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Tell me how o's policy helped America? Was it by putting record number
of Americans on welfare and foodstamps? or by running corperations out of the country with higher taxes and regulations?

Like people aren't on food stamps under Trump. Well except for the kids and families he's booting off... or maybe that's what you are angry about, not enough people going hungry so you might have it just a tiny bit better. As for running companies out, LMAO, seems plenty of companies have shut their doors and moved since Trump was elected. Carrier did it after he said he made a deal with them!

You will believe anything he says though so why should I waste my time attempting to say anything that might open your eyes.

Where are all the new 'big beautiful factories' with great jobs for America that Trump promised? I haven't seen any have you? We were supposed to have tons, remember?

But hey the stock market is up! and for those that have enough money in the market for that to matter, things are good.

It’s amazing how everything is a spin…..Well maybe the job numbers are high but they aren’t good jobs!

Reminds me a lot of the complaints of modern women. There aren’t enough women CEOs! No one complaining about the lack of female construction workers or plumbers….

Poor folk need jobs, it’s better than not having them and low skill workers having jobs is good for those of us fortunate to have good jobs. A company is far more willing to give me a raise when job numbers are great because HR knows it’s going to be a huge pain to replace me. God forbid you give the man some credit for “the greatest jobs numbers of our lives”.


Sure, Trump is a horse’s ass but the amount of time and energy spent in trying to spin literally everything he does as a huge negative is embarrassing. He does so much that deserves the level of scrutiny that he gets that it just makes people look unhinged when they are trying to crush him for something good.

Trump Is Falling Almost 1 Million Jobs Short Vs. Obama

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/...a/#90c36a8caa7c

So Obama ran jobs off while creating all of these jobs? Somebodies BS doesn't add up.

don't bring facts into this...

I'm pretty sure that the only place Dawg Duty may actually see any facts is here.

And you think they make it past his bias filter?

There's a difference though. If you never look anywhere that show you these facts you'll never see them. At least here we can present them and they will see them. It's up to them whether to accept them or not.

91 profitable Fortune 500 companies paid $0 in taxes in 2018 under Trump's tax law

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-tax-law-fortune-500-companies-pay-0-taxes-2018-213157006.html

You mean the tax law congress passed?

I'm just a super, super small business. I know full well if I went and bought new equipment, my taxes would go way, way down. For a couple/few years. I could, if I spent enough, pay zero in taxes. But, I'd be in debt for the new equipment.

The new spending would: cost me money, get me new stuff, AND help to employ the people that work at those jobs.

yes, the law that leadership you voted for passed.

i really dont care about your super small business. the article i posted was about profitable corporations not paying anything in taxes.

complete with charts for those who dont enjoy reading.

The American economy has found its footing after a summer recession scare. But much of the Midwest is still stumbling.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019...pgtype=Homepage

President Trump campaigned in 2016 on a pledge to restore jobs — manufacturing jobs, specifically — to long-struggling Midwestern communities, and he has made the economy a centerpiece of his re-election campaign.

But job growth has slowed sharply this year in Michigan, Pennsylvania and other states that were critical to Mr. Trump’s victory in 2016, as well as in states like Minnesota that he narrowly lost. Hiring in the region has remained sluggish even as it has picked up this fall in much of the rest of the country. Other economic measures show similar weakness.

Job growth has been slow in key states.

Percentage change in total employment, Dec. 2016 to Oct. 2019.
The states are struggling in part because they depend heavily on manufacturing and agriculture, two sectors that have been hit especially hard by Mr. Trump’s trade war. Tariffs have driven up prices for imported parts and materials, and pushed down demand for American goods abroad.

“Apart from agriculture and manufacturing, everything’s going OK,” said Ernie Goss, an economist at Creighton University in Omaha who publishes an economic index that tracks nine states from Minnesota to Arkansas. “Well, in this part of the country that’s not comforting. Those are the two industries we depend on.”

Manufacturing job growth has been declining nationwide . . .

Still, compared with the crisis of the Great Recession — or even the years of more gradual industrial decline that preceded it — the economy in the Midwest remains on relatively solid footing. The unemployment rate is hovering around 4 percent in much of the region and is even lower in some states. Almost every Midwestern state has added jobs in the past year with the exception of Michigan, where the strike at General Motors temporarily knocked some 17,000 workers off payrolls in October. (November data, which should reflect the end of the strike, will be released later this month.)

It isn’t clear how voters will respond to what has been, so far, a mild economic slowdown. Early polls show Mr. Trump leading in the Midwest against several of his prospective Democratic opponents, and his approval ratings have remained largely steady. Patrick Anderson, an economist in East Lansing, Mich., who has studied how the economy affects elections, said he doubted that voters would view the slowdown as a crisis.

