DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum A Look at the Roster Part II

I'd love to see us double-dip at the LT position this off-season. Burn our high pick (if the talent is there) AND spend a little in FA. I really think finding someone that can legitimately unseat Robinson from the LT position will do wonders for our offense. Not easy to find the next good LT, but if we can do that, I have a MUCH higher confidence the RT and RG positions will sort themselves out organically. Robinson should lock down the RT position, and a combination of young talent getting healthy and a year of experience/conditioning should help find someone for RG.

I'm unsure what Dorsey wants to do with the FS position. Randall seems to be jerk-holing his way out of Berea, but we don't have anyone that can step in behind him. Even with him regressing this year, those are still some big shoes to fill. Wilkes has done a masterful job with a patchwork (at times), but that's not something you can lean on long-term. Honestly, I think Dorsey and team swallows their pride and gives Randall the dough. I would hope it's a short-term deal so we can frantically start developing people behind him. We're not the Ravens, we don't have high-performing vets at positions of need literally fall into our laps.

I think FA is somewhere we should go for TE help. We need a solid-if-unspectacular, all-around good TE. An unsung hero type of guy. Someone who can block well and catch a few passes. I will get really annoyed if we bring in any more "all hands, can't block" types. Get a guy that can also line up the in the backfield and lay a hit. 2 well-selected guys to come in and push some of the people we have now will do wonders.

Dorsey wanted his man, Demetrius (waste). I'd give anything for a quality pass catching TE who can block (ie. Kittle) or even a TE who can read zone defense and sit down in the soft spots to give our QB a nice option ala Ertz, Kelce, Andrews, etc.

Our TEs suck - can't catch and can't run good routes.

We agree on Dorsey. There doesn't appear to be much of a plan.

Something that always bothers me about the Browns, and this goes beyond just Dorsey, is that we always seem to get rid of good players for no apparent reason, as if a team of just good players is a bad thing.

Not only was Fells good last year, he had chemistry with Baker. Harris was a risk reward guy but not a known in terms of what you will be getting. We jettison the known commodity who is a good piece for a pipe dream. At some point you have to recognize it's ok just to be good especially when the fit and chemistry is there.

We need adults running this organization desperately (and owning it).

Dorsey's win/loss has taken some hits coming out of this off-season, no doubt. But to say he doesn't have a plan seems to be a bit much.

His plan in the post-Zietler era was that high draft pick who's name I don't even remember anymore that we traded for peanuts. It failed, but it was a plan.

The overall TE position was a questionable move (roster-wise) but also made sense with the offense we tried to get going at the beginning of the season. I'm not sure I put that on Dorsey. Seems to jive with what his HC wanted.

He's signed Tretter this season. It's worrisome that there doesn't appear to be any movement on the Schobert front, but that could very easily change. I would hope he sees the importance of not further depleting an already weak position group.

We neglected the TE position - and no once can say "well Njoku got hurt" because honestly, he hadn't lived up to his draft status yet, and is a inconsistent.

We neglected to improve our OL - we did nothing to improve the OL, and frankly its been a disaster. I don't wanna hear any crap about "PFF rankings" watch a dang game! The line stinks.

Dorsey has overvalued the WR position. Ray Farmer undervalued it. Can we just meet in the middle? lol

This offseason, guys were saying "we have no weaknesses", well, we have plenty. OL, TE, S, LB, and general Depth across the roster.

we have many needs to fill, can JD fill them without the draft capital he was given to start with? Because, he surely gave up a lot of it on some trades.

While I understand what you mean, I just want to point out that this is NEVER actually the case for any player, ever.

Once a player is gone, we don't hand over any more checks to them. They may count against our cap afterwards, but that money was already paid up front and that paycheck was long since cashed. It's just an accounting game, not actual money getting paid after they leave.

For some reason the link isn't posting, but on ESPN there's an article about the most/least appealing coaching destinations. From reading that article, it appears there are a couple teams that will be cutting loose some talent. Atlanta is in cap hell, and may be letting go starter quality offensive linemen and/or TE. Cowboys might not be able to pay one of their safeties.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-senior-season/

Someone else would know better if this is the guy or not, but a top rated tackle that can the starting spot from Robinson would do wonders for this line.

still we wonder why Dorsey let go DT D Lawrence right before the Pittsburgh game (away) and then the following week, let go DE Chris Smith. outside of Chad Thomas , or DL has not gotten any pass rush since Myles got suspended and our Run defense has gotten alot worse. also like to Blame Dorsey on waiving LT Greg Robinson prior to the season started, then bringing him back at lower pay. That had to piss Robinson off as he played really well the last 8 games of last year.

for all the good we though Dorsey did this off season, it has turned out not looking good at all the moves that has been made.

the trade of Zietler for Vernon has been a huge bust.
still jury still out on the OBJ for 1st rd draft pick/ Jabrill Peppers.

Dorsey brought back Robinson on the same deal, but minus the weight requirements. That made Robinson's bonuses more attainable.

Yeah, but we didn't give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!

The Japanese bombed pearl harbor.

