for next season?

A: He signed a five-year, $90 million extension in the spring of 2018 with the New York Giants. Most of the $65 million guaranteed has already been paid. Cleveland.com’s Mary Kay Cabot reported only $2.75 million of his $14 million deal in 2020 is guaranteed. That makes him easier to trade... or even cut.

Q: This isn’t the last time we’ll hear about Odell and his feelings about 2020.

A: Very true. There are four games left. Suppose the Browns win them all and Odell sparkles? Or suppose the team stinks? When he said “who knows" about what will happen next year, he’s right about that... him... Freddie... and the Browns.

BUT WHY DOES HE SUCK?!?!?!?

Anyone know who paid that?

IF this is true, I have a question: WHY THE HELL IS HE ON THE FIELD? He's an attention seeking diva AND he isn't at 100%? My Lord this franchise is stupid. SMH

I do believe the Browns are better off in the long run without him. Does what he wants in the off season, demands too much attention on and off the field during the season. Throw in the talk of him running questionable routes and you can pretty much seal it for me. He can go. Get something for him and move on. Browns still have enough weapons going forward.

Our offense, as it is now, can't take advantage of OBJ. But we could make strides in the off-season. Still, I wouldn't argue much if they got rid of him. We better become a ground and pound offense, though. And I don't want to give him away for peanuts, either.

We had Crazy Uncle Billy in our family. He said that talking to yourself wasn't a problem. It was when you started answering yourself that you had to worry.

"Most" is a relative term.

Not exactly sure but as part of his contract he got a $20M signing bonus which I believe NY paid out immediately to Odell but the Giants can break it out in increments annually on their books which looks like $4M over five years. I think we are responsible for the 2019 salary, which was $17M . So it seems like it is almost 50/50 at this point.

Someone else might be able to shed more light on this as it seems like there is some money left unaccounted for when he would only be a cap hit of $2.75M if cut in 2020.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/odell-beckham-jr-14421/

Report: Beckham has told Browns' opponents he wants out
https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1900658

Odell Beckham Jr. has encouraged opposing players and coaches throughout the season to pry him loose from the Cleveland Browns, reports FOX Sports' Jay Glazer.

The Browns acquired Beckham from the New York Giants in March for a first-round pick, third-round pick, and safety Jabrill Peppers in a stunning blockbuster trade.

"I don't see this relationship ending well," said Glazer.

Beckham is struggling to find chemistry with quarterback Baker Mayfield during his first year with the Browns, hauling in just 57 catches on 103 targets for 805 yards and two touchdowns.

The three-time Pro Bowl receiver gave a vague response Thursday when asked if he wants to stick with the Browns next season.

"No one knows what the future holds tomorrow," he said. "I couldn’t tell you what's going to happen."

"In the offseason, everything will figure itself out," he added. "I feel like I've been here before, answering questions about the next team when I'm on a team already. That's just something I'm going to tune out for right now. Catch me in the offseason, and we'll see what happens. I don't know God's plan."

The receiver later clarified his message on Twitter, responding to speculation that he's unhappy in Cleveland.


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Ok😑😑😑... I NEVER said I was not happy in Cleveland, just like everyone else I’m hopeful for better results. Period. Next story plzz 😭 ...

The Browns haven't lived up to the lofty expectations that followed Beckham to northeast Ohio, and they sit out of the playoffs at 5-7 entering Week 14.

Beckham is reportedly expected to undergo offseason surgery for a sports hernia that's contributed to his underwhelming play this year.

The 27-year-old is signed through 2023, but the Browns would only absorb a $2.75-million cap hit if they trade or release him this offseason, according to Spotrac.

Jay Glazer is probably one of the most reliable sources out there. Not good.

Good, trade him. Didn't particularly like the trade in the first place. He's to much of a diva.

Who knows if this rumour is true or not. It won't materialize till February or March so it's hard to say. If it is true and OBJ gets traded the return will not be as much as we have up. We gave up Jabrill Peppers (and quality young player on a rookie contract) and a first round pick for OBJ. I would be shocked if we got more than that in return for him. Talk about a mismanaging assets.

I hope the rumor is not true and OBJ comes back in 2020 healthy and time with the QB under his belt ready to go.

I have noticed that peoples's opinions of Peppers have gone up since he left.

He was "OK" here, and OK in NY. He's nothing special.

Oh yea OBJ had 2 Catches for 39 Yards but I still think he will be fine next season ...

Part of me wants to give it a year of work/study/chemistry ... and the other part wants to just say adios

People's opinion of Pepper went up when coaches finally stopped having him line up 30 yards away from the LOS.

j/c

The way people spread rumors around here like they're facts remind me of a bunch of old ladies after a PTA meeting.

Trade him to Dallas for any 2 of their starting OL...does Jerry say no?

he`s hurt...pass

I wish we did have OBJ. He's a selfish player that only cares about himself and his stats. I think Baker would be more willing to spread the ball more if it wasn't for OBJ.

Watched the game with 3 friends, and a son of 1 of the friends while we skinned, quartered, boned, and processed a deer. Mentioned the 'sports hernia' Odell had. The son asked what a sports hernia was.

My reply was "A hernia you get playing sports."

If we honestly do trade OBJ.
..one scenario does make sense. We trade him to the Jets for SS Jamal Adams and a draft pick in the offseason. Sam Darnold needs weapons, and Jamal Adams is supposedly irate with NY shopping him.

If we could swing that deal I’d do it in a heartbeat, but I don’t think it’d be enough to get Adams