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Did I really just see a republican house rep say abuse of power isn’t an impeachable offense?
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The handwriting is on the wall with this circus. The Congress will not impeach President Trump.  Next!
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The Pentagon went so far as to conduct its own legal analysis of the holds, determining that they were illegal. A government official confirmed that such an analysis took place. So did several Capitol Hill staffers. They all described the conclusion of that analysis in similar terms. https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-official...-090046566.htmlplease thoroughly read up on why withholding aid was a problem. you clearly still dont get it. A story based on interviews of "anonymous Congressional staffers?" An intern that gets coffee for a junior Democrat? No direct quotes from anyone at the Pentagon mentioning illegality? A generic background info quote from a defense undersecretary to give it a hint of legitimacy, but doesn't speak at all to the claim. At least I present my hypotheticals as such. You present this fluff as facts.
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We're supposed to talk about the content of a rambling bull crap PR stunt letter to prove what exactly ??????
Sorry but the letter is garbage. It doesn't want matter who wrote it, much like it matters not who writes speeches. It has the President's name to it and it's on official White House stationary. And as Swish said, among all the momentous, awful and pathetic things Trump will be remembered for this one will be right up there.
The fact anyone would refer to the letter and in some way people's reaction to it reflects in any way positively for Trump or Republicans is a bad joke. Seriously!!! Now ask me how I really feel !! I never said it reflected well on Trump. Trump is a mess. I was commenting on how the response showed a ridiculous display of partisanship and personal attacks.
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According to Rule XXV of the Senate Rules in Impeachment Trials, all senators must make the following oath: "I solemnly swear [or affirm, as the case may be] that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of [the person being impeached], now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God."
You're right. They've already admitted they will refuse to obey the oath they will take.
Congress will impeach Trump. The senate will not vote to remove him from office. Those are two different things. Look it up.
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Trump shouldn’t had his private lawyer starting smear campaigns to get an ambassador out of her position in order to persuade his own political agenda. He shouldn’t have his private lawyer acting like he works for the state department trying to get Ukraine to investigate his political rival. He shouldn’t had withheld tax payer funded aid in order to get Ukraine to announce a public investigation into his political rival.
You don’t think all of us want to be focused on policy? You think you’re some special snowflake that knows better than others?
The president doesn’t engage in this behavior and we wouldn’t be here. Hell, trump could’ve been a MAN, apologize to the American people and atleast gave some crap excuse why he thought it was fine but realized otherwise. Very few people would’ve believed him, but it would’ve completely handicapped the Dems in any sort of impeachment proceeding, and indeed made it about 2020.
Did he do that? No. He just double down and blamed everyone else, like he always does. The buck does NOT stop with the president. You keep claiming you don’t like trump, yet seem to hold him responsible for absolutely nothing, just like his supporters do. The same people constantly talking about accountability and taking responsibility for their actions all of a sudden don’t believe that when it comes to trump.
The constitution doesn’t give two craps about upcomig elections when it comes to wrongdoing by elected officials, or ANYBODY for that matter. I don’t care if the election was 2 months away. He president engaged in criminal behavior and must be held accountable.
And if you don’t support that, then just admit you think the president is above the law, and quit playing this both sides nonsense. It’s gotten old real quick. I'm not playing both sides. I'm playing neither. I think they all are less than worthless. If it had been Biden asking the Ukrainian's to investigate Trump, the sides would have been reversed. In fact Biden did use his political influence to squash an investigation overseas, no? There may be a difference in degree. It just all seems a bit hypocritical. The way you are saying things, politicians should be allowed to get away with whatever criminal actions they want overseas, the president has to look the other way. A non-politician, no problem, investigate away. Did the aid package actually come up during the investigation request? Or was it an unrelated missile deal as indicated in the recently linked article? The facts are being twisted and contorted so many different directions from both sides it's all starting to sound like lies. I actually am both a special snowflake in my unique person, and entirely normal because of that fact. I just refuse to put on blinders because I don't like a guy. Using awful practices to get rid of a bad guy make it easier to use awful practices to get rid of a decent guy later. The whirling pool of awful swampness is how we ended up with Trump in the first place. Shady practices attract shady people.
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If it had been Biden asking the Ukrainian's to investigate Trump, the sides would have been reversed. In fact Biden did use his political influence to squash an investigation overseas, no? There may be a difference in degree. It just all seems a bit hypocritical. If you wish to engage in WHATABOUTISM, making a new thread is better than polluting an existing thread with soviet style propaganda.