For anyone who doesn't know, ^ this line is a reference to a line from a movie, "Stripes" by Bill Murray when trying to inspire cadets to finish basic training without their drill seargeant,
(IF i recall correctly)

Just wanted to clear that up, And DON'T call me Francis

(maybe it was a line from Ghostbusters)

Pretty sure it was in animal house after Dean Wermer told the Deltas they had been on double secret probation.

You talk about how all the bad posts about non football or football posts pushed good football posters leaving the board...

This is the worse I have ever seen... To mock Pearl Harbor..Shame on you...Shame the hell out of you... Americans lost their lives for this country...

Shame on you ... you disrespected people who gave their lives for this country...you piece of [censored]

That is a line from Animal House.

It's a classic.

Yeah as really Animal House was quite a movie but has been a while since I saw it.
But really it was the Japan of course that bombed Pearl Harbor

But in all seriousness, Browns had so much promise in 2019. Just really hope they can find their chemistry and winning games.

He didn't get it and went off the deep end. lol

The way Baker is been sailing passes, no catching TE would last long..

And honestly a team that has Landry, OBJ,Chubb and Hunt to be complaining about the lack of TE's...

What we lacked the most was a viable backup QB... not a TE... that's where Dorsey failed.

OK. Those same passes were caught last year by Fells, Devalve, and Charles - but you keep hating.

A viable backup QB - yeah that's the ticket.

You know he makes some pretty good points. Then he goes there with the back up QB idea and loses me.

If we had signed a viable Backup QB we would be in the playoffs...

Baker was more important than the season, but don't sugar coat it. If Baker had been benched and given the team to Chubb,we would be in the playoffs. That or sign a QB that could beat Pitt, Arizona and Denver playing with rookie QB's...

I don't dislike Baker, I actually at the time stated that we should protect him by benching him. What we did was not the best, neither for baker nor for the team.

The kid is rattled and needs to calm down, and he won't do it by shying away and refuse to take risks to win games.

Why, would that backup QB know how to set an edge and fill gaps in the run game properly?

The team wouldn't have given up on Kitchens and Baker... you know..

oh, so you're wanting to get a new backup QB as a cheerleader?

Gotcha. That makes sense....

Baker has improved in the second half of the season and is throwing for 60% completions. Has he been ideal this year? No, certainly not.

But when you draft a kid #1 overall, you stand behind him. That's just how it's done. What you are suggesting flies in the face of how the NFL works.

Actually, IMHO that was the worst thing, because he improved not because he got better, but because he was protecting himself.

That's why he should have been benched, and we should have given the team to Chubb and got a QB that would put the ball in the hands of the playmakers.

Yes, when your season is on the line you throw to OBJ and Landry...

We already went through this with Couch and Frye...

except, when you throw to OBJ he drops it

When? What I saw was Baker throwing to the defenders... not OBJ dropping the ball.

Are you really comparing Baker to OBJ? Seriously?

Also if he throws to OBJ and OBJ fails, then that is smart playing. You throw to your best receiver, that's what Eli did and he got a ring...

Some numbers to support Baker's improvement in the second half of the season....

OBJ has been injured throughout the entire season and it has had an impact on his performance. You can't just take mitigating circumstances out of the discussion and pretend it has validity.

Here are more numbers...

https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1206986942245683200

Eli Manning won Super bowls in the 2007 and 2011 seasons, throwing to receivers like David Tyree and Mario Manningham. Those were tough, disciplined teams with an old-school coach in Tom Coughlin.

They had an effective downfield passing offense and a relentless pass rush on defense. I'm thinking of players like Strahan/Tuck/Osi and Tuck/Osi/Pierre-Paul.

Beckham was drafted in 2014 and they've had 1 winning season since. Not saying that's all on OBJ of course. Their recent drought really has more to do with sticking with Eli for too long and hiring Pat Shurmur (of all the possible retread hires, why him??) as head coach.

Even they got tired of OBJ's antics though which is why he was available in the first place. The headaches outweighed the production, which is about what we've gotten so far as well.

edit: I forgot about Plaxico Burress on the Giants 2007 Super Bowl team. My memory is so bad that it feels like I'm shooting myself in the leg.

Landry and OBJ have played a combined 12 seasons and have a combined 2 winning seasons between them.

I'm certainly glad they were the QB and played defense.

There's only so much a receiver can do. They don't coach or pick the other 52 players on the roster, obviously.

That said, receivers do seem to have an outsized effect on the culture of a team. There are some interesting characters that play the position and they can cause the quarterback and coach a lot of grief.

Rule #1 of team building should be, you will not win a Super Bowl with a diva wide receiver on the active roster.

That is a remarkable stat.

I already TOLD YOU once, that OBJ was NOT ON THE SB Giants team. At least get your facts right before the GARBAGE you spew.

NY Giants SB winners 2012

This is NOT OBJ.




This is NOT OBJ.

So, OBJ didn't catch a single pass in that Superbowl? No wonder they got rid of him.

Well .... considering they went the Super Bowl 3 years before OBJ arrived in NY ......