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Anybody notice that when we run on the goal line the Oline is moving sideways when the play starts? I don't get it.

Kitchens is going to cost Chubb the rushing title

I was a much bigger fan of Phil Simms as a player than as a talking head - but this point about the nonsense and distractions coming from within is one more reason i want McCarthy or Rivera as the HC. Experience with enough authority to prevent the self destruction and drama.

Post Game thoughts? . . . I think Lamar Jackson might be Tony Romo's illegitimate love child. He clearly loves Lamar just a little too much when ordinary plays get worshiped and praised to the highest.

Sterling effort for 28 minutes on D. But we had no answer at all once they cut loose and opened up their Offense. I think part of that was they were vanilla (saving plays for post season I believe) until they realized they might not win without opening up some.

On O - Baker was pretty decent for the first half. I think as the game went on the play calling leaned more towards passing and it was as if we'd used our best pass plays vs the blitz up. Some accuracy issues but we didn't lose because of Baker. Chubb was neutralized and as usual we deserted the run too easily. . . . was annoyed with Romo (again) this time chastising Baker for the trow to Hilliard where Hilliard took the big hit. BM was under pressure pretty swiftly, he looked over at his check down option that was open and running flat towards the sideline. Impossible for Baker to check to see whose out there potentially ready to tackle Hilliard before he makes the throw, that idea/statement from Romo was dumb.

Oh well - Baltimore is ascending and we are still bumping along still trying to figure out what direction we are going to go. At least I have Lamar in both my FF finals and he scored enough points to keep me in one, and win the other.

Yes! I pointed out how much we move laterally inside the 10 too

On Romo's criticism of Baker on the throw to Hilliard...what on earth would Tony Romo, a Pro Bowl caliber QB for many years, know about making those throws? He clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.

So all Pro Bowl caliber players speak truth when on TV, all the time, every take?

Got it.

It does. I was thinking they are running zone and they're getting burned as the Ravens fill gaps.

Bad call, bad play design. . . .

McCarthy isn't coming here, not unless Dorsey is no longer part of the Browns.

The Browns reach out to McCarthy last year wanting to hire him, and Dorsey insisted on McCarthy keeping kitchens as OC, and McCarthy declined the job because of it.

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...hens-127627640/

https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/status/1083072080046968833

Highly doubtful Riveria will come here either, not unless Dorsey is not here. Dorsey won't hire a guy like Rivera who he could lose a power struggle with like he did Reid. Riveria has a winning record as a HC in the league, held the Carolina job for 10 years, has a Super Bowl appearance. This means Rivera has clout, lots of it, which means, push comes to shove Haslam will listen to Rivera...which means Dorsey could be pushed out...won't happen unless Haslam is already planning on canning Dorsey.

I also don't think Urban Meyer will come here either. Not as long as Dorsey is here. You need to look at this from the outside looking in.Coaches are a tight knit fraternity. Don't think other coaches were not watching when Dorsey traded Hyde away in 2018 because Jackson wouldn't play his draft pick and the HC found out about it on ESPN that night. Urban isn't stupid, and that stuff won't fly with him. Even though Dorsey was right about Chubb, no way Meyer will put up with that kinda backstabbing BS undermining. Urban Meyer will want input on roster and the draft, the guy is good(infact probably better than Dorsey) at identifying good football talent from the college ranks. Dorsey won't go for that.

Simply put, McCarthy, Riveria, and Urban Meyer are not coming here unless Dorsey is out of the picture. If Haslam decides to retain Dorsey, we will have an NFL coordinator/Assistant as our next head coach not named Josh McDaniels.

Why would he lie?

80% chance Kitchens is fired at end of season!

Maybe Dorsey is humbled a bit by his failure with Junior Samples?

Hey I know you blame Baker for everything including the way the D plays. That's up to you. If you have a take and want to disagree on whether Baker needs to be omnipotent, go ahead spell it out. Knock yourself out.

- Up at the game today, crowd chanting, "Chubb! Chubb! Chubb!" again to remind Freddie Chubb is the best RB in the NFL.

- The 3rd down plays calls, especially the one to Hunt, were hysterically vintage Kitchens play calls. Failed miserably.

- The Raven -10 was an obvious and easy Christmas bonus.

- Crowd was in it for awhile until the Ravens decided to actually try in this game.

- Seibert misses another extra point.

- OBJ finally got a TD. Also drew a PI on a pass to the end zone.

- Denzel had a nice stick on a TE.


Sadly, the Browns and fans alike, enjoyed the traditional Christmas beat down at home. Same old Browns.

- The Ravens clinching home field advantage throughout the playoffs in Cleveland was fitting for this season.

In other words, you have no answer.

BS - you are such a hater, it is not funny. He made perfect pass after perfect pass and you know what he got for it. Nada, nunca, niente. Dropped pass after dropped pass.

So tired of your spiel. From Harris, to Ratley, to OBJ (great play by Peters). He put the ball on the money. D lost this game plain and simple. 8 minutes of hell betweem EO 2nd amd beginning of 3rd. See randall and company. Don't cover their main receiving threat. Gee...

ahh yes, the idiots yelling Chubb, Chubb, Chubb. Beatiful. You what that did, made everyone in the stadium including the Ravens knew what was coming. what did we get for that - 5 yards. Brilliant. Perfect opportunity to PA pass, but no, run it straight it into their D twice. Brilliant...

Even fans have adopted the loser mentality that is the Cleveland Browns. Mediocrity is defined as a success, unlimited patience is tolerated/expected and losing is always excused away.

Essentially, it's the mental antithesis of successful organizations.

Bingo !

J/c

Wasn’t Randall talking earlier this week about how really good he is? Chump needs to take a hike.