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If it had been Biden asking the Ukrainian's to investigate Trump, the sides would have been reversed. In fact Biden did use his political influence to squash an investigation overseas, no? There may be a difference in degree. It just all seems a bit hypocritical. No - Joe Biden did not use his political influence to squash an investigation overseas. The fact that you deflect and obfuscate the impeachment of Trump with these Right Wing / Trump deflections is just sad. If you haven't yet learnt the truth about Joe Biden and Ukraine and the prosecutor who was removed .... me explaining it isn't going to help you so I will save my breath. Listening to the radio driving home from the airport - it was really sad to hear GOP after GOP talk about failed process and overturning "63 million votes" - even talking about how there was no crime because funds were (eventually) delivered ..... ignoring simple facts. Sickening.
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According to Rule XXV of the Senate Rules in Impeachment Trials, all senators must make the following oath: "I solemnly swear [or affirm, as the case may be] that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of [the person being impeached], now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws: So help me God."
You're right. They've already admitted they will refuse to obey the oath they will take.
Congress will impeach Trump. The senate will not vote to remove him from office. Those are two different things. Look it up. They will follow the oath to the letter as they expose the Lack of Evidence to impeach. The Congress will not impeach the President, there is no evidence to do so.
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The Congress will not impeach the President, there is no evidence to do so. For someone who claims they know American government so well, you sure suck at impeachment proceedings... Due process comes at the trial, and it seems Moscow Mitch ain't willing to give due process. He will refuse to call witnesses who could actually exonerate Trump. Also, The House of Representatives is the branch responsible for impeachment. They will most likely vote to impeach. It's up to the Senate to decide if they convict.
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Pay attention now, I do not hate so I am once again willing to teach...
The United States Congress is the bicameral legislature of the federal government of the United States, and consists of two chambers: the House of Representatives and the Senate. ... Congress has 535 voting members: 435 representatives and 100 senators.
The Democrats have been calling for impeachment since before the President was sworn in. The House Democrats will vote to impeach and the grownups in the Senate, finding no evidence, only hate, will throw it out.
Therefore the Congress will not impeach the President.
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The Democrats have been calling for impeachment since before the President was sworn in. The House Democrats will vote to impeach and the grownups in the Senate, finding no evidence, only hate, will throw it out.
Your lies and misinformation are getting old. 1. There have been a few crazy Dems calling for impeachment. Just like there was a bunch of crazy Republicans that called for Obama to be impeached all the way through his two terms ..... just like it would be a lie to claim the GOP wanted to impeach Obama for 8 years - it's a lie to say "the Dems have been calling for impeachment" ... 2. There is evidence. Lots of it. First hand and direct. Saying there isn't is repeating a lie your false idol fake propaganda. A lot like spygate and all that other B.S that just got shot down and exposed. Repeating your lie don't change a dang thing.
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Congratulations on your silent coup d'e-tat!
The Senate is poised to kick this out.
Enjoy the moment. Your moment has almost past.
Trump will win in a Landslide thanks to this!
Kiss the House goodbye!!
See ya around sweethearts...
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The Congress will not impeach the President, there is no evidence to do so. For someone who claims they know American government so well, you sure suck at impeachment proceedings... Due process comes at the trial, and it seems Moscow Mitch ain't willing to give due process. He will refuse to call witnesses who could actually exonerate Trump.
Also, The House of Representatives is the branch responsible for impeachment. They will most likely vote to impeach. It's up to the Senate to decide if they convict. That's because while they *might* exonerate him - they will in all eventually confirm the other first hand testimonies of those already under oath.
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If it had been Biden asking the Ukrainian's to investigate Trump, the sides would have been reversed. In fact Biden did use his political influence to squash an investigation overseas, no? There may be a difference in degree. It just all seems a bit hypocritical. If you wish to engage in WHATABOUTISM, making a new thread is better than polluting an existing thread with soviet style propaganda. I'm sorry that you are offended by a person exercising their first amendment right and asking questions. If you're allowed to ask questions there, maybe the Soviets are not so bad  I thought Soviet Style propaganda relied more on night raids and shooting their own soldiers in the backs. Maybe some shouting and name-calling thrown in. Some mention of the motherland. If you want a thread filled only with people who agree with you, you should open a word processing program and enjoy some alone time.
