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I didn't think our defense looked good at all. Little to no pressure on Dalton and we struggled to stop Mixon.

The Bengals Hurt Themselves With More Than We Did They Had 8-99 We Had 6-30 Not Use To That

We won, but we should have played better. Baker looks like a middle of the road player, I am not sold on him as a franchise QB.

Freddie needs shot for not running the ball down their throat from the get go.

The defense, just as it has been for decades, after we score, let the other team drive right down the field. It's like clockwork.

Well let's hope Arizona can somehow beat Pittsburgh.

We have won four out of our last five games.

In Chuck Knolls first year as an NFL HC, he had a record of 1-13

In Bill Walsh first year as an NFL HC, he had a record of 2-14

In Jimmy Johnson's first year as an NFL HC he was 1-15.

Our QB hasn't been playing quite up to par and we've still won four out of our last five games with a rookie HC and all I see is doom and gloom.

Could it be the fans as much as anything else?

Tom Landrey was 0-11-1

Baker criticized medical staff after the game for not handling OBJ injury in off season.

LOL

That in no way changes what I posted. I posted NFL HC's who turned out to be great that started off with a terrible record. Much worse than Freddie.

That doesn't in any way indicate that Freddie will ever be great. What it does do is tell you that everyone jumping to conclusions this early in the process have no clue either way.

Of course he did lol

No matter how many times you post that stats,there are still meaningless to the present situation.But,I have learned something that maybe helpful in trivia pursuit.

I imagine those coaches had much much less to work with than freddie...there is no excuse for his ineptitude and failure to adapt

How dare he. I guess another Black Mark against Baker. Tsk tsk.

You don't think that's a bit much and something that should be kept in house?

pit, Bill belichick was 6-10, 7-9 and 7-9 here s first three years with the browns. But it seems to me you are trying to bring rationality to a bunch of irrational folks. Probably won’t work. But thanks for trying.

Of course the other thing to do might be to see what he actually said ... you know, verbatim, as opposed to some click bate that implied Baker said the medical staff should all be fired.

On a milk carton.

No need to be sorry. We are all a little disappointed in how the season has played out.

Yes, we have a playoff hope, but it is so slim it's like saying you have hope to hit a big lotto win.

Now it is just win as many more as we can and look towards next year.

At least we aren't hoping to win a game and not go winless….and this isn't some attempt to bring up Hue or anything like that. I am just saying we have won some games, but should have won several more.

I was one who wanted to hire Williams. He deserves a second shot. When we hired Freddie, I was good with that.

I have to admit I am disappointed in Freddie at this point, but not calling for his removal. That said, if it happens, I won't be upset.

I am. But I never expected it to do any good. I've been around here too long for that.

Just like everyone has been, and some still are, continuing to dog OBJ when come to find out he's had a groin injury and has been toughing it out. Still on target to break a thousand yards even while playing with a painful and nagging injury.

Once the war party forms it's hard to slow down the battle you know will continue.

Our D stunk it up. Lousy prep or scheme, not sure, but they refuse to get off the field. And passes were missed or dropped, not defensed. Lousy level of play. Our typical gold standard for tackling.

I agree with this assessment.

Yep. That's pretty much exactly what I said. Thanks for the validation.

I am not on OBJ, bet he and others didn't work hard enough off season.

Baker came off a long season being drafted, combines, playing a season, then getting married. It cost him.

The guy gained weight, and at his age he shouldn't be gaining weight. That is more a age 32 type deal.

He is looking trimmer now, so I expect good things next year.

It is what it is. We have a rookie head coach, a youg QB who is now seeing what it takes.

I am remaining positive. Lets see what happens the rest of the way and the first 6-8 games next year.

We didn't beat the Bengals today .. the Bengals beat themselves. They pulled a Browns stunt, their running game was working, then with 1st and goal from the 2, they passed the ball for 3 straight plays and went backwards, ended up settling for a field goal.

The Bengals out-rushed the Browns and out-passed The Browns. If not for a couple of debatable penalties, The game could have been very very different. Freddy isn't ready, but he did get lucky today...