“Many of these voters are resistant to the notion that this is a bad time because they have lived through a very bad time,” Mr. Anderson said.

Manufacturing has particularly struggled in counties critical to Mr. Trump’s victory.

Manufacturing jobs in the last year

Percentage change in manufacturing employment, 2d qtr. 2018 to 2d qtr. 2019.·Counties with incomplete data were not included in the analysis.
There is some evidence, however, that the economy is suffering more in places that are particularly important for Mr. Trump’s re-election chances. Job growth has been markedly weaker in Midwestern counties that went from voting for Barack Obama in 2012 to voting for Mr. Trump in 2016 than in the rest of the Midwest or the country as a whole. Manufacturing employment in those counties fell outright in the year ending in June, the most recent data available.

Macomb County, Mich., for example, voted twice for Mr. Obama, but favored Mr. Trump by 48,000 votes — more than his margin in the state as a whole. The county, a suburb of Detroit, fared well economically during the first year and a half of Mr. Trump’s term, adding 7,400 jobs, including 5,600 in manufacturing — making it one of the fastest-growing counties in the country in terms of factory employment.

Since then, however, Macomb’s fortunes have reversed. The county lost nearly 1,400 manufacturing jobs in the 12 months that ended in June and overall job growth had slowed to a crawl. Other counties that swung to Mr. Trump, like Racine County, Wis., and Erie County, Ohio, have seen similar reversals.

The slowdown in those counties may be spreading beyond manufacturing.

Percentage change in employment in each industry, 2d qtr. 2018 to 2d qtr. 2019.
Hiring in the Obama-Trump counties has also been weaker in the transportation and warehousing industry — a possible sign that the effects of the trade war have begun to filter through to the rest of the economy.

“It’s spreading beyond manufacturing to industries that move, ship and store goods,” Ms. Crane said.

The United States and China on Friday announced they had reached an agreement to reduce tariffs in what Mr. Trump described as a “phase one deal” between the countries. Few details were available, and past thaws in trade hostilities have proved short-lived. But even if the deal holds, it will take time for the economic damage done by the tariffs to reverse. Michael Hicks, an economist at Ball State University in Indiana, said that job losses were likely to worsen in the coming months and that it was unlikely that the Midwest could fully recover before the height of the election season next fall.

“By September or October of next year, if you’re campaigning in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, western Pennsylvania or Indiana, you can point clearly to the trade war as a cause of growing economic malaise in those states,” Mr. Hicks said.

MY leadership?

Did it make it through the house and the senate?

Perhaps, instead of looking only at "they didn't pay taxes", you should look at WHY they didn't. And sorry swish, it even happened under O, and every other president in recent history.

Maybe you SHOULD care about the why and how.

Yes, you vote republican. And you voted for trump. It’s your leadership.

And yes, it made it through the gop controlled congress. Again, the leadership you voted for.

And I’ve been whining about rich people not paying taxes back when 40 and I was on the old boards arguing. That was in 2006....which means I was pissed before Obama, during, and after.

Good try though.

Read up on how laws are written, and enacted.

Just like with all the other companies that have gotten away with not paying taxes in the past - it's legal. Your problem is with Trump, when it should be with congress. Today, 2 years ago, 10 years ago.......whenever.

If the President and Congress are not your leadership, who is?

unlike you i dont need anybody to give me homework assignments. i know how laws and written and enacted, because i actually pay attention.

again, NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT BEING ILLEGAL. just like the last time we had this convo. stop using crap arguments that nobody is using to push youre obviously flawed position. but once again, im sure im going to have repeat myself, because youll claim i think its illegal, because youre incapable of paying attention.

my problem is with trump AND that congress. trump absolutely pushed hard for that tax plan and brags about it. the dems are my leadership. trump is president, but he's made it clear he leads his base, to hell with anyone else. funny you wont call out trump over that though. you dont say a damn thing about trump, ever. all you ever do is react to whoever is posting.

like other posters, i wonder if you even have your own independent thoughts, cause i havent seen much evidence that says otherwise. i get on DC about that crap all the time. its always a reaction to what people are saying, not any actual thoughts from your own perspective.

sad.

Ok. I wonder about you once in a while, and others quite often.

But, I love how, when I post facts that can't be refuted, somehow I get accused of not comprehending. I guess when you, and others, have nothing, a decision is made to attack

you just falsely accused me of thinking corporations not paying taxes is illegal, AGAIN.

that aint facts, buddy. thats trump level lies.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meet-the-18-companies-that-paid-no-taxes-over-8-years/

Below are the 18 companies that paid no federal income tax from 2008-2015, according to ITEP. Many of them are in the energy sector.