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If it had been Biden asking the Ukrainian's to investigate Trump, the sides would have been reversed. In fact Biden did use his political influence to squash an investigation overseas, no? There may be a difference in degree. It just all seems a bit hypocritical. No - Joe Biden did not use his political influence to squash an investigation overseas. The fact that you deflect and obfuscate the impeachment of Trump with these Right Wing / Trump deflections is just sad. If you haven't yet learnt the truth about Joe Biden and Ukraine and the prosecutor who was removed .... me explaining it isn't going to help you so I will save my breath. Listening to the radio driving home from the airport - it was really sad to hear GOP after GOP talk about failed process and overturning "63 million votes" - even talking about how there was no crime because funds were (eventually) delivered ..... ignoring simple facts. Sickening. Video of Joe Biden literally saying he threatened to withhold a billion dollars if a prosecutor wasn't fired. Link
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Dammit, don't you know that's just "Joe being Joe"?
Don't you realize it is just fine for the dem vp to demand, with the threat of withholding a billion dollars, a country do as he says and fire a duly elected individual?
I still laugh at this vid. It's joe attempting to show how "tough" he is, just like when he told his wife to fire tow blasts out of the balcony if someone was trying to break in to his exclusive home.
Joe is full of more crap than most septic tanks.
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The fact that you and bull are still pushing debunked nonsense despite the FACTS being explained to you over and over again is quite telling, as well as pathetic.
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The fact that you and bull are still pushing debunked nonsense despite the FACTS being explained to you over and over again is quite telling, as well as pathetic. It's an actual video of Joe talking. It's not some game of telephone 4 people removed, later recapped in print with everyone attributed anonymously. The words are coming out of the horse's mouth.
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The fact you ignore the fact is quite telling. Thanks for the laugh. I mean, it's right there, ON video.
But, no, Biden wasn't trying to save his sons ass.
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Do you two clueless posters know WHY he wanted the prosecutor fired?
Here’s a hint, the EU did too, and republicans even signed a statement that echoed those positions.
Again, it’s been talked about over and over. This crap is hilarious. Can’t wait for your responses.
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You two are proof, by the way, on how many people in this country won’t change their positions despite evidence constantly being shown to them.
Sad stuff.
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If it had been Biden asking the Ukrainian's to investigate Trump, the sides would have been reversed. In fact Biden did use his political influence to squash an investigation overseas, no? There may be a difference in degree. It just all seems a bit hypocritical. If you wish to engage in WHATABOUTISM, making a new thread is better than polluting an existing thread with soviet style propaganda. I'm sorry that you are offended by a person exercising their first amendment right and asking questions. If you're allowed to ask questions there, maybe the Soviets are not so bad I thought Soviet Style propaganda relied more on night raids and shooting their own soldiers in the backs. Maybe some shouting and name-calling thrown in. Some mention of the motherland. If you want a thread filled only with people who agree with you, you should open a word processing program and enjoy some alone time. I love amendements. I just wish discourse around here was better than WHATABOUTS or "just asking questions" You're engaging in another bad rhetoric strategy by "just asking questions". Here's more information for you. "Just Asking Questions" rhetoric ---------------------- To you and everyone else, The facts are this. All of you would rather discuss something else than the actual crime. Want to discuss Biden? Go for it! Make another thread about it. If he did something dumb, he should get in trouble. However, this thread is about impeachment. This is being discussed because someone who has the office of president wanted to investigate his potential challengers, and he wanted to use a foreign channel to do so. In order to guarantee this investigation, he withheld financial assistance. The current discourse here from the other side is "whatabout due process!", "whatabout JOE!?" "WHATABOUT HILLARY", and other stuff. No one here has yet disproven that Trump withheld financial assistance from Ukraine over some feelings he has towards Biden. This is an impeachable offense, and the house will impeach him. Then we will see a sham trial with Americans in the highest office caring more about elecatbility, keeping a bankrupt social view in power, and showing absolutely disregard from 99% of Americans. Now if you want to go participate in nonsensical rhetoric, be my guest. I'd hope you would be better than the other side. Glad to know you are okay with treasonous acts. https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/just-asking-questions-creation-edition/
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Come on arch and bull. Chop chop shouldn’t take this long.