We have no real downfield threat so let’s tell Njoku to stay home. Smh

I turned the game off after our first series of the second half. I was 50/50 about wasting time to watch it to begin with. At this point i could care less about next week.

Your contention is the Ravens were only prepared for Chubb to run the ball because the fans were chanting his name? I wonder how they have run off 11 straight wins then?

People keep complaining we don't use Chubb enough, then we do and it was stupid to do so....

It is when everybody and the their brother knows it is coming.

Lindley.

I and I am sure Baker is missing Zampese.

My answer was my first post which was my take.

You on the other hand have pretty much nada - other than trying to create discord. If you disagree with my take - have at it. . . . but that's not what you are doing.

I really can't fathom why anyone would still want Kitchens around at this point.

I would say it's a forgone conclusion that he's out.

So who is our next guy? I would hope for river boat Ron, he's a proven winner. I think he could do some positive things for this roster. I'm sure I'll be laughed at, but give me a proven guy.

Secured our 12th losing season in a row.... factory of sadness...

The only one who said that was the fat guy. Everybody else was just quoting him.

I found a way to give them the appropriate amount of time/attention. We played our last holiday joint this afternoon at 4 PM. I found other stuff to do while the game recorded, then went to work. Came home to dinner (shrimp creole) and speed-watched the game (think: NFL Replay). It's great- I can shut Tony Romo down like an MVP, back the tape up for important plays, etc... and see the game start to finish in about 90 min.

My playback has some nuance, as well. At points when the game tightens up and gets interesting, I'll let the tape roll. Get a real-time feel play to play. Case in point: the last 2 min of the first half. That's when I watched the Browns hand BAL a win. Those offensive play calls when all we needed was a first down.... well, they were just that: offensive.

This Keystone Kops season can't be over soon enough for me. I was always one of the fans with tempered expectations from the start, but I had no idea this team would look so sloppy, undisciplined and amateur. That's what has me football-numb like every other December Sunday. It's been a wholotta ugly with not nearly enough pretty to keep me interested.

They can have 90 min of my time. They can't have my entire afternoon. They refuse to earn it. That's their fault, not mine. I do my job when they do theirs. Give/get. That's how this works.

All Saints Catholic Church is a modern, arched ceiling greatroom with super echo-y boomy acoustics. The crowd is always a bit more raucous than others, and the gig is freewheeling because it's the last one before holiday break. Always a good time, after a long slog (25 concerts in 25 days/over 1K road miles). Last piece is always 'Sleigh Ride.' Everyone has a hat/set of antlers/prop of some sort that we slap on just before the encore. I have a pair of Bootsy Collins-type shades shaped like Christmas trees... and yes, they blink. And you know that horse laugh at the end of the piece- the one that's played by the first trumpet? At All Saints, it sounds like a zoo. One of our horns can do a great elephant, I do a great cow, our 2nd oboe can sound like a startled duck... it's a blast. And- All Saints also feeds you well at intermission. Great way to close out the first half of the season.

I'll send you the Creole recipe. You will volunteer money out of sheer gratitude.

So you see- my day was pretty damn good, pretty damn full. The Browns were the least important part of a positive productive day. Perspective has its perks.

Here's where we played today. Imagine temp flooring turning the alter area into one single level.

Maybe because Kitchens, as Head Coach, is the 1st coach in a long, long time to beat every team in the division in the same season.

It sometimes takes a new head coach a little while to settle in. Sometimes pieces that looked like good hires around him just don't work, and the staff needs to be adjusted. Sometimes position groups just don't work at all. (OL, TE, etc)

People act like this team established that they were supposed to contend for the Super Bowl last year. It's obvious that they were not. The team had a much harder schedule last year, and played hard enough to beat a couple of playoff teams, and a team that was in the #6 position until the end of this week. We will have played 7 games against playoff teams, in total .. plus 2 against the Steelers .... and 1 against the Rams.

People freak out .... but I hope we don't go dumping yet another 1st year head coach because of them.

None of the other coaches got to face a steeler team missing every one of their offensive weapons and a bungle team picking first in the draft. If FK showed any sign at all that he can improve with some staff adjustments, I'd be there with you. He kept making the same mistakes over and over. It seems like he's incredibly stubborn and won't face the fact that some things aren't working...and his pressers bear that out. I don't want to see him back here next year.

because this staff has managed to put a worse record than a team with hue jackson and an interim coach did with more talent then they had

Lol. Blaming the fans for a failed play call is so Cleveland.

Chubb wasn't even in the game when the fans were chanting 'Chubb'.

It's the fans fault. I'm in tears!

Yes, I'm sure Harbaugh was thinking, "they're going to pass here, oh wait, the fans are chanting Chubb, we better watch out for him now."

Holy smokes is that mindless.

I guess we now know how all those coaches and players who said we were predictable were able to predict ! Lol

What's mindless, is running the ball right into the line when there are 10 men lined up defending the run at goal line.

Chubb ran the ball on back to back plays after the first down and lost 5 yards, and yes the fans were chanting for him throughout the whole series.

Probably because enough people would rather watch Nick Chubb get the ball literally every play so at the very least they had something consistently worth rooting for.

If only Landry and OBJ were on the field for that play call on 3rd down when the crowd was calling for Chubb.

Maybe it wouldn't have been so obvious we were running the ball.


Who would want their best 2 wide receivers (both pro bowlers) on the field during a critical point in the game?

Not Freddie that's for sure.

Maybe he is getting the bighead cause he is in so many commercials. Needs to focus on his job first.

I don't think it is going to take another loss, so lets win the game. Freddie can't manage a football game and team from a coaching standpoint. Another win or loss isn't going to change that.

Maybe next week OBJ can do his chin wave thing again. I won't miss this crap.