Pepco Holdings
PG&E Corp.
Wisconsin Energy
NiSource
International Paper
FirstEnergy
Priceline.com
Amos Energy
General Electric
American Electric Power
Ryder System
Duke Energy
NextEra Energy
Xcel Energy
Ameren
CMS Energy
Sempra Energy
Eversource Energy

Here's a nice article. Hope you read it. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-was-just-savvy

Another nice article, from April of 2012. https://www.factcheck.org/2012/04/warren-ge-pays-no-taxes/

and by the way, its 2019 now.

Homebuilder confidence jumps to highest level in 20 years

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/16/homebuilder-confidence-jumps-to-highest-level-in-20-years.html

U.S. Steel to Eliminate 1,545 Michigan Jobs

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/u-steel-eliminate-1-545-124041224.html

Merry Christmas, steel workers.

#winning

But hey, the stock market has never been better. They can take comfort in that, as they look for 3 part-time jobs to (not quite) replace the one they just lost.

From the article:

Could that possibly have anything to do with it? (the bolded part)

Meanwhile, in Delta, Ohio - at Northstar Bluescope they are investing $700,000,000 to expand the plant.

https://www.13abc.com/content/news/Major...ygfvnOVeORPzLB8

Granted, only 90 new jobs.

I wonder if 'being a laggard, with aging plants that aren't efficient" has anything to do with them (u.s. steel) shutting a plant down.

According to Trump they were building six new plants. Of course that was false like so many other things....

No, U.S. Steel is not opening six new mills as Donald Trump said

"U.S. Steel just announced that they are building six new steel mills."

— Donald Trump on Tuesday, July 31st, 2018 in rally in Tampa

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter...s-donald-trump/

However, they did make improvements.

Neat. How does this plant closing have anything to do with trump? Re read my last post

90 jobs, compared to how many lost?

Yang has always been right. Businesses are booming but it’s also them investing into more robots.

The rest of your post didn’t even matter. 90 jobs created is a joke compared to what was lost.

Perhaps US Steel employees should get first crack?

So, you would be in favor of u.s. steel keeping those jobs, in a market where they can't sell the steel due to lack of productivity?

I would be in favor of creating more opportunities that doesn’t require working 2-3 jobs to support a family unit, in fields that actually pay well and doesn’t require a ton of education just to do it.

I would be in favor of people keeping it real about how businesses are “better” under trump. For example, you never talk about stock buybacks which has inflated the stock market tremendously. You never talk about the fact that car manufacturers keep bailing on the American people and opening up even more factories overseas, ya know, THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what trump and the republicans claimed would happen with their policies and the new tax cut.

US steel wants to shut down plants and fire workers, it’s a free country. But I’m tired of bending over backwards to pass policies for crap businesses that won’t hesitate to screw over the American people if given an opportunity.

Again, same issue with trump that Obama had. Most of the job creation is in fields that require a degree, so people are stuck having to fight for BS jobs that pay just enough that you don’t qualify for assistance, but not enough that you can actually work to live, not live to work.

Our current job market is basically indentured servitude.

It kind of sounds like Trump thought U.S. Steel was the industry rather than the name of the specific company. Not that it makes him look much better.

It's simply another prime example of the lies he told. I mean if he were telling the truth and U.S. Steel had built six new, state of the art steel plants like Trump said they were doing, there's no way that "U.S. Steel has been a laggard in the domestic industry, with aging plants that are less efficient than rivals with newer technology."

Wouldn't you say so?

You'll go to any length to cover his ass won't you?

I won't bitch about good paying jobs opening for people even if Trump gets credit.

Effectively calling him an idiot that doesn't know U.S. Steel is the name of a company is covering his ass?

Seems you're too busy "rolling on the floor laughing" like a maniac to use your head and make a cogent argument, but what's new there?

It seems when common sense has escapes you, your answer is to throw shade on others. That isn't going to help your situation.

You're right, trying to talk sense into a partisan zealot is a waste of time. Common sense would dictate that I stop trying to help you.

I actually vote for Republicans sometimes. Or at least I did. At this point, anyone who has backed Trump or stood idly by in silence will never be endorsed with my vote.

My partisanship is against Trump. A man unfit to sit at my dinner table or enter my home, much less sit in the oval office. My partisanship is against those claiming to have and live according to Christian values while endorsing the most immoral, despicable man to ever live in The White House.

You remember don't you? The party of family values? The moral majority? The Christian right?

If you feel claiming you are against the man while making up lame excuses and rationale for his behavior, it's not my partisanship you should be questioning right now. But then when reading your latest post it seems you enjoy employing Trumpian tactics yourself. And you wonder why people question your sincerity.