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If it had been Biden asking the Ukrainian's to investigate Trump, the sides would have been reversed. In fact Biden did use his political influence to squash an investigation overseas, no? There may be a difference in degree. It just all seems a bit hypocritical. No - Joe Biden did not use his political influence to squash an investigation overseas. The fact that you deflect and obfuscate the impeachment of Trump with these Right Wing / Trump deflections is just sad. If you haven't yet learnt the truth about Joe Biden and Ukraine and the prosecutor who was removed .... me explaining it isn't going to help you so I will save my breath. Listening to the radio driving home from the airport - it was really sad to hear GOP after GOP talk about failed process and overturning "63 million votes" - even talking about how there was no crime because funds were (eventually) delivered ..... ignoring simple facts. Sickening. Video of Joe Biden literally saying he threatened to withhold a billion dollars if a prosecutor wasn't fired. Link That does not answer the issue in any way shape or form. I'm wasting my time here but just for the hell of it: Biden was carrying out OFFICIAL USA POLICY. It was the SAME POLICY THAT OUR EU PARTNERS HAD. The prosecutor they wanted removing was NOT INVESTIGATING CORRUPTION ENOUGH .... as opposed to investigating Biden or the company he worked for. Those are all FACTS. But carry on being a Trump puppet as you wish - despite your claims to the contrary - all you do is parrot his talking points and his deflections. Congrats.
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No one here has yet disproven that Trump withheld financial assistance from Ukraine over some feelings he has towards Biden.
No one has proven that he did. And isn't innocent until proven guilty the entire basis of our justice system? Does double jeopardy apply to impeachment? (The specific charges, not in general) The evidence seems thin. I don't doubt that he did something illegal. I haven't seen it proven, though. I've seen lots of hearsay and innuendo. I've read about "suggestions." Since they are taking the shot, they better not miss. Hopefully there is more hard evidence that they are holding in reserve or just not releasing to the public.
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You have not seen it proven because you choose to peddle in Trump's lies and you choose not to see them. It's very simple.
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You have not seen it proven because you choose to peddle in Trump's lies and you choose not to see them. It's very simple. You see what you want to see. I want to see an ironclad case, but I don't. It might be enough, but it might not.
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I don't see what I want to see - I see what is there in black and white. It's factual. It's been reinforced and repeated by many people under oath. All of them more plausible and credible than the ramblings and victim claiming of Trump and Giuliani.
You posted in a different post you were "sort of getting on board with this impeachment thing" .... which is a poor position or a poor choice of words. The facts are the facts. You make a choice on what you believe .... if your eyes aren't actually open to it, if you prefer to believe half truths and spin and the undermining/attacks that the POTUS has tried to initiate --- then you can't be for impeachment. It's like being pregnant - you wither know/believe the evidence 100% and therefore you are for impeachment. If you don't - you absolutely can't "sort of be for it" ....
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Trump just got impeached in the house.
Alternative fact for trump supporters: trump finally won the popular vote.
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They actually are trying to get even more evidence to prove it to you, yet the White House has been uncooperative. Moscow Mitch is preventing further evidence from being shown for the senate trial.
Face it, Bull. There’s obstruction artists abound in the GOP and they’re preventing you from seeing the evidence you desire.
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Swish,
God Bless you but you know the folks you want to hear from are too stooopid to come back with any logical arguement. It will just be drivel that they have been fed from fox new opinion pieces.
It's actually a sad day. An American President has been impeached due due to asking a foreign gov to spy ( investigate) a political rival's son for political gain. Then held up foreign money that was already appropriated by congress for personal gain. That is just freakin sad!!
Here in the US, we have an American President that solicited spying from a Foreign gov and his OWN Whitehouse staff that work with foreign govts knew he had gone too far and told it. The President of the US, who we know launders money for Russia, blows through the Emoluments Clauses, most of his staff could not even get background clearances the legit way,
his held to a LOWER STANDARD that most workers in the Govt. Especially those with clearances.
I'm just shaking my head and him and those that support his actions. Trump went too far and everyone knows it. Maybe instead of American flags, we should give those folks who support Trump a Russian flag on call them comrades!!
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I know bro.
The only entity that won today was the US constitution, but make no mistake: this blows. Yet again, we have a president so corrupt he gets impeached. And the crap trump did makes Nixon look like a choir boy.
He probably won’t get removed from office. They will acquit him in the senate because the majority has no backbone, but it won’t matter. This is.....really sad times.
Trump supporters will blame everybody and they momma, but won’t dare look at the guy they voted for and ask “why put yourself in this position to begin with”?