I actually agree with you. Like everyone I'm disappointed in how the season has played out thus far. But some of the factors you have mentioned along with new ones I have learned make it more understandable.

Freddie should improve, Baker should improve, getting Myles back will help and OBJ should be healthy next season. All positive signs.

Actually our D had several red zone stands that decided the game. They didn't beat themselves. Our D held them to field goals when it mattered.

I don't feel those red zone stands were the result of good defense, I saw them as the Bengals choking, not the Browns D holding them. Don't get me wrong .. I was glad to see the Bengals choke, but I do not expect that to happen in Cincy ..

19.5 points allowed sense Myles suspension should we shoot him or stone him to death

Unlike you, I have lost confidence in our ability to win, particularly against the better teams. There are multiple reasons for feeling this way, most of which have been previously expressed by others. Make no mistake: I always hope the Browns win. Although it would be great to win our last three games, I believe we finish 0-3, perhaps 1-2 (and if that win came against the Ravens, I would be ecstatic). I really thought we would take command over a visiting 1-11 team, but....no.

Those redzone stands wouldn't be necessary if they could play defense on the rest of the field. Everytime we score the defense gives up a long scoring drive. It's maddening and has been happening for years with every defense we've had.

Instead of answering that way, why not just answer the question?

Freddie's coaching has been a total fiasco.

Not easy to say that being a Bama fan.

We need Rivera, McCarthy, Myer or Lincoln Riley.

- Getting home from the game. Stadium about 2/3 full.

- Browns eek out a win agains a really bad team.

- Good thing Zac Taylor didn't give the ball to Mixon at the goal line.

- Browns struggled to stop Mixon all day. Struggled to cover Boyd as well.

- Watching the Browns two minute offense before the half continues to be painful.

- Bengals ran 72 plays to our 52.

- Time of Possession - Bengals: 34:31, Browns: 25:29. Not good.

- Bengals total yards 451. Browns total yards 333.

- OBJ only 5 targets and 2 catches for 39 yards. Never threw to him and he had single coverage multiple times. He'll ask for a trade. Clearly annoyed with his situation.

- After Baker scored a TD, OBJ noticeably didn't bother going to congratulate him. He's frustrated with his role.

- Denzel gets a pick 6 after an overthrow by Dalton.

- Sheldon Richardson played well.

- Seibert was good.

- The Browns look(ed) like they are going through the motions at this point. Very uninspired football today. The team with more talent won.

- Week 13 and there are more questions than answers.

Brian Cox is playing some good football

Chad Thomas has flashed some too.

Depressing recap Milk.

Depressing season.

Everytime Baker sees Odell is one on one that should be option A. Wonder why it's not.

Agreed

The main problem is that none of the guys you mention are listed as coordinators on either side of the ball during their tenures as head coaches for their respective NFL teams. Kitchens is trying to LEARN how to be a head coach AND call the plays in his FIRST season. I think we can all agree that he has been less than effective in BOTH positions. It is simply TOO much for the guy. The lack of leadership, lack of discipline and continued egotistical (or just being stubborn or flat out incompetent) play calling demonstrates that. His lack of ability to identify his team's strengths and weaknesses on both sides of the ball if further evidence of his lack of overall ability to be an effective head coach when it comes to game planning. His clock management and use of challenges/timeouts are also questionable (on the whole).

For me, it's not just the record. It's whether I believe he can develop into a solid leader and effective game strategist for the Browns. Given his ego (which I identify as one these guys who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room) I say no.

The Browns need a leader of men and a really good football mind to get thru each game. I'm hoping that John Dorsey finds that man in the off season. Freddie Kitchens isn't leading the Browns to any long term success. Again, JMO.

Yep. People just amaze me. "But we just aren't winning good enough!"

Every team has tough wins. Every team has wins they barely eke out. We won a game, and it sounds like we haven't won 1 game yet this year.

(Tho I do wish they would get an extension done for Joe)