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They actually are trying to get even more evidence to prove it to you, yet the White House has been uncooperative. Moscow Mitch is preventing further evidence from being shown for the senate trial.
Face it, Bull. There’s obstruction artists abound in the GOP and they’re preventing you from seeing the evidence you desire. "Obstruction" artists abound all over. As you say, there are many in the GOP. They are good at getting away with it. That's what worries me. If I can see potential loopholes for dirtbags to slip through, I imagine the professionals see more.
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EXTORTION: Nancy Pelosi Threatens to Withhold Impeachment Articles from Senate Republicans Matt Vespa | | Dec 18, 2019 10:15 PM EXTORTION: Nancy Pelosi Threatens to Withhold Impeachment Articles from Senate Republicans Well, the final vote in the House of Representatives was not a shocker. House Democrats' lust to impeach President Trump on some shoddy quid pro quo allegation over military aid to Ukraine passed after nearly 12 hours of debate. As Katie wrote, the vote was 229-198-1. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI), a 2020 Democratic candidate, voted present, while Reps. Jeff Van Drew (D-NJ) and Collin Peterson (D-MN) voted with Republicans against this witch-hunt. Today was truly a clown show, with scores of Democrats trying to make the case that Trump is an existential threat to the United States. There was a lot of hot air. The evidence against Trump is the very definition of weak sauce. It’s so thin and so nakedly partisan that swing-state voters are sour on impeachment. This move by Democrats has increased the president’s popularity. It hasn’t moved the needle. In fact, the approval numbers for impeachment are now underwater. It has done the exact opposite of what Democrats had hoped, and this could be one massive in-kind contribution to the 2020 Trump campaign. Maybe within the leadership, they know this too, but they’re at the point of no return. They promised their base impeachment and it very well could allow Trump to cruise to re-election. Knowing that the Republican Senate will dispense of their so-called evidence for impeachment, Speaker Nancy Pelosi has threatened to withhold transmitting the articles to the upper chamber. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has already rejected Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer’s (D-NY) parameters for the trial. McConnell slapped them down, along with cutting through the nonsense about his role in this Democrat-manufactured fantasy. He’s not going to be impartial. “I'm not an impartial juror. This is a political process. There's not anything judicial about it,” he said on Tuesday. Knowing these articles face certain death with Senate Republicans, Pelosi and House Democrats now appear to be engaging in political extortion. Just watch. This is all about Senate Republicans rejecting Democratic calls for witnesses. That’s not how this works, lady. You folks, the House Democrats, decided what’s impeachable. The Senate holds a trial based on your work. And your work is total and complete nonsense. “We’ll decide what that dynamic is,” Pelosi told reporters after the vote. Politico has more: Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned the House may not immediately transmit articles of impeachment to the Senate out of concerns Republicans won't conduct impartial proceedings at a trial. Pelosi refused to commit to any timeline for sending the articles, which is required to begin the impeachment trial. "So far, we haven't seen anything that looks fair to us," Pelosi told reporters shortly after the House approved two articles of impeachment against Trump. "But right now, the president is impeached." Well, that’s not your call, Nancy. Your party is not the majority in the senate. We’re the majority. And we’re going to end this clown show. The longer you hang onto this the more popular Trump becomes and the more key swing states Democrats need to win in 2020 fall further out of reach. So, please, keep playing this game. Oh, and removing Trump from office requires 67 Senators. This just isn’t in the works. The irony is thick. Democrats think Trump is dangerous and must be removed because he abuses his power, and we have Democrats abusing their power to try and get Trump removed from the Oval Office, possibly sending us into a constitutional crisis with these games. To save the Constitution, we have to destroy the Constitution. We have to shred parts and go around others. That’s quite the formula there for salvation, though one that could only come from the mind of a historically illiterate and petulant Democrat. They’re just giving us this election. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/...licans-n2558266
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What a joke the Democrats are. 3 long years and they are going to put their impeachment in their back pocket, because they know the Senate will laugh it out of court.  Can't wait for the 2020 beat-down, Republican majorities in the House and Senate, and a few more conservative judges on the Supreme Court!
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Pay attention now, I do not hate so I am once again willing to teach...
The United States Congress is the bicameral legislature of the federal government of the United States, and consists of two chambers: the House of Representatives and the Senate. ... Congress has 535 voting members: 435 representatives and 100 senators.
The Democrats have been calling for impeachment since before the President was sworn in. The House Democrats will vote to impeach and the grownups in the Senate, finding no evidence, only hate, will throw it out.
Therefore the Congress will not impeach the President. The House of Representatives has the sole power of impeachment, the Senate is for the subsequent trial for the removal from office... Congress is a term that means the collective body of the House and Senate... it does not apply. President Trump was impeached today by the House of Representatives. That is a fact. Onto the Senate for the trial. I would have failed civics and history if you were the teacher.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!…. That did not age well.
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I would have failed civics and history if you were the teacher.
That's about all you didn't fail.
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There is no such thing as “Attempted extortion” or “Attempted election meddling “ or ‘“Attempted bribery” trump and Rudy got caught. Nobody is above the law. But nice try Jr. you did hit most the false narratives the GOPers laid out in their grandstanding yesterday.
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EXTORTION: Nancy Pelosi Threatens to Withhold Impeachment Articles from Senate Republicans Matt Vespa | | Dec 18, 2019 10:15 PM EXTORTION: Nancy Pelosi Threatens to Withhold Impeachment Articles from Senate Republicans Well, the final vote in the House of Representatives was not a shocker. House Democrats' lust to impeach President Trump on some shoddy quid pro quo allegation over military aid to Ukraine passed after nearly 12 hours of debate. As Katie wrote, the vote was 229-198-1. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI), a 2020 Democratic candidate, voted present, while Reps. Jeff Van Drew (D-NJ) and Collin Peterson (D-MN) voted with Republicans against this witch-hunt. Today was truly a clown show, with scores of Democrats trying to make the case that Trump is an existential threat to the United States. There was a lot of hot air. The evidence against Trump is the very definition of weak sauce. It’s so thin and so nakedly partisan that swing-state voters are sour on impeachment. This move by Democrats has increased the president’s popularity. It hasn’t moved the needle. In fact, the approval numbers for impeachment are now underwater. It has done the exact opposite of what Democrats had hoped, and this could be one massive in-kind contribution to the 2020 Trump campaign. Maybe within the leadership, they know this too, but they’re at the point of no return. They promised their base impeachment and it very well could allow Trump to cruise to re-election. Knowing that the Republican Senate will dispense of their so-called evidence for impeachment, Speaker Nancy Pelosi has threatened to withhold transmitting the articles to the upper chamber. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has already rejected Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer’s (D-NY) parameters for the trial. McConnell slapped them down, along with cutting through the nonsense about his role in this Democrat-manufactured fantasy. He’s not going to be impartial. “I'm not an impartial juror. This is a political process. There's not anything judicial about it,” he said on Tuesday. Knowing these articles face certain death with Senate Republicans, Pelosi and House Democrats now appear to be engaging in political extortion. Just watch. This is all about Senate Republicans rejecting Democratic calls for witnesses. That’s not how this works, lady. You folks, the House Democrats, decided what’s impeachable. The Senate holds a trial based on your work. And your work is total and complete nonsense. “We’ll decide what that dynamic is,” Pelosi told reporters after the vote. Politico has more: Speaker Nancy Pelosi warned the House may not immediately transmit articles of impeachment to the Senate out of concerns Republicans won't conduct impartial proceedings at a trial. Pelosi refused to commit to any timeline for sending the articles, which is required to begin the impeachment trial. "So far, we haven't seen anything that looks fair to us," Pelosi told reporters shortly after the House approved two articles of impeachment against Trump. "But right now, the president is impeached." Well, that’s not your call, Nancy. Your party is not the majority in the senate. We’re the majority. And we’re going to end this clown show. The longer you hang onto this the more popular Trump becomes and the more key swing states Democrats need to win in 2020 fall further out of reach. So, please, keep playing this game. Oh, and removing Trump from office requires 67 Senators. This just isn’t in the works. The irony is thick. Democrats think Trump is dangerous and must be removed because he abuses his power, and we have Democrats abusing their power to try and get Trump removed from the Oval Office, possibly sending us into a constitutional crisis with these games. To save the Constitution, we have to destroy the Constitution. We have to shred parts and go around others. That’s quite the formula there for salvation, though one that could only come from the mind of a historically illiterate and petulant Democrat. They’re just giving us this election. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/...licans-n2558266 House Democrats impeached the President and know what they did to get it done. It was staged. The Democrats no longer control the narrative. They now fear the other side finally having their say and the truth coming out. The Senate simply has to consider the evidence, dismiss the hearsay, then decide impeachment on the facts